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Killa4luv
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7/6/2006  1:16 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Now guys want to bash Frye and Lee. LOL!!! Its comical.

Isles, you are missing the point, this wasn't about minutes per game, its aboutt having a clearly defined role, that doesn't change in conflicting ways from day to day and having 'good play' get rewarded with playing time.


I love how everything that goes against Brown is a secret Dolan ploy. So you think they really knew their roles, but are jsut saying this for Dolan? yeah, Frye really seems like that kind of guy, and so does Lee.

These guys have guaranteed contracts, and they are grown mean, they can simply say no comment.

ROFL!!!!

BTW, Frye didn't bash him at all, if you heard the audio you can see he was reserved in his criticism of LB, just overjoyed at the idea of working for a sane coach.

What's comical is everyone, even LB supporters, say Larry did a crappy job, and you act like everyone is saying he did a great job. Everyone is tired of talking about it. Then when your threads get no replies you bait peple on until you do get replies. Just let it go man. Puff, Puff, Pass....

LOL!! I don't start many threads, so you must have me confused. The truth just hurts, and it feels good to be vindicated.
Guys would say larry did a bad job and then go on to make some excuses for him and talk about his record. Now players are saying exactly what was wrong and I am happy to hear it, because it was obvious something was horribly wrong. Now we know what it was.

Larry either lost his mind, or purposely sabotaged the team, or both. There are no other plausible alternatives.
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7/6/2006  1:18 AM
if LB was the problem, then these guys will show it on the court.

no crutch aka we're rebuilding. put up W's.
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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7/6/2006  1:18 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Now guys want to bash Frye and Lee. LOL!!! Its comical.

Isles, you are missing the point, this wasn't about minutes per game, its aboutt having a clearly defined role, that doesn't change in conflicting ways from day to day and having 'good play' get rewarded with playing time.


I love how everything that goes against Brown is a secret Dolan ploy. So you think they really knew their roles, but are jsut saying this for Dolan? yeah, Frye really seems like that kind of guy, and so does Lee.

These guys have guaranteed contracts, and they are grown mean, they can simply say no comment.

ROFL!!!!

BTW, Frye didn't bash him at all, if you heard the audio you can see he was reserved in his criticism of LB, just overjoyed at the idea of working for a sane coach.

Killa, why are you so surpised people disagree with your point of view. This is a forum full of opinions, no one is going to change their minds about something becuase of an article. It really shouldn't be that surprising.

No one is going to change their mind about something when players who have credibility, and were actually there say something totally contrary to what you believe based on your feelings? I believe in cause and effect, and I believe in proof. I can be swayed by a logical argument. Apaprently you can't. But Hey man, don't let pesky things like facts get in the way.
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7/6/2006  1:19 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Now guys want to bash Frye and Lee. LOL!!! Its comical.

Isles, you are missing the point, this wasn't about minutes per game, its aboutt having a clearly defined role, that doesn't change in conflicting ways from day to day and having 'good play' get rewarded with playing time.


I love how everything that goes against Brown is a secret Dolan ploy. So you think they really knew their roles, but are jsut saying this for Dolan? yeah, Frye really seems like that kind of guy, and so does Lee.

These guys have guaranteed contracts, and they are grown mean, they can simply say no comment.

ROFL!!!!

BTW, Frye didn't bash him at all, if you heard the audio you can see he was reserved in his criticism of LB, just overjoyed at the idea of working for a sane coach.

Yes it is, LOL!!!!! Cosign 10000000 percent!!!



Let IT Begin...........Character assassination, you got to love it. Don't like the message, shoot the messenger.
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Killa4luv
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7/6/2006  1:19 AM
Posted by McK1:

if LB was the problem, then these guys will show it on the court.

no crutch aka we're rebuilding. put up W's.

I'm with you on that. 43 wins is a 20 game improvement, I expect to see that.
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7/6/2006  1:20 AM
Channing's job is neither to understand nor question the rotations, but simply to accept them.

A positive environment will remain as long the losses don't pile on. After the 1st 5 game losing streak, will it remain? Does the finger pointing star? Will Isiah become harsh in order to rectify mistakes and will the players react by being the pansies they are? And who's to say a positive environment translates into more wins in the long run anyhow? Sometimes, you need to be made a little uncomfortable to bring your A-game.

