Posted by Solace:

I love the fact that the exact same people who are screaming blue murder at Isiah for not taking Williams, 25 minutes later are making snide remarks when we select Collins because we ha too many guards.

No, we didn't like the Collins pick because if we were going to go with a guard why didn't we go with Marcus Williams? Foolish. Mardy Collins isn't good enough to get minutes. Marcus Williams is. That's the difference.

Anyway, sip the kool aid... all I know is Nets fans are currently having a celebration because we GAVE them Marcus Williams, who they never expected a shot at, at 22.

Posted by Solace:

Originally posted by firefly:

Originally posted by Solace:

Here's a direct quote from a popular Nets board:

We have to thank one guy tonight..

on: June 28, 2006, 11:45:25 PM

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And let me be the first one to do it...
Dear Isiah,
Thank you for passing up on the best PG prospect in the draft. You have given us Nets fans million reasons to smile but this one takes the cake. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for being the most incompetent GM in the history of the league. We love you and we hope you stay as the GM of the New York Knickerbockers for the rest of your life. Have fun with Renaldo Balkman.
Thanks.

Ok, Ill bite. Youre so smart, and you know, KNOW that Marcus Williams is going to be the greatest thing since Magic, then what exactly does Isiah Thomas have to do with the Nets getting him? He was projected to go top 5! Nets fans, an unimaginative bunch at the best of times, have decided to go with general media direction, which seems to be be kill Isiah as much as possible. All fair and good. So why are they not thanking all the other GM's who passed on him? Isiah has nothing to do with Marcus Williams dropping to the Nets. He was the last in a long line of, according to you, far more qualified GM's to pass on him.
Well done the Nets fans for bringing the average IQ of the tristate area down to beetle level. Lets quote them and join their sad fraternity of patheticdom.
Kool Aid has nothing to do with this. I know were my team is, and I know there is much to do to make them better. In my opinion, drafting a Frank Williams lookalike to make "fans" like you happy has nothing to do with it.
Before the draft, everyone was saying Isiah will draft the BPA in an effort to save his job. Well, he didnt. He drafted someone who he thinks will help the team be more rounded. You know, try and balance offense and defense. But noooo, lets listen to the Nets fans, who dont even have the sense to support a team who are actually good!
Just because BRIGGS says Marcus Williams wil be good, does not make it gospel. Sounds to me like a guy who cant even keep a little weight problem in check before the biggest day of proffessional career. Ah, but Curry sucks.
Generally, I'm finding that people who demand that Isiah drafted Williams are either UConn fans, or in serious need of a little sit down and prioritize time. Whats mote important to you, that Isiah sucks, or that the Knicks grow?

If Isiah drafted Bonn1997, half the board would say it was a good move and defend it. Sip the kool aid slowly... slowly...

Just be honest and call this what it is: Isiah's massive ego.

But as we have learned with Curry and anyone else Isiah works in a vacuum. He could care less what he pays or what the circumstances are, so long as he gets his guy

That's how I feel too, and past precedence proves it, which is why he's a poor GM. If we had the #43 pick this year, we would've made the same pick. Hell we could've packaged the #20 for two second rounders. But, not in Isiah-land. One of the posters made a joke that he was no longer upset about losing the #2, because if we had that, Isiah would've taken Balkman at the #2. I'm starting to think there's some truth to it.

To make the kool-aid issue worse, if Isiah took Balkman at the #2, the same posters would be saying it was a good move.

Jordan was the third pick in his draft.....there what scares me is tht guys that fall usually have a better chance of succeeding than guys you reach for and take way ahead of where hey should be...I can name ALOT of successful players that dropped. It is alot harder to think of guys that were reached for and succeeded.

Funny, I remember a PG named Jameer Nelson who fell just like Marcus did, look at what he's doing now.

Posted by oohah:

Funny, I remember a PG named Jameer Nelson who fell just like Marcus did, look at what he's doing now.

Jameer Nelson is 5 times better than Williams. Nelson was player of the year. He is an outstanding athlete shooter, ball-handler, defensive player, passer, and he has good character to boot.

Williams was the 5th best player on his own team and he is a fat, slow, average-shooting, poor-defense-playing, thief.

Big difference.

oohah

kidd beat his wife.
qyntel beat his dogs.

this kid stole a lap top. are we going to bury him now or if we drafted him, would it be "let's cheer for the kid to turn it around?"

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by oohah:

Jordan was the third pick in his draft.....there what scares me is tht guys that fall usually have a better chance of succeeding than guys you reach for and take way ahead of where hey should be...I can name ALOT of successful players that dropped. It is alot harder to think of guys that were reached for and succeeded.

I would have to think about the fall vs. reach thing. I agree with you in principle, I have seen guys fall and beome quite good frequently.

However, I hope you are not drawing a parallel between Jordan and Williams. I think to compare Rick Brunson to Williams is more apt.

oohah

Asolutely not comparing Williams to Jordan, just the principle that the best players aren't always taken #1, and that good players do fall. Also, like I said, players that are reached for usually don't work out, while I can name dozens of players that fall and are good to great players.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 06-29-2006 12:33 PM]

Dozens?

oohah

Posted by s3231:

I think there is a notion around here that with these two picks we just became a good defensive team. You don't become a good defensive team because of two rookies. I like that Isiah targeted defensive guys but come on.

You guys argue that all we need is defense. Its not true at all. We need so many things right now that sometimes you have to take the best talent available. Say what you want about how many PG's we have and how many guys we have in our backcourt, but none of them will ever be a starting PG on a very good team. Marcus has the potential to be just that. He is an excellent decision maker, great passer, clutch player, etc. This guy is a basketball player period. When you have a team like ours that needs help in so many areas, I just don't see how you can pass up on a guy like this.

I've supported Isiah a lot in the past but I just don't see how you can stick up for the guy this time.