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Rich
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7/2/2006  3:34 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Rich:

Isiah's biggest problem is that he has probablyreceived contradictory instructions from Dolan. We he was hired, he was likely ordered to make the playoffs ASAP. That's why he traded for Marbury. It also caused him to disregard cap implications.

When it became apparent that Houston was basketball dead, he probably got Dolan to see that he had to rebuild, but he was stuck in cap hell, and still is.

So they hired Larry to work his magic, but Larry really only came for the money, and when it became apparent to him that he would have to adapt to the players he inherited because their contracts couldn't be traded, he demurred.

yes, it's everybody else's fault but isiah's.

Obviously, I never said that, but every GM that has worked for Dolan has been compromised: Checketts/Grunfeld, Layden, and Isiah with the Knicks, and Smith and Sather with the Rangers.

Checketts has specifically said that Dolan interfered with player personnel decisions.

That doesn't absolve Isiah, because clearly he has made mistakes, but it puts his situation in context.

[Edited by - Rich on 07-02-2006 03:56 AM]
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7/2/2006  3:35 AM
lets get one thing straight: paxson is on par with kiki and is in no way shape, form or fashion to be mentioned in the same sentence with red aurebach......keep it real
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7/2/2006  3:36 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Rich:

Isiah's biggest problem is that he has probablyreceived contradictory instructions from Dolan. We he was hired, he was likely ordered to make the playoffs ASAP. That's why he traded for Marbury. It also caused him to disregard cap implications.

When it became apparent that Houston was basketball dead, he probably got Dolan to see that he had to rebuild, but he was stuck in cap hell, and still is.

So they hired Larry to work his magic, but Larry really only came for the money, and when it became apparent to him that he would have to adapt to the players he inherited because their contracts couldn't be traded, he demurred.

when you spend 500mm $ on players, you better win--no excuses weve gone through 4 coaches 21 players and a half billion $ we should win with gary coleman coaching

If there was unrestricted free agency and no salary cap, I would agree.

Because there isn't, he has made a series of patchwork decisions that have often been stupid.

The Knicks haven't realy been run well since the late 60s and early 70s.
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7/2/2006  3:53 AM
I think Isiah would trade marbury right now if he could. I think he still is in curry's corner though.

The only problem I have with the way DJ put the arguement. Paxon got rid of curry after 4 years, Isiah hasn't even been apart of the knicks for 3 full years. Seem to me that people seem to put Isiah down like he has been hear for 10 years. I don't know what Isiah did to make the media hate him soooo much. Mchale has been banned from having a first round pick longer then Isiah has had with the knicks. SMH.
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7/2/2006  4:58 AM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by djsunyc:

let me ask you this - do you think isiah would trade marbury or curry?
For the right deal, yes. I like both players and I would move them for the right deal. But I don't think those aquisitions were mistakes. And more importantly, neither does Isiah. I think if he thought they were mistakes he would try and move them. Fairly early in the season it was reported that he was agressively trying to move JJ, whom he had just recently signed. Where are you goign with this?


DJ is just trying to bait you into entertaining his belief that everyone that doesn't hate isiah is secretly fantasizing of having homosexual relations with him.

"Track records" make more sense than common sense and what goes on in reality.

By the way Paxson is an idiot and he is a lucky bastard. He has no clue what he is doing. He just makes moves to make them. It just so happens that all his moves have worked.

Why are they winning? Luck......Who knew Ben Gordon would be the player he is now? Who thought Hinrich would be this good? Who thought Hinrich would wind up being a point guard? Who thought Ben would get away with being a shooting guard? Who would have thought that a team with Songaila, Malik allen, and Sweetney as your power forwards would win? Why draft Deng and then sign Nocioni? Who thought Nocioni would be the player he is?

It's all freaking luck. Check all of Paxsons moves since he has been GM. He is a freaking lucky idiot. He's also lucky Larry Brown screwed the Knicks season over last year and gave Paxson the #2 pick. That pick would have been #15-20 with any other coach.

Don't confuse wins with being a genius as a GM. Paxson is an idiot. A lucky idiot.

this may be the most laughable post i've read in a while.

"don't confuse wins with being a genius as a GM" - well that pretty much explains everything.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. one word of advice, next time click on "preview" before "post new reply".

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-02-2006 05:16 AM]
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7/2/2006  4:59 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by djsunyc:

let me ask you this - do you think isiah would trade marbury or curry?
For the right deal, yes. I like both players and I would move them for the right deal. But I don't think those aquisitions were mistakes. And more importantly, neither does Isiah. I think if he thought they were mistakes he would try and move them. Fairly early in the season it was reported that he was agressively trying to move JJ, whom he had just recently signed. Where are you goign with this?

i feel marbury AND curry are mistakes. but i also don't think isiah would deal them.

but i'm glad he was aggressively trying to move JJ fairly early. that type of foresight gives us hope...
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7/2/2006  7:20 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by djsunyc:

let me ask you this - do you think isiah would trade marbury or curry?
For the right deal, yes. I like both players and I would move them for the right deal. But I don't think those aquisitions were mistakes. And more importantly, neither does Isiah. I think if he thought they were mistakes he would try and move them. Fairly early in the season it was reported that he was agressively trying to move JJ, whom he had just recently signed. Where are you goign with this?