Lets see how it plays out. If Isiah's methods are effective, thats all that matters. If the players are happy and we lose 60 games, I wan't them to be made very unhappy.


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7/6/2006  1:28 AM
Posted by codeunknown:

And who's to say a positive environment translates into more wins in the long run anyhow?
Everyone who calls Steph a cancer and claims that him being a bad teammate and a generally not nice guy are the reason teams lose with him on it; thats who.

the same people who talk about how the Suns win because they love each other so much, etc.

the same people who post quotes from Tim Thomas about how bad a treammate Steph was and why that made him play poorly.


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7/6/2006  1:30 AM
The truth just hurts, and it feels good to be vindicated.

I have to say I feel the same way, not that anyone but me cares...

When the facts are looked at objectively, either every player on the team from rookie to vet is an insubordinant, stupid, quitting loser, or... LB went buckwild.

Even though all evidence ranging from what we saw to what is now coming out, points to a massive share of the blame going to the Brownster, there are still defenses constructed for him.

Instead of taking the evidence and coming to a conclusion, some are starting with the conclusion that becaase LB is a great coach he is doing the right thing, and interpreting the evidence to support the conclusion.

***

Before, LB thought he was in so much control with his $50,000,000 sledgehammer that he thought he could yap on and on even though it was against policy, while everybody else kept their mouth shut. (Mostly)

Now they are the ones talking and LB is silent because he wants his money.

Who is the unprofessional one?

oohah

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7/6/2006  1:38 AM
I love it to........... haven't even heard the "Record/Won ever where he has been speech" in a couple of days. *Deep breath*
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7/6/2006  1:49 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by codeunknown:

And who's to say a positive environment translates into more wins in the long run anyhow?
Everyone who calls Steph a cancer and claims that him being a bad teammate and a generally not nice guy are the reason teams lose with him on it; thats who.

the same people who talk about how the Suns win because they love each other so much, etc.

the same people who post quotes from Tim Thomas about how bad a treammate Steph was and why that made him play poorly.


Those are different scenarios. A player doesn't have the authority to dominate and control the environment like the coach does. The coach is 100% of the vision behind the gameplan, the rapport with coaches etc. If he wants it a certain way, its not the player's position to interfere.

I've never cared whether Steph is a cancer or normal or a piece of degenerative tissue. I'm more interested in the on-court dynamic. And there, Stephon has positives and flaws. So, what those people may think is irrelevant to a discussion between me and you.

The Suns loving each other is crap - in other words, not the major factor behind their impressive performance. Again, talent and strategy and implementation are my interests. I happen to like Stephon - he isn't the issue. The point I was making was about the correlation between a perceived comfort level and level of performance. Mainly, that it isn't necessarily positive.
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7/6/2006  1:50 AM
This is why Brown wanted one or two of his former players on the team, so they could tell guys "he was the same way with us, and we all hated him, but we rode it out and then things clicked and we went far together." Instead our leaders are uncrackable nuts, hellbent on playing their way, and giving the coach ultimatums thru the media after just 7 games.

Reggie Miller was said to have hated Brown, but as a TV analyst he called him the best coach in the game, bar none. And he probably "liked" Isiah better.

I'm glad our guys like our new coach more, and I'm glad our new coach likes these guys more. But I'd feel a lot better about the whole thing if I had more faith in the leadership of this team -- but our leaders problems have revealed themselves under a multitude of coaching styles. I don't believe in finding that one needle in the haystack of coaches. Isiah makes the 5th in 2.5 years. It's not good enough he be better than Brown (who he signed). He has to make this roster (who he signed) make sense.
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7/6/2006  1:56 AM
To address the issue of an ultimatum with Isiah, I think its best if he gets a minimum of 2 years. But, with that, an immediate dismissal as GM. That means I don't care if he wins 25-30 games next season. I want atleast one of our young players to be a star.
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7/6/2006  2:01 AM
These guys have guaranteed contracts, and they are grown men, they can simply say no comment.

exactly, they could've simply said "no comment" but they didn't. they opened their mouths and talked about lb and last season. why? what was the point other than to further push msg's stance on him? but why should i be surprised? it's obvious that everything that went wrong last season was lb's fault according to msg. so why should they say anything different?
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7/6/2006  2:15 AM
How people try to denfend a coach that help destroy the few assets we had as a team is beyond me.

