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joec32033
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7/7/2006  10:09 AM
Posted by McK1:

Frye was slow at 243. opposing penetrators eyes opened wide seeing he is now 260.

The upside to this is that now Frye's game may be better suited next to Curry if he is gaining wait to be a banger and may help his rebounding numbers.

However, I think the one definite is Frye will never see any playing time at SF.
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7/7/2006  10:14 AM
frye's game is better suited for center. at pf, he will get abused as that is an elite position in the nba. he tries hard but his real advantage will be at the center spot as the day of the beefy centers are dwindling.
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7/7/2006  10:31 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by VDesai:

I still think Francis will be gone. Once he's gone, he'll be replaced by Collins in the rotation.

C- Curry, Butler
PF- Frye, Lee
SF- QRich, Balkman
SG- Francis, Craw
PG- Marbury, Nate

IR/Invisible: Rose, Taylor

and what about the people Francis gets traded for?

What about them? We'll revisit that when they get here. I don't believe Francis will be the only player to go if/when he is dealt. Several rotation spots will change. I do think Collins will eventually break in and get some playing time at some point at his expense.

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7/7/2006  10:42 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

frye's game is better suited for center. at pf, he will get abused as that is an elite position in the nba. he tries hard but his real advantage will be at the center spot as the day of the beefy centers are dwindling.


I agree that Frye is better suited for Center with the new direction of the NBA. But, Isiah said last year that this team is being buit around Frye and Curry. Both are young players. Lets give them another year at least before we come to the conclusion that they can't play together.


My lineups

Marbury/Nate
Francis/Craw
Rose/Qrich
Frye/Lee
Curry/James




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7/7/2006  10:48 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

frye's game is better suited for center. at pf, he will get abused as that is an elite position in the nba. he tries hard but his real advantage will be at the center spot as the day of the beefy centers are dwindling.

What the HELL are you talking about? Frye has a versatile game and will still be able to knock down jumpers. He may be 260 now, but that will come down a bit once the season starts and he's playing 35 a night. I just don't see him being "abused" as you put it. The top PF's will beat anyone so its not like he's gonna be the only guy who has trouble guarding them. You also seem to forget that he's a very capable scorer himself and they will have to try to stop him as well.

Really all this talk about beefy centers being extinct is silly. Guys like Curry will always warp a defense due to their mass. Everything bends in towards the center and that will only make things easier for the rest of the Knicks. The KEY is to keep the players moving. Don't have a static offense like LB wanted to run, where the defense sees the post up coming and can easily double down. The most successful plays came when the play wasn't focused inside and the guards drew defenders and then dished to a wide open Curry for a dunk or layup. There is a way to be successful with this lineup. LB just didn't bother to try and find it.
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7/7/2006  10:54 AM
nix - the most successful for this lineup is for the guards to score.

but the most successful thing for the TEAM in the future and in the playoffs is to establish eddy and channing.

curry being strictly a dunker or garbage man does nothing for us in terms of winning a title.

he and frye have to become go-to men. having the guards handle primary scoring duty may work during the regular season but unless you have a real big man that can score on his own, you ain't winning no titles.

so maybe that's why lb kept giving the ball to curry and frye. maybe that's why he kept pounding it in. curry may not be ready for it now, but it's better to get the team used to that now so it pays off down the road.

but if curry becomes nazr on roids, then what's the point?
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7/7/2006  10:56 AM
but if curry becomes nazr on roids, then what's the point?
Fact check-people on roids usually have more muscle than fat....
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7/7/2006  11:03 AM
Isiah's 10

Cancer 1, Cancer 2, Crawford, Frye, Lee, Curry, Balkman, Nate, Q, JJ.

Not alot of big men in there.
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7/7/2006  11:12 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

i think isiah is lying. he's going to play the following:

steph, francis, jamal, nate, mardy, quentin, balkman, lee, jalen, malik, frye, mo, curry, jerome

that's right. ONE lineup, 14 man rotation.

No. That was last season. We have a real coach who's actually going to do his job now.

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7/7/2006  11:13 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

i think isiah is lying. he's going to play the following:

steph, francis, jamal, nate, mardy, quentin, balkman, lee, jalen, malik, frye, mo, curry, jerome

that's right. ONE lineup, 14 man rotation.

No. That was last season. We have a real coach who's actually going to do his job now.

Too bad he's also the GM.....
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7/7/2006  11:32 AM
PG: marbury/nate
SG: Francis/Crawford
SF: QRich/Balkman/Jalen
PF: Frye/Lee
C: Curry (with frye playing some backup C)
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7/7/2006  1:04 PM
Posted by VDesai:

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What about them? We'll revisit that when they get here. I don't believe Francis will be the only player to go if/when he is dealt.

Francis makes 16 mill. who can be pckged but the guys on rookie contracts and Isiah is too ego driven to deal any of them even it means getting rid of the extra boat weight.
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7/7/2006  1:05 PM
and I don se how Mardy is outta the rotation. he is the only guard who CAN guard.
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7/7/2006  1:07 PM
Posted by McK1:

and I don se how Mardy is outta the rotation. he is the only guard who CAN guard.

This would be the problem with having 5 guards who play the exact same way (except Collins)
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7/7/2006  1:19 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by McK1:

and I don se how Mardy is outta the rotation. he is the only guard who CAN guard.

This would be the problem with having 5 guards who play the exact same way (except Collins)

96 minutes between Marbury Francis Crawford Nate and Mardy

people thinking Brown was just senile really havent taken a look at the logistical nightmare this roster is.
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7/7/2006  1:20 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by McK1:

and I don se how Mardy is outta the rotation. he is the only guard who CAN guard.

This would be the problem with having 5 guards who play the exact same way (except Collins)

Brown takes some of the blame because he was the one who begged for francis

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7/7/2006  1:23 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by McK1:

and I don se how Mardy is outta the rotation. he is the only guard who CAN guard.

This would be the problem with having 5 guards who play the exact same way (except Collins)

Brown takes some of the blame because he was the one who begged for francis

yeah but in the original deal had

Francis in Crawford Taylor out.

When Orlando backed outta taking Craw, Isiah as GM should've left the table as well.
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7/7/2006  1:23 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by McK1:

and I don se how Mardy is outta the rotation. he is the only guard who CAN guard.

This would be the problem with having 5 guards who play the exact same way (except Collins)

Brown takes some of the blame because he was the one who begged for francis

Once you get to 4 of the exact same player, does a 5th really matter(if Brown in fact begged for him)?
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7/7/2006  1:29 PM
Francis and Marbury are similar........Craw is more apt to play the 2guard than Francis. Craw showed the ability to catch and shoot curling of of screens. Francis is horrible at the 2 because he's not a catch a shoot guard. He has to pound it 3-4 times before he goes up for a shot making a waste of time to set screens for him.

In essence, Craw and Marbury can coinside in the same backcourt but Francis was a horrible addition to what we already had...
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7/8/2006  6:30 AM
yeah, 4 of the 10...not alot...one more and it's even. interesting comment.
Posted by nyk4ever:

Isiah's 10

Cancer 1, Cancer 2, Crawford, Frye, Lee, Curry, Balkman, Nate, Q, JJ.

Not alot of big men in there.

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