DJ is just trying to bait you into entertaining his belief that everyone that doesn't hate isiah is secretly fantasizing of having homosexual relations with him.

"Track records" make more sense than common sense and what goes on in reality.

By the way Paxson is an idiot and he is a lucky bastard. He has no clue what he is doing. He just makes moves to make them. It just so happens that all his moves have worked.

Why are they winning? Luck......Who knew Ben Gordon would be the player he is now? Who thought Hinrich would be this good? Who thought Hinrich would wind up being a point guard? Who thought Ben would get away with being a shooting guard? Who would have thought that a team with Songaila, Malik allen, and Sweetney as your power forwards would win? Why draft Deng and then sign Nocioni? Who thought Nocioni would be the player he is?

It's all freaking luck. Check all of Paxsons moves since he has been GM. He is a freaking lucky idiot. He's also lucky Larry Brown screwed the Knicks season over last year and gave Paxson the #2 pick. That pick would have been #15-20 with any other coach.

Don't confuse wins with being a genius as a GM. Paxson is an idiot. A lucky idiot.

this may be the most laughable post i've read in a while.

"don't confuse wins with being a genius as a GM" - well that pretty much explains everything.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. one word of advice, next time click on "preview" before "post new reply".

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-02-2006 05:16 AM]

Wow. I just read that and I have to agree. At best, his post brings kool-aid to a new level. Moreso, it was just illogical. It's starting to make me think that some will say *anything* if that's what they want to believe. Wow, the Bulls are good because Paxson was lucky? Unreal. Just about the most ridiculous statement I've heard in a while.
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7/2/2006  8:30 AM
I believe what enyspree was saying it that for example you can have a baseball player who is a scrubb but he suddenly gets on a 10 game hitting streak then the streak is over, does that now make him a great player ??? Or just a guy who got lucky !!!
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7/2/2006  9:08 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BRIGGS:

John Paxson=new Red Aurebach

john paxson is KILLING the league. KILLING it.

Paxson is doing a hell of a job but as Bobby said, he doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Red right now. When the Bulls win multiple championships, Paxson still won't be on Red's level but we can talk then.

[Edited by - s3231 on 07-02-2006 09:09 AM]
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7/2/2006  9:32 AM
Posted by OngBok:

I believe what enyspree was saying it that for example you can have a baseball player who is a scrubb but he suddenly gets on a 10 game hitting streak then the streak is over, does that now make him a great player ??? Or just a guy who got lucky !!!

When a baseball player goes on a hitting streak, whoever says the guy got lucky? The correct phrasing is the guy got hot or the guy caught fire.

... and by the way, this is a little bit more than a 10 game winning streak. He's been making the right moves for years.

[Edited by - Solace on 07-02-2006 09:36 AM]
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7/2/2006  10:46 AM
Its funny because I was going to make a post today saying I really liked what NO has done this offseason with the draft and free agency.

Drafting Armstrong & Simmons to go with West gives them a nice 3man rotation. And signing Peja really will spread the floor for Paul and the bigs. I thinking if Jr Smith or Mason or Snyder stepped there games up. And the Biggs played well they would be a playoff contender. Now if they get Chandler they are pretty deep up front with (superstar)C.Paul & Peja on the perimeter. They get a quality SG anytime in the near future (Or Snyder steps his game up to another level)they will be a nice team.

I was also going to predict that Chandler ends up being signed and traded to Pistons for Ben Wallace. If Both moves go through then Chi replaces Pistons in the East. B.Wallace, PJ.Brown, Sweetney, Ty Thomas, Nocioni, Deng, Jr Smith, Gordan, Hinrich, Duhon. If they could package Gordan & Sweetney for other needs what ever they may be. Maybe dump any unwanted contracts & add future draft picks or a long range shooter then they are set.
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7/2/2006  11:08 AM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Rich:

Isiah's biggest problem is that he has probablyreceived contradictory instructions from Dolan. We he was hired, he was likely ordered to make the playoffs ASAP. That's why he traded for Marbury. It also caused him to disregard cap implications.

When it became apparent that Houston was basketball dead, he probably got Dolan to see that he had to rebuild, but he was stuck in cap hell, and still is.

So they hired Larry to work his magic, but Larry really only came for the money, and when it became apparent to him that he would have to adapt to the players he inherited because their contracts couldn't be traded, he demurred.

yes, it's everybody else's fault but isiah's.

Obviously, I never said that, but every GM that has worked for Dolan has been compromised: Checketts/Grunfeld, Layden, and Isiah with the Knicks, and Smith and Sather with the Rangers.

Checketts has specifically said that Dolan interfered with player personnel decisions.

That doesn't absolve Isiah, because clearly he has made mistakes, but it puts his situation in context.

[Edited by - Rich on 07-02-2006 03:56 AM]

This is all very true and good post Rich. But we must all agree that Isiah has overpaid in basically all of his trades. It did have to do with the heat that Dolan has put on him to make playoffs. Same with Layden. But he should have stayed patient and only made those deals after negociations reached a point there there were less risk for us. Or just not make the deal. Or wait until we built up some kind of position of strength. It would have been what was best for the Knicks. Also signing James & Mo Taylor trade were horrible.

Crawford trade was okay. Marbury & Curry trades he overpaid big time for. With all that said we could still turn it around. Just have to not add anymore bad contracts. And keep adding young talent( through the draft &/or small signing.
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