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Solace
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7/6/2006  4:40 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:
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Best move was convincing Houston to retire and then using the CBA "Houston Rule" on Jerome Williams. That may be the only reason why he is still here and LB isn't.

Yeah, what he said

Uh, did you just post again to agree with yourself? Now that's one heck of an ego. LOL.
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7/6/2006  4:42 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by EwingsGlass:
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Best move was convincing Houston to retire and then using the CBA "Houston Rule" on Jerome Williams. That may be the only reason why he is still here and LB isn't.

Yeah, what he said

Uh, did you just post again to agree with yourself? Now that's one heck of an ego. LOL.

Alter ego.
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7/6/2006  4:47 PM
Posted by Solace:
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Best move was convincing Houston to retire and then using the CBA "Houston Rule" on Jerome Williams. That may be the only reason why he is still here and LB isn't.

Hmm, but we took the "savings" and wasted almost all of it on the Larry Brown fiasco, then went well over by getting Francis and Rose. The only thing that Houston move did was lessen the blow of the moves that followed.

Also, do we know that it was *Isiah* who convinced Houston to retire?

I guess I combined two moves into one "best move"; but even if IT was betting on Houston retiring when choosing to use the Houston Rule on Jerome Williams, that in turn saved the Knicks many millions. Irrespective of how IT later acted (can you definitively say that the later events would not have occurred had IT not waived Jerome under the new rule? Or had Allan Houston not retired?), to the extent those moves lessened the blow of future events, they were productive and deserve credit if we are establishing his best move. You can't say that those moves were not good because he later made, in your opinion, a bad move. I think the nature of those later moves is yet to be determined. I am taking a wait and see approach.
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7/6/2006  8:12 PM
Posted by martin:

Best move? Getting himself hired. Second best move: Not getting himself fired.

Absolutely, throw in frye and there you have it. Everything else hs been suspect to say the least.
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7/6/2006  8:15 PM
I would have to say my winner is the 05 draft class, which yielded 3 stars for us.

Am I the only one that sensed the sarcasm, oozing from that one?
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7/6/2006  8:16 PM
Best move: Drafting Channing Frye. That was a good move but it's sad that that's his best move.
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7/6/2006  8:22 PM
I don't know his best move but his worst is getting rid of Shanvis Eisleyspoon because getting rid of him put us in the situation we are in now-it was the begining of the end.
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7/6/2006  8:28 PM
Funny how we were dying to get rid of them, but now we're dying to get their contracts back. Ugh for ugly.
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7/6/2006  8:32 PM
it was the begining of the end.
that was when Cablevision took over the Knicks--a little before Layden was hired.
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7/6/2006  8:33 PM
You know you hit rock bottom when you would trade Marbury for Shandon Anderson and some picks.
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7/6/2006  8:34 PM
Posted by joec32033:

I don't know his best move but his worst is getting rid of Shanvis Eisleyspoon because getting rid of him put us in the situation we are in now-it was the begining of the end.

HUH??? So keep those mis fits until there contracts run out, right, No way he would last. To be real honest he took an average team with average players and and average coach that really played hard just not to bright, and change the roster almost twice in 2 seasons and expects immediate results.

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7/6/2006  8:50 PM
Posted by knicks1248:
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I don't know his best move but his worst is getting rid of Shanvis Eisleyspoon because getting rid of him put us in the situation we are in now-it was the begining of the end.

HUH??? So keep those mis fits until there contracts run out, right, No way he would last. To be real honest he took an average team with average players and and average coach that really played hard just not to bright, and change the roster almost twice in 2 seasons and expects immediate results.

Exactly. Hindsight being 20-20 (I am not BLAMING him mind you), if these contracts walked we would have been players in the FA period this year....think about it...

No Malik, No Taylor, No Marbury, No Francis, No Rose, No Curry, No Q, No Nate, No Lee....Without all of them our number is at around $46 million.

We also would have had the #14 pick in the 2004 draft-Could have drafted, JR or Josh Smith, or Jameer Nelson, or Al Jefferson.
We'd be in great shape to make a splash this year in FA we would have had the 2-possibly 1-overall pick in this draft. We would still have Craw (no major expirings were traded for him)-...
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7/6/2006  8:58 PM
I think you should put the Stephon trade on that list. Eventhough, it hasnt worked out for Steph yet in NY, if you look at the crap we gave away that people didnt like turned out to be busts, like Lampe and the european point guard. We gave up a whole bunch of nothing for a great talent like Stephon. The 2005 draft could potentially be his most impressive as GM, but we are going to have to wait and see. Right now I have to give the edge to the Steph trade.
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7/6/2006  9:13 PM
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I think you should put the Stephon trade on that list. Eventhough, it hasnt worked out for Steph yet in NY, if you look at the crap we gave away that people didnt like turned out to be busts, like Lampe and the european point guard. We gave up a whole bunch of nothing for a great talent like Stephon. The 2005 draft could potentially be his most impressive as GM, but we are going to have to wait and see. Right now I have to give the edge to the Steph trade.

