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PhilinLA
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6/29/2006  1:34 AM
Posted by Rich:

Frye will be the shooter.

We're gonna score plenty if we bring back the pick and pops that Larry inexplicably eschewed during his reign of error.
http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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6/29/2006  1:36 AM
Posted by Rich:

Frye will be the shooter.


I hope so, really could use a SF who shoots lights out though if we want to win a lot games

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06-29-2006 01:36 AM]
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Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by Rich:

Frye will be the shooter.

We're gonna score plenty if we bring back the pick and pops that Larry inexplicably eschewed during his reign of error.

I hope so. Draft night is basically a popularity contest and we came up short in that... I didn't see Balkman play at all. But Isiah and Suhr have tremendous draft history, particularly with defensive bigs (Camby, Big Ben, Rodman, Lee) so I'm willing to wait and see on Renaldo.
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6/29/2006  1:39 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by Rich:

Frye will be the shooter.

We're gonna score plenty if we bring back the pick and pops that Larry inexplicably eschewed during his reign of error.

I hope so. Draft night is basically a popularity contest and we came up short in that... I didn't see Balkman play at all. But Isiah and Suhr have tremendous draft history, particularly with defensive bigs (Camby, Big Ben, Rodman, Lee) so I'm willing to wait and see on Renaldo.

Suhr went to the same high school as I did (some years before). He can't be all bad.
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6/29/2006  1:41 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Rich:

Frye will be the shooter.


I hope so, really could use a SF who shoots lights out though if we want to win a lot games

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06-29-2006 01:36 AM]

be careful what you wish for, you just might get Al Harrington or Darius Miles...
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6/29/2006  1:45 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by Rich:

Frye will be the shooter.

We're gonna score plenty if we bring back the pick and pops that Larry inexplicably eschewed during his reign of error.

I hope so. Draft night is basically a popularity contest and we came up short in that... I didn't see Balkman play at all. But Isiah and Suhr have tremendous draft history, particularly with defensive bigs (Camby, Big Ben, Rodman, Lee) so I'm willing to wait and see on Renaldo.
Do you get MSG Network? These kids look SMART and Balkman is a sick fricking athlete. In one clip he saves a ball from going out of bounds, calls TO while he's in the air, then lands on his back on the scorer's table. Very Rodman/Artest. He seems very strong.
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6/29/2006  1:48 AM
i don't think anybody hates balkman. i think people just don't understand why he was taken at #20.
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NYT recap of the draft:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/29/sports/basketball/29knicks.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

For the Knicks, the Jeers Start Early and Don't Stop

By HOWARD BECK
Published: June 29, 2006

GREENBURGH, N.Y., June 28 — After all the Knicks' recent mayhem and misery, Isiah Thomas would like to look forward. But draft night detoured into a referendum on the immediate past, and a stinging reminder of the franchise's failures.

Angry chants began echoing through the Theater at Madison Square Garden before a single player was chosen in Wednesday night's N.B.A. draft, prompting Commissioner David Stern to remark from the dais, "This is a very rowdy crowd."

Two hours later, the Knicks chose Renaldo Balkman, a 6-foot-8 forward from South Carolina, with the 20th selection. The home crowd booed. The Knicks later took Mardy Collins, a 6-6 guard from Temple, with the 29th pick.

But it is the pick the Knicks did not make that inspired chants from the disenchanted. The Knicks earned the No. 2 pick with a 23-59 season, but it went to the Chicago Bulls as part of last year's Eddy Curry deal.

A chant of "Where's our draft pick?" broke out just before the Bulls selected, followed by a mock chant of "Eddy Curry." Chicago drafted LaMarcus Aldridge, a 6-11 forward from Texas, and later traded him to Portland for Tyrus Thomas, a 6-9 forward from Louisiana State. While Knicks fans winced, Isiah Thomas did not.

"No, because I stand here before you today in all honesty and I say I would still rather have Eddy Curry than any player in this draft," said Thomas, the Knicks' president and coach. "And every G.M. polled would take Eddy Curry in this draft. And if we had the second pick, I would have traded the second pick in the draft for Eddy Curry."

What the Knicks did obtain were two defensive specialists who can guard the perimeter, a skill the Knicks sorely lacked last season.

A junior last season, Balkman led the Gamecocks to the N.I.T. championship and was named the most outstanding player of the tournament, purely for his defense. His hustle, tireless effort and rebounding have earned comparisons to Dennis Rodman, Ron Artest and Jerome Williams.

"Going into the draft, we wanted to get defenders," said Thomas, who last week added the head coach title to his résumé after the Knicks fired Larry Brown. "Balkman is a very unique talent, a very unique player. He reminds me a lot of a Rodman or Artest kind of player with his energy, with his defensive abilities."

Balkman is not a scorer — he averaged 9.6 points a game last season — but as Thomas noted, "We have enough offense."

