Posted by Solace:

Whether or not JJ sucks, he's going to get some minutes, at least to start the season, because of the huge contract Isiah gave him. Expect to see JJ get another shot.

Maybe; Isiah's also discussed buying out JJ if he comes in out of shape.

Killa: I thought fat Curry got far too many minutes and hard-working Jackie got far too few. Reward those with the right attitude and punish those with the wrong one.

Does this restricted free agent matching rule give us the opportunity to sign and trade?

if it comes down to jackie or woods I'd resign woods. There's plenty of 6-10 guys who do what Jackie does. Woods/Balkman is a nice tandem at SF. Once Woods jumper becomes automatic he's going to be unstoppable. The more playing time he gets the better he will become. He proved showed last year what he can do with playing time. He's not 19 anymore. We snatched him up at just the right time. Much higher ceiling than jackie imo.

Posted by Killa4luv:

NYK and Martin

I can think of MANY games were Curry was playing well, picked up a couple of fouls and never returned to the game. I can think of MANY other games were for whatever reason, CURRY was miysteriously missing from the lineup. Sometimes in the 4th quarter of games he playe well in. I can't say JB got all of those minutes, but I saw more than enough suspicious benchings of Curry last year.

If you guys can't remember that I don't know what planet you are living on.

that just speaks for Curry not getting minutes. Not that Jackie didn't earn his. I don't remember a time where I was thinking "damn, Butler is stinking it up, why is he playing". Nor do I remember anyone mentioning this.

I think there were a lot of instances where Curry may have been doing well on the offensive end of things but didn't play a lick of D, didn't go after rebounds, forgot to rotate, etc. LOTS of instances of this. And maybe they also coincided with a pretty good offensive effort and then LB benched him for a guy that played hard on D, dove for rebounds, etc.

Posted by gunsnewing:

if it comes down to jackie or woods I'd resign woods. There's plenty of 6-10 guys who do what Jackie does. Woods/Balkman is a nice tandem at SF. Once Woods jumper becomes automatic he's going to be unstoppable. The more playing time he gets the better he will become. He proved showed last year what he can do with playing time. He's not 19 anymore. We snatched him up at just the right time. Much higher ceiling than jackie imo.

Please replace Once with IF.

Theoretically, Balkman can give us what Woods & Ariza did- hustle effort plays.

I don't think there are that many 6'10" guys out there that can potentially do what Jackie theoretically can do.

Mind you, we're talking potential, but I think Jackie has great hands and great agility and footwork.

I think Woods might be a great talent and yes, he had some athletic moves that truly impressed. But there are plenty of phenomenol athletes that don't make it and plenty of non-athletic guys that do with effort and size.

For goodness sake- JJ is a testament to how being 7 foot can get you paid. Likewise, adonal foyle, Kandi, Nestorovich, Chris Dudley, etc.

If you are a 6'7" player, you need skill. If you are a big, you can get by.

I think Jackie definitely has the size you want and I think he has skill.

It's sad that this is even a discussion. We all know veterans who have nothing to contribute like JJ and Malik should be waived and there should be plenty of room for both players and even one more signing.

Posted by martin:

Posted by Bonn1997:

It's sad that this is even a discussion. We all know veterans who have nothing to contribute like JJ and Malik should be waived and there should be plenty of room for both players and even one more signing.

Malik may not contribute on the court as much as one would hope, but he contributes in other vet-like areas. Same role as AD had in the locker room.

That just highlights that our only good attitude veterans are useless on the court.



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07-03-2006 9:27 PM]

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by Bonn1997:

That just highlights that our only good attitude veterans are useless on the court.

What does that mean? I dont understand, not trying to be a prick.

Oh, I left out a word. I editted it just now. my bad!


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07-03-2006 9:27 PM]

How do we even know how much locker room prescence they have had? I don't think it's prudent to assume just because they suck and are veterans that they are great leaders and team builders; especially on this Knicks team. It's easy to be a great team mate in SA where the culture is so good(Malik).

Posted by martin:

Posted by Bonn1997:

It's sad that this is even a discussion. We all know veterans who have nothing to contribute like JJ and Malik should be waived and there should be plenty of room for both players and even one more signing.

Malik may not contribute on the court as much as one would hope, but he contributes in other vet-like areas. Same role as AD had in the locker room.