Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by BRIGGS:

[he scored 3 OR LESS points EIGHT times this year and for all of his rebounding prowless he mamaged double figures 6 times. and as for character, well, give him time hes no angel

thats putrid

the LAST thing we need is more offense. we need defense. maybe this guy can help.

but still even Bruce Bowen can hit a shot. There's a good chance this good be Ariza all over again. Actually it won be. he can at least dribble the ball

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by BRIGGS:

[he scored 3 OR LESS points EIGHT times this year and for all of his rebounding prowless he mamaged double figures 6 times. and as for character, well, give him time hes no angel

thats putrid

the LAST thing we need is more offense. we need defense. maybe this guy can help.

but still even Bruce Bowen can hit a shot. There's a good chance this good be Ariza all over again. Actually it won be. he can at least dribble the ball

Bowen didn't develop a jumper until he'd been in the league for years. this guy is not a perimeter player, he's an active 6'7" interior guy. people were all about Reggie Evans - Balkman could easily be Reggie Evans and more.

if the knicks can get off to a 4-14 start or something of that ilk--hopefully the goodbyes can be quick
the faster isiah is gone, the better

Hey Briggs, in 2 years when you are wrong, are you just going to pretend you never said it and ignore when people ask you about it like you always do?

oohah

This is hilarious. Hey, If we keep this thread going for another 3 or 4 pages, Balkman will be a 6"1 Center. So far he's gone from a 6"8 SF to a 6"5 PF, but hey, the skys the limit.

he scored 3 OR LESS points EIGHT times this year and for all of his rebounding prowless he mamaged double figures 6 times. and as for character, well, give him time hes no angel

What does that mean? You mean you're hoping he turns into a hirrible person? A thief perhaps? Will your opinion change then?

BRIGGS, you're getting so bogged down with your UConn fanship, that you've turned into a raving lunatic.

20 teams passed on some fat Non-shooting PG, and youre taking it personally. A little nonUConn-biased objectivity perhaps?

[Edited by - firefly on 06-29-2006 07:42 AM]

Check back 2 weeks into the season when your all loving this guy for being everywhere on the court. He's not a scorer, but he'll give you a couple blocks, a couple steals, 8 rebounds and will make hustle plays and saves. NO ONE on the Knicks was willing do that last year. He can run and maybe he'll find himself a niche offensively like Bruce Bowen.

Posted by firefly:

This is hilarious. Hey, If we keep this thread going for another 3 or 4 pages, Balkman will be a 6"1 Center. So far he's gone from a 6"8 SF to a 6"5 PF, but hey, the skys the limit.

he scored 3 OR LESS points EIGHT times this year and for all of his rebounding prowless he mamaged double figures 6 times. and as for character, well, give him time hes no angel

What does that mean? You mean you're hoping he turns into a hirrible person? A thief perhaps?

LMAO!

Posted by EwingsGlass:

What happens if you are wrong?

don't worry... he'll figure out a way to spin it around to claim he's right anyway... that's his MO.

Originally posted by BRIGGS:

Mark it down. In a league that is heavily reliant upon skills, a player like this is a dinosaur. Unless you are a 7 foot shot blocker the scrapper is a position that is going wayside. But when you take pick 50 at 20 dont you expect backlash?

Normally you would. If Scott Layden made this pick, everyone would've hated it. Since it was Isiah, some take the attitude that it must be good because Isiah did it. Seems like a double-standard. You have to expect backlash for such a reach.

An analogy would be being in a class. Let's say you have a C in the class. The teacher is being nice, though, and offers to bump your grade up if you complete a simple extra credit assignment. Instead, you choose not to do the extra credit and you sleep through the final. You get an F.

Originally posted by TMS:

[quote]Originally posted by Solace:

Solace, the reason some people are keeping an open mind about Isiah's pick is because he's had a good past history of drafting good talent in the recent past for this organization... Scott Layden's draft picks for this organization all have not amounted to jack squat in the NBA... is Mike Sweetney at #9 a value pick in your eyes? it isn't to me... Maciej Lampe? Milos Vujanic? Slavko Vranes? have they done anything in the NBA to date? in comparison, i think Isiah's earned at least the benefit of the doubt from last year's draft... let's see how this guy Balkman turns out before we bash him... he could be a nice player we all end up liking... who knows? if he's a bust, then that's the time you can rag on Isiah for making the pick.

Unfair comparisons. Sweetney was considered the BPA at the time at #9. I still would take Sweetney back on the Knicks as the backup PF in a heartbeat. I know you hate Sweetney for some reason, but yo'uve consistently hated him since the day he was drafted. That's fine, but others would disagree. The only other option would've been Collison, who hasn't turned into much either. Lampe at #30 was a steal and was a major piece in our trade to get Marbury. Vujanic at #36 was a steal. Vujanic never came over, but that was because he was roadblocked by the Knicks having THREE point guards and then roadblocked by Steve Nash. He was only coming here to be a starter, but he wasn't given an opportunity to even go to a team where he could get minutes.

Slavko wound up being a bad pick, but at #39 it's not unreasonable to take a project and have him bust. If we took Balkman at #39, nobody has any complaints. Again, the bashing isn't against Balkman. It's against Isiah for taking him AT SUCH A REACH.

Layden got guys who could've gone lottery and did it with high second rounders. Isiah used late first rounders and got guys who could've gone late second round. That's the difference and it's a huge one.

Posted by Solace:

Originally posted by TMS:

[quote]Originally posted by Solace:

Solace, the reason some people are keeping an open mind about Isiah's pick is because he's had a good past history of drafting good talent in the recent past for this organization... Scott Layden's draft picks for this organization all have not amounted to jack squat in the NBA... is Mike Sweetney at #9 a value pick in your eyes? it isn't to me... Maciej Lampe? Milos Vujanic? Slavko Vranes? have they done anything in the NBA to date? in comparison, i think Isiah's earned at least the benefit of the doubt from last year's draft... let's see how this guy Balkman turns out before we bash him... he could be a nice player we all end up liking... who knows? if he's a bust, then that's the time you can rag on Isiah for making the pick.

Unfair comparisons. Sweetney was considered the BPA at the time at #9. I still would take Sweetney back on the Knicks as the backup PF in a heartbeat. I know you hate Sweetney for some reason, but yo'uve consistently hated him since the day he was drafted. That's fine, but others would disagree. The only other option would've been Collison, who hasn't turned into much either. Lampe at #30 was a steal and was a major piece in our trade to get Marbury. Vujanic at #36 was a steal. Vujanic never came over, but that was because he was roadblocked by the Knicks having THREE point guards and then roadblocked by Steve Nash. He was only coming here to be a starter, but he wasn't given an opportunity to even go to a team where he could get minutes.

Slavko wound up being a bad pick, but at #39 it's not unreasonable to take a project and have him bust. If we took Balkman at #39, nobody has any complaints. Again, the bashing isn't against Balkman. It's against Isiah for taking him AT SUCH A REACH.

Layden got guys who could've gone lottery and did it with high second rounders. Isiah used late first rounders and got guys who could've gone late second round. That's the difference and it's a huge one.

All I want to know is..... are you saying that Layden is a better drafter then Isiah? Think about your credibility before you answer.

[Edited by - firefly on 06-29-2006 11:27 AM]