Balkman's defensive statistics were more telling: 6.3 rebounds, 1.3 blocks and 1.7 steals in 25.7 minutes a game. Although he was benched late in the season because of turnovers and inconsistency, Thomas called him "the guy that we wanted coming into the draft."

Fans at the Theater booed the selection. They chanted for Connecticut point guard Marcus Williams, who was later taken by the Nets. Balkman was not even included in the N.B.A.'s official draft guide, which profiled 133 players. The ESPN analyst Jay Bilas scoffed that Balkman was a second-round pick.

Thomas disagreed. He said the Phoenix Suns were ready to grab Balkman with the 21st pick. The Knicks were more confident that Collins or another player they liked would be available at No. 29.

Collins has played mostly point guard, but is regarded as a strong defender who can play both backcourt positions.

"He has good skills, he has a good understanding and a good feel for the position," Thomas said.

The Knicks now have six guards, but they are expected to trade at least one of them — most likely Steve Francis or Quentin Richardson — this summer.

There were several chants of "Fire Isiah" — a sentiment that came just two days after Thomas was given a one-year deadline by management to show progress or lose his job. Fans also made derogatory chants referring to James L. Dolan, the Garden chairman.

"I've been in sports all my life and I've been called a lot of bad names growing up on the west side of Chicago," Thomas sad. "And being in an arena where people jeer and shout and say bad things about you, that's all right."

The two picks used by the Knicks on Wednesday were the result of previous trades by Thomas. The 20th selection, which originally belonged to Denver, was acquired from Toronto when the Knicks swapped Antonio Davis for Jalen Rose in February. The 29th pick came from San Antonio as part of last year's trade of Nazr Mohammed.

Before the draft, about two dozen angry fans chanting, "Sell the Knicks," held a protest march that began at a Midtown bar and ended at the Garden. It was a smaller turnout than organizers had hoped.

REBOUNDS

The N.B.A. confirmed it has received an appeal from Larry Brown's representatives challenging the Knicks' refusal to pay him. Brown, the Knicks' former coach, had $40 million left on his contract when he was fired last week. Knicks officials allege that Brown breached the contract by failing to follow company policies. Commissioner David Stern will serve as arbitrator in the dispute. A hearing has not yet been scheduled. Stern can award or deny Brown his full contract, or choose any amount between zero and $40 million. ... Mark Aguirre, a Knicks assistant, will coach the summer-league team in Las Vegas next week.
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6/29/2006  1:52 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't think anybody hates balkman. i think people just don't understand why he was taken at #20.



DJ aren't you big on character and defense? Why did you want Marcus Williams? He is a one dimensional player with a big mark against his personal history! Even if he did play, which he would not, his defense is terrible. He is not a good shooter.

Say what you want about Marbury or Francis, or anyone else on the past Knicks team of 2005-2006 (Except Q2), noone has ever accused them of being a thief, which shows a very low moral character.

What is so good about this guy?

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Posted by oohah:
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't think anybody hates balkman. i think people just don't understand why he was taken at #20.



DJ aren't you big on character and defense? Why did you want Marcus Williams? He is a one dimensional player with a big mark against his personal history! Even if he did play, which he would not, his defense is terrible. He is not a good shooter.

Say what you want about Marbury or Francis, or anyone else on the past Knicks team of 2005-2006 (Except Q2), noone has ever accused them of being a thief, which shows a very low moral character.

What is so good about this guy?

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i am big on character and defense. and yes, marcus provides none. but what he has shown is the ability to run a team and hit big shots. he's shown that he's pass first and if we are really implementing an uptempo system, those skills would come in handy.

but i would still draft him b/c he's a more valuable player than balkman. i don't think balkman is going to get any significant minutes this year. and even if marcus got ZERO minutes, he's still more valuable in trades.

i think this is a situation that you have to adjust to. nobody predicted marcus to drop here, just like nobody predicted jameer to drop. but orlando jumped on it and made a trade with denver to take him there. and with all the picks being moved around or sold or trade for future picks, if we wanted this guy, we could've obtained another pick, like pheonix' which was sold for cash.

he brought something that we didn't have so he wasn't redundant.
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6/29/2006  2:01 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't think anybody hates balkman. i think people just don't understand why he was taken at #20.



DJ aren't you big on character and defense? Why did you want Marcus Williams? He is a one dimensional player with a big mark against his personal history! Even if he did play, which he would not, his defense is terrible. He is not a good shooter.

Say what you want about Marbury or Francis, or anyone else on the past Knicks team of 2005-2006 (Except Q2), noone has ever accused them of being a thief, which shows a very low moral character.

What is so good about this guy?

oohah


because he's even bigger on being able to create plays
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i am big on character and defense. and yes, marcus provides none. but what he has shown is the ability to run a team and hit big shots. he's shown that he's pass first and if we are really implementing an uptempo system, those skills would come in handy.

but i would still draft him b/c he's a more valuable player than balkman. i don't think balkman is going to get any significant minutes this year. and even if marcus got ZERO minutes, he's still more valuable in trades.

i think this is a situation that you have to adjust to. nobody predicted marcus to drop here, just like nobody predicted jameer to drop. but orlando jumped on it and made a trade with denver to take him there. and with all the picks being moved around or sold or trade for future picks, if we wanted this guy, we could've obtained another pick, like pheonix' which was sold for cash.

he brought something that we didn't have so he wasn't redundant.

