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Bonn1997
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6/29/2006  1:33 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Rich:

He knew he was going to get killed for this pick, yet he took him anyway. He may be arrogant, but he's not stupid.

I'll respectfully disagree on the stupid part. No lottery protection and not drafting players at value spots to me is stupid.

I'd agree with Rich if he changed his comment to "Isiah's not stupid when drafting players"; I suspect that's what Rich meant anyway

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06-29-2006 1:33 PM]
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6/29/2006  1:34 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

you would think lb has EARNED at least one more year to coach as well.

but using one's history for current moves don't seem to fly with alot of people here.

Sure but you can also LOSE that right after a year of senility. Isiah's done nothing to lose confidence in his DRAFTING ability

Your doing senility funnies today?

Im not sure Isiah is so great at drafting as much as he has yet to screw up. Reezy was ok, but not as good as we thought, Camby and mighty mouse were no brainers that never really achieved all star status. T-mac was a nice pick. Frye was a good safe pick, Nate is a bit of a one dimensional clown, and Lee was a great bargain.

Im not saying Isiah sucks, but he plays it safe and thats ok also.

Larry is a coaching god who deserved at least one more year. Isiahs master is a freaking moron of biblical proportions.

And your redundantly boring.
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6/29/2006  1:40 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Rich:

He knew he was going to get killed for this pick, yet he took him anyway. He may be arrogant, but he's not stupid.

I'll respectfully disagree on the stupid part. No lottery protection and not drafting players at value spots to me is stupid.

I'd agree with Rich if he changed his comment to "Isiah's not stupid when drafting players"; I suspect that's what Rich meant anyway

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06-29-2006 1:33 PM]

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6/29/2006  1:48 PM
Yes, Isiah has been a good drafter. Still, he has not been perfect. As McK1 pointed out, he passed on a bunch of guys in 96.

I don't see why some people are scared to criticize Isiah's picks because of his draft history. Even if he's been good at it in the past, it doesn't mean you can't disagree with his picks and have some healthy dialogue.

Isiah has made mistakes even in the draft. Why don't some people accept that?

Nalod is right about Isiah. He has a good draft record because he hasn't really messed up yet. He plays it relatively safe.

Again, that doesn't mean we can't criticize him because a different pick might be better for us.
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6/29/2006  2:03 PM
Who has ever been a perfect drafter. Many years ago, we got the best player in the draft in the second round - Willis Reed. He was passed up by every team in the league back then in the first round - including the Knicks who took Bad News Barnes with the first pick in the entire draft and including the great Red Aurebach, gm of the Celtics, who took Mel Counts. No one's a seer. Hind sight is 20/20. All in all, Isaiah's record in drafting is very good. It's as good as his record in trades is bad.
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6/29/2006  2:05 PM
Posted by joec32033:

Isiah is a good draft guy but I have noticed something about his picks...his absolute best picks were lottery picks at the begining of the draft. Mo Pete is probably the only guy that he drafted in the late rounds that was great (he did draft Mo Pete, right?)

Tracy McGrady. Ever heard of him? He came out of high school.
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6/29/2006  2:05 PM
No one is ever perfect. I'm not saying Isiah should be perfect at drafting at all and I have never said that. What I have said is we all have the right to disagree with one of his picks despite of his draft history. Its not like he hasn't made a mistake yet. He has made mistakes just like everyone else. We are all entitled to disagree with one of his picks even if he has been a good drafter.

If we aren't entitled to disagree, what good is being a fan? We are allowed to have our own opinions.
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6/29/2006  2:07 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

you would think lb has EARNED at least one more year to coach as well.

but using one's history for current moves don't seem to fly with alot of people here.
Now I know you LB lovers are not the best with logic, but I'll try anyway.

Larry Earned the job and did horrible at it.

In order to make this equivalent, Isiah would have to have a had a year with a really poor draft where the players were busts.

That has not happened. Therefore the analogy is not a good one.
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6/29/2006  2:12 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by joec32033:

Isiah is a good draft guy but I have noticed something about his picks...his absolute best picks were lottery picks at the begining of the draft. Mo Pete is probably the only guy that he drafted in the late rounds that was great (he did draft Mo Pete, right?)

Tracy McGrady. Ever heard of him? He came out of high school.

no. 9 in the lottery. joe questioned his non lotto picks
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6/29/2006  2:19 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by joec32033:

Isiah is a good draft guy but I have noticed something about his picks...his absolute best picks were lottery picks at the begining of the draft. Mo Pete is probably the only guy that he drafted in the late rounds that was great (he did draft Mo Pete, right?)