But a trade is judged by what the players accomplished. Looking back at how everything turned out-would you not rather have an expiring Ward, expiring McDyess, and one rookie making nothing , another we aren't gonna sign anyway so he doesn' matter and a first round pick and 2 second round picks?
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7/6/2006  9:18 PM
But a trade is judged by what the players accomplished. Looking back at how everything turned out-would you not rather have an expiring Ward, expiring McDyess, and one rookie making nothing , another we aren't gonna sign anyway so he doesn' matter and a first round pick and 2 second round picks?


No
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7/6/2006  9:23 PM
Posted by MisterClutch:
But a trade is judged by what the players accomplished. Looking back at how everything turned out-would you not rather have an expiring Ward, expiring McDyess, and one rookie making nothing , another we aren't gonna sign anyway so he doesn' matter and a first round pick and 2 second round picks?


No

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7/6/2006  9:37 PM
b/c what would be our other option? Who would we have signed? Who would we have traded for? I think Steph would have been better than anyone else. Steph is still a great player....he has put up very good numbers on the knicks. Unfortunately, everybody wants him to be the leader of this team and that is just not in him. Hopefully, Isiah will be able to relax him to the point where he will just play his game inside the team system. That is how he is gonna be a very dangerous player.
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7/6/2006  9:38 PM
Frye without a doubt
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7/6/2006  9:51 PM
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b/c what would be our other option? Who would we have signed? Who would we have traded for? I think Steph would have been better than anyone else. Steph is still a great player....he has put up very good numbers on the knicks. Unfortunately, everybody wants him to be the leader of this team and that is just not in him. Hopefully, Isiah will be able to relax him to the point where he will just play his game inside the team system. That is how he is gonna be a very dangerous player.

I loved Steph for years. Loved the trade that brought him here. But one thing has always bugged me about Steph-he is an idiot. Not in a bad or personal way of course, but he's an idiot. He is not a smart player and if there is anyone that he can lay responsibility on for failure, he will. But he is always the reason for success.

I always believed that he could have been a top 2 PG in this league with all the talent he has. It's always his head that messes him up.

We could have gotten several bigger names over the past few years...In July of '05 some of the names that were available that we could have signed with space...

Redd, Hughes, Joe Johnson, Brevin Knight, Simmons, Korver, Wells, Evans, Hunter, Gadz, Diop....this is a small list, I'll provide the link-http://probasketball.about.com/od/newsrumorsopinion/a/nbafreeagents05.htm-but I would rather have 2 or 3 of these guys than one of Stephon Marbury-not to mention the draft picks.
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7/6/2006  10:03 PM
Posted by joec32033:
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b/c what would be our other option? Who would we have signed? Who would we have traded for? I think Steph would have been better than anyone else. Steph is still a great player....he has put up very good numbers on the knicks. Unfortunately, everybody wants him to be the leader of this team and that is just not in him. Hopefully, Isiah will be able to relax him to the point where he will just play his game inside the team system. That is how he is gonna be a very dangerous player.

I loved Steph for years. Loved the trade that brought him here. But one thing has always bugged me about Steph-he is an idiot. Not in a bad or personal way of course, but he's an idiot. He is not a smart player and if there is anyone that he can lay responsibility on for failure, he will. But he is always the reason for success.

I always believed that he could have been a top 2 PG in this league with all the talent he has. It's always his head that messes him up.

We could have gotten several bigger names over the past few years...In July of '05 some of the names that were available that we could have signed with space...

Redd, Hughes, Joe Johnson, Brevin Knight, Simmons, Korver, Wells, Evans, Hunter, Gadz, Diop....this is a small list, I'll provide the link-http://probasketball.about.com/od/newsrumorsopinion/a/nbafreeagents05.htm-but I would rather have 2 or 3 of these guys than one of Stephon Marbury-not to mention the draft picks.



you see though your just saying you didnt like the trade b/c steph is an idiot and all these things and i agree with you to some degree. But you admit how good he is and how good he could be. We got that type of player for really nothing. It was a good trade by Isiah is all that im saying. Right now that is his best move in my opinion....Frye and the rest of the draft can def top that but we still have to wait and see more. I think well find out alot more after this year is done on what the best move was.
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