Well I think the Knicks dodged a fat, thieving, no defense bullet. I haven't seen much of Balkman, but his skillset is contributory as much as a ball distributor.

I think the fact that Williams dropped as far as he did means he is not quite the asset he is made out to be, and after he gets no time for the next year his value will be even lower.

I too have said I don't want any more bad characters around the team, but it seems that all the guys who were ripping our team for its poor character and attitude have had a complete turnaround in philosophy!

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6/29/2006  2:09 AM
because he's even bigger on being able to create plays

Especially when he has 3 or 4 of the most talented players in the country to throw it to. That's another reason he is much better of in New Jersey, he'll be dishing to Carter, Jefferson, etc. to finish the plays.

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As so many have been fond to point out when criticizing Marbury and others on the Knicks, there are two sides to the court.

Williams would instantly be the worst defensive player on the team.

Let's theoretically say he would be the best disher on the team, which is dubious when you have Marbury. He still is not a good shooter, and he won't be able to break down guys the way he did in college. I think he will have trouble getting his shot off in fact.

The more I think about it, the more I like choosing any player that was available oiver M Williams.

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[Edited by - oohah on 06-29-2006 02:11 AM]
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6/29/2006  2:13 AM
I just saw the clips on MSG and I think these are solid adds. People were big on getting Tyrus Thomas - is it possible that Curry and Balkman in the front court can be more effective? Curry/Frye/Lee/Balkman will make for a versatile, interesting front court. Lee and Balkman have motors, can rebound and run. Frye and Curry are scorers who are hard to stop. Let's see if Zeke can make it work.
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6/29/2006  2:17 AM
Did you notice their vision, oportunism and smarts?
http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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6/29/2006  2:19 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

I just saw the clips on MSG and I think these are solid adds. People were big on getting Tyrus Thomas - is it possible that Curry and Balkman in the front court can be more effective? Curry/Frye/Lee/Balkman will make for a versatile, interesting front court. Lee and Balkman have motors, can rebound and run. Frye and Curry are scorers who are hard to stop. Let's see if Zeke can make it work.

Balkman is 6-6 205 when he gets into the BL where guys weigh 30-100 pounds more than him, he will be exposed. the average nba player is 6-7 220 hes a very small SF
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6/29/2006  2:20 AM
Posted by PhilinLA:

Did you notice their vision, oportunism and smarts?

I'm not going to judge that on a few clips, but I'm also not going to act like I know more about scouting than Thomas and Suhr who have a pretty impressive record. I'm not unhappy with the draft. I'd like to see some of the cancers removed from the squad now. I really hope keeping Francis is not the plan.
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6/29/2006  2:21 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by PhilinLA:

Did you notice their vision, oportunism and smarts?

I'm not going to judge that on a few clips, but I'm also not going to act like I know more about scouting than Thomas and Suhr who have a pretty impressive record. I'm not unhappy with the draft. I'd like to see some of the cancers removed from the squad now. I really hope keeping Francis is not the plan.
The clips confirmed a bunch that had been noted about them elsewhere.

http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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Posted by BRIGGS:
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I just saw the clips on MSG and I think these are solid adds. People were big on getting Tyrus Thomas - is it possible that Curry and Balkman in the front court can be more effective? Curry/Frye/Lee/Balkman will make for a versatile, interesting front court. Lee and Balkman have motors, can rebound and run. Frye and Curry are scorers who are hard to stop. Let's see if Zeke can make it work.

Balkman is 6-6 205 when he gets into the BL where guys weigh 30-100 pounds more than him, he will be exposed. the average nba player is 6-7 220 hes a very small SF

Balkman is listed at 6'6.5" with a 8'8/5" standing reach and a 7'2" wingspan and a motor. you can't get too caught up in measurements - you have to look at game play. Ben Wallace is probably closer to 6'7" than the 6'8" he's listed at, it's about how you play.
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Posted by PhilinLA:
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Posted by PhilinLA:

Did you notice their vision, oportunism and smarts?

I'm not going to judge that on a few clips, but I'm also not going to act like I know more about scouting than Thomas and Suhr who have a pretty impressive record. I'm not unhappy with the draft. I'd like to see some of the cancers removed from the squad now. I really hope keeping Francis is not the plan.
The clips confirmed a bunch that had been noted about them elsewhere.


ever see david noel play--i dont mean a few clips but actually watch GAMES? Ive watched both players and there is NO doubt in my mind that Noel is a BETTER scrap type player than this guy better at every faet with a real NBA body and MUCH MUCH MUCH more athletic with better skills
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Isiah explains his picks on MSG

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