What if you had to go to work with your boss trashing you everyday ? Saying one thing and the opposite the following day ? Always pointing at what you did bad ?

those guys are human beoings just like you and me. I wouldn't give anything to a boss like that, and trust me, I was the first to support LB. But obviously, he had his own agenda.
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7/6/2006  2:24 AM
I like these threads because it is easier for me to see who actually has no allegance to the team and only allegance to brown.

He won 23 games and he has a method to his madness, but zeke has to win 43 or he sucks.

mck1, islesfan, nyk4ever...you are now in the full of **** list when you say you are a knick fan...as you only bash the few brightspots we have...rather than say ..
wow, it looks like the kids are really ready to contribute and the environment change might help
you say
these guys are pussies and babies

the pussies and babies are you three because you are still crying over spilled brown.
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7/6/2006  2:28 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
These guys have guaranteed contracts, and they are grown men, they can simply say no comment.

exactly, they could've simply said "no comment" but they didn't. they opened their mouths and talked about lb and last season. why? what was the point other than to further push msg's stance on him? but why should i be surprised? it's obvious that everything that went wrong last season was lb's fault according to msg. so why should they say anything different?

right. it couldn't possibly be what they felt. if these comments were against Isiah and supporting Brown, would you believe they were a conspiracy or would you be the first person to post them?
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7/6/2006  2:36 AM
the first person to post them.

I am afraid that larry brown has succeeded in turning previous knick fans against the franchise.

we've lost djsunyc and nyk4ever.

I used to like those guys, but I don't particularly care for their opinions on my favorite nba team anymore.

Just reading them made me sick to my stomach.

I mean, you can give opinions, that's what a message board is about, but these two have completely become the anti knick fans.

But I don't blame them, I blame larry, because the year before when we won only 33 games, they were still happy about being knick fans and posting positivity.

after the worst loss record in franchise history, the coach responsible to get us W's (as mck1 so elegantly put it) last year is gone, they are nothing nice things to say about him, and nothing but bad things to say about who has stayed behind and remained to help right the ship.

Keep bashing fellas...it's who you are now.

crzymdups, you should change your sig to
UK.com 2006-07, couple of cry babies.

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7/6/2006  2:53 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Now guys want to bash Frye and Lee. LOL!!! Its comical.

Isles, you are missing the point, this wasn't about minutes per game, its aboutt having a clearly defined role, that doesn't change in conflicting ways from day to day and having 'good play' get rewarded with playing time.


I love how everything that goes against Brown is a secret Dolan ploy. So you think they really knew their roles, but are jsut saying this for Dolan? yeah, Frye really seems like that kind of guy, and so does Lee.

These guys have guaranteed contracts, and they are grown mean, they can simply say no comment.

ROFL!!!!

BTW, Frye didn't bash him at all, if you heard the audio you can see he was reserved in his criticism of LB, just overjoyed at the idea of working for a sane coach.

What's comical is everyone, even LB supporters, say Larry did a crappy job, and you act like everyone is saying he did a great job.
What's comical is that some people take a cop-out, admitting he did a crappy job but then thinking he should not have been fired!
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7/6/2006  4:52 AM
It's weird how many knick fans have become solely Larry Brown fans despite the stinker he pulled last year. I used to support him, but the turning point was that article near the end of season that said Larry Brown had done such a bad job at coaching people were thinking he was doing it deliberately as part of a master plan.

So either- Larry did a crap job because he was inept or Larry did a crap job because he was intentionally wanting them to do badly so he could pinch IT's job. My, what a great coach!

I agree 43 wins will be a successful season, though I love how people are pre empting any success IT has by saying thats not enough, nor is making the playoffs- they're already laying the ground work so they can moan for the next year!
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7/6/2006  4:55 AM
Posted by smackeddog:

It's weird how many knick fans have become solely Larry Brown fans despite the stinker he pulled last year. I used to support him, but the turning point was that article near the end of season that said Larry Brown had done such a bad job at coaching people were thinking he was doing it deliberately as part of a master plan.

So either- Larry did a crap job because he was inept or Larry did a crap job because he was intentionally wanting them to do badly so he could pinch IT's job. My, what a great coach!

I agree 43 wins will be a successful season, though I love how people are pre empting any success IT has by saying thats not enough, nor is making the playoffs- they're already laying the ground work so they can moan for the next year!

Pretty much. SMH.

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