Tracy McGrady. Ever heard of him? He came out of high school.

no. 9 in the lottery. joe questioned his non lotto picks

there aren't too many other GMs who can say they haven't made a major mistake in the lotto.
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6/29/2006  2:52 PM

Hustle and Flow

People are insisting on looking at individuals OUTSIDE the context of the current roster.

With his dreads flying in the air, Balkman begins to answer the defensive perimeter void that nearly everyone was complaining about.

In contrast to the fundamentally-sound Channing Frye, Renaldo (is that a Brazilian name in the making or what?) could be fun to encourage for his edgy, non-stop hustle at the three or cameo at the two.

dhsu - "(Larry Brown was involved in the workout," Thomas said. "(Balkman) was someone he liked also."

With his ability to play long minutes, Collins makes Crawford and Nate instantly less of a liability on defense.





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6/29/2006  3:24 PM
Posted by McK1:

Nate

Lee is a nice player but we should've took Gomes. he is everything Balkman is defensively and intangible wise plus he can put the ball in the hole.


This is splitting hairs. Most GM's don't get a good player at a pick as late at 29, but we got one in Lee that should be a very effective NBA player. And even so, when Lee did play and start he put up some double doubles like Gomes.

Actually per 40:

Gomes 13.4 ppg 8.7 rebs
Lee 12.1 ppg 10.7 rebs

And Lee shot nearly 60% to Gomes 48%
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6/29/2006  3:28 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by McK1:

Nate

Lee is a nice player but we should've took Gomes. he is everything Balkman is defensively and intangible wise plus he can put the ball in the hole.


This is splitting hairs. Most GM's don't get a good player at a pick as late at 29, but we got one in Lee that should be a very effective NBA player. And even so, when Lee did play and start he put up some double doubles like Gomes.

Actually per 40:

Gomes 13.4 ppg 8.7 rebs
Lee 12.1 ppg 10.7 rebs

And Lee shot nearly 60% to Gomes 48%

Lee was mostly dunking. Gomes actually can make shots.

Gomes didn't play till post trade deadline and still made all-rookie 2nd.

its not splitting hairs when talking about a guy who can actually play and defend the 3 vs someone trying to be converted

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-29-2006 3:29 PM]
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6/29/2006  3:31 PM
chk Ryan's numbers from Feb12th on

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ryan_gomes/game_by_game_stats.html

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6/29/2006  3:35 PM
It's splitting hairs. Their effectiveness was about the same. I know Ryan's stats. If Lee didn't get strung around from starter to inactive every other day we'd see a different story.

Generally you are very lucky to get a player as good as Lee at 29. I'll kill Isiah about a lot of things, but IMO this one of the silliest to kill him about.
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6/29/2006  3:43 PM
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Posted by misterearl:


Hustle and Flow

People are insisting on looking at individuals OUTSIDE the context of the current roster.

With his dreads flying in the air, Balkman begins to answer the defensive perimeter void that nearly everyone was complaining about.

In contrast to the fundamentally-sound Channing Frye, Renaldo (is that a Brazilian name in the making or what?) could be fun to encourage for his edgy, non-stop hustle at the three or cameo at the two.

dhsu - "(Larry Brown was involved in the workout," Thomas said. "(Balkman) was someone he liked also."

With his ability to play long minutes, Collins makes Crawford and Nate instantly less of a liability on defense.





forget marcus Williams, the nets 54th pick is a better talnet that what we got at 20. better all-around player better athlete better rebounder defender scorer etc... hassan adma smade more sense at 20 than what we drafted. and this is unfair to the kid i hope he can step up for his own sake
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6/29/2006  3:55 PM
Starting frontline will be Frye/Lee after we get off to a 6-14 start with Curry
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6/29/2006  3:56 PM
Posted by VDesai:

It's splitting hairs. Their effectiveness was about the same. I know Ryan's stats. If Lee didn't get strung around from starter to inactive every other day we'd see a different story.

Generally you are very lucky to get a player as good as Lee at 29. I'll kill Isiah about a lot of things, but IMO this one of the silliest to kill him about.

I'm not killing him just stating facts

Knicks biggest hole - starting 3

could/can Lee play the 3?

theres a reason we're drafting Balkman. in 05 Gomes was the much better fit



[Edited by - McK1 on 06-29-2006 3:56 PM]
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