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Anji
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6/28/2006  3:28 PM
No offence, but I'll be damned if I would carry around from different forums post from another poster like it's the words of Jesus CHirst!!!!!!!! LOL.


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6/28/2006  3:30 PM
Originally posted by Anji:

No offence, but I'll be damned if I would carry around from different forums post from another poster like it's the words of Jesus CHirst!!!!!!!! LOL.
Apostles for the great "TupacNBig#1"
or "Profes>HotSauc"-Witnesses
RoFL!!!!!!!!

um, wut??
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6/28/2006  3:38 PM
You guys that just insist on blindly supporting LB and blasting Isiah and Steph just kill me. Tell me how you can ignore the fact that from day one LB wasn't trying to win games? What's your funny line about that. How do justify his 42 Starting lineups, Playing guys in their hometowns, saying that he wasn't as concerned with wins and losses, taking our kids out of games they fought to get the team back into, not playing Frye and Lee as much as they desereved, keeping Jamal on the bench and starting QRich who SUCKED all year ... you can just go on and on.

The man didn't do his damn job and he made things WORSE than they should've been. How can you give this guy a pass on that?
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6/28/2006  3:39 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by crzymdups:

for that matter, what's wrong with firing a coach who does a horrible job?

I can at least respect Dolan if he said "larry sucks, he's fired for his record"!

But the weaseling going on for the last 46 days is really pathetic.

Somewhat agree. But, for me, it's the REASONS behind/that lead to the poor record that are the most disturbing and reasons that cannot go ignored. Whether or not they hold any weight concerning a contract breach by LB is still up in the air (my guess is they probably won't) but the fact remains Dolan and Isiah have outlined their position pretty clearly here. Larry has yet to refute anything and I don't buy the fact that he can't talk because of some pending hearing over money owed to him. That's utter crap. If someone questions your decision-making, ability and loyalty they way they have, you stand up for yourself. You defend yourself. You tell your side, unless there really isn't anything to say. The contract is what it is. It was a contract that governed coach Brown WHILE HE WAS STILL A KNICKS EMPLOYEE. Well you know what, he isn't one anymore. How the hell does Larry speaking now and telling his side, days after he was let go, have any bearing whatsoever on whether he gets his money or not. Absurd. Larry's silence is deafening here folks. You only have to look at his baffling mad scientist routine day in and day out last year to see why Knick management and a good portion of Knick fans felt completely betrayed (I know I sure as **** did). The proof is in the pudding and I for one will never give Larry Brown a pass for what he did to us.
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6/28/2006  3:49 PM
Posted by Solace:
Originally posted by Anji:

No offence, but I'll be damned if I would carry around from different forums post from another poster like it's the words of Jesus CHirst!!!!!!!! LOL.
Apostles for the great "TupacNBig#1"
or "Profes>HotSauc"-Witnesses
RoFL!!!!!!!!

um, wut??
I Don't know.........

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6/28/2006  4:19 PM
Posted by nixluva:

You guys that just insist on blindly supporting LB and blasting Isiah and Steph just kill me. Tell me how you can ignore the fact that from day one LB wasn't trying to win games? What's your funny line about that. How do justify his 42 Starting lineups, Playing guys in their hometowns, saying that he wasn't as concerned with wins and losses, taking our kids out of games they fought to get the team back into, not playing Frye and Lee as much as they desereved, keeping Jamal on the bench and starting QRich who SUCKED all year ... you can just go on and on.

The man didn't do his damn job and he made things WORSE than they should've been. How can you give this guy a pass on that?

The same could be said for you, you blindly support Isiah Thomas and he's been nothing short of terrible of in New York. Yes the man before him was terrible too but that doesnt give him an excuse to not put lottery protection on #1 picks especially coming off of a year where you drafted #7 overall. When you rebuild its not about wins and losses its far from that, its about Brown getting guys he thinks he can work with and keep them on the team, I don't know why so many of you have such a problem with that, probably becuase you like Marbury and you don't want him off the team.

No ones giving Larry Brown a pass on the past season, we've all said he did a bad job but I expected it to go this way, its happened everywhere Brown goes, the team is horrible his first year but he accomplishes alot in that first year becuase he picks out who he likes and doesn't like and go from there. How come when it comes to New York we are always excited to bring people in but once they get here we don't allow them to do things the way they get paid to do them, instead we boo them and want them to do things our way. Well guess what, the Knicks way doesn't work and Larry Browns way has worked in the past. I still don't know how you can say that Frye and Lee didn't play as much as they deserved, Frye played 24mpg and Lee 16mpg, thats alot of time to give rookies who have done nothing in this league.

You keep saying we blindly support Larry and thats not true, we just prefer him to the GM who has been horrid as a GM here and with Toronto and that's who YOUR blindly supporting.
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6/28/2006  4:23 PM
I don't think you can say anybody is "supporting" isiah, it's more "defending" him against angry fans that miss LB.
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6/28/2006  4:35 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

I don't think you can say anybody is "supporting" isiah, it's more "defending" him against angry fans that miss LB.

I don't think you can say anybody is "supporting" LB, it's more "defending" him against angry fans that love Isiah.
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6/28/2006  4:44 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by rvhoss:

I don't think you can say anybody is "supporting" isiah, it's more "defending" him against angry fans that miss LB.

I don't think you can say anybody is "supporting" LB, it's more "defending" him against angry fans that love Isiah.

OK so how do you defend his actions? i've yet to hear any valid explanations for what he did to this franchise this year. Isiah can be accused of making mistakes, but he was TRYING to help this team become a WINNER. LB on the other hand stands accused of doing the opposite and the evidence tends to support that accusation. SO what do you guys have to say about that?
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6/28/2006  4:48 PM
I just said it in the post, I guess you didn't read it. LB was rebuilding a franchise that needed rebuilding, weeding players out that he didn't want here and we shouldn't want here because along with doing nothing here, they've doing nothing their whole careers.
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6/28/2006  5:11 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by crzymdups:

for that matter, what's wrong with firing a coach who does a horrible job?

I can at least respect Dolan if he said "larry sucks, he's fired for his record"!

But the weaseling going on for the last 46 days is really pathetic.

that's valid. the wait was a joke, but it wouldn't have been if it wasn't for the massive media system we have in the city that pounces on whatever they hear and prints it without remorse. remember the Mike Fratello is already hired COVER story that ran in the Daily News? these guys have few scruples because they're all competing for attention from readers.

As i've said before, and I think Isiah's reaction to being named coach somewhat confirms this (DJ as well confirmed this from his garden sources in another thread) - I don't think Isiah wanted Brown to be fired, I think he wanted to try to make it work because he KNEW Brown was his last chance to maintain credibility and save his own career. I think the wait was to try and calm Dolan down and give Brown a chance. supposedly, Dolan did give Brown a small small sliver of a chance to make things work, but by then things were too far gone and Brown had been publicly embarassed too much to stay.

obviously, I am no fan of the way Brown operates as a person and I think Isiah will do a better job than Brown as a coach - tailoring the game plan to suit his talent, not vice versa. But that doesn't mean I think any of this crap was handled gracefully. but again, I think the NY media greatly contributes to this lack of grace.
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6/28/2006  6:16 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I just said it in the post, I guess you didn't read it. LB was rebuilding a franchise that needed rebuilding, weeding players out that he didn't want here and we shouldn't want here because along with doing nothing here, they've doing nothing their whole careers.

That's fine. OK. But the "weeding" out process should NEVER, I REPEAT NEVER take more than a few weeks into the season to establish your regular rotation. After a full training camp, multiple preseason games and a full NBA season this guy Brown still had absolutely no idea what he had. I mean does anyone disagree with that statement??? He was playing ALL 12 GUYS EVERY DAMN NIGHT!!! How the heck do you do that and expect any kind of stability or continuity doing that? How the heck do you define guys roles like that? Answer is YOU DON'T! And he didn't. And it's not like he's some brand new coach coming out of college - he's been around the NBA for years now. He knows these players. He knows damn well Mo Taylor and Jerome James are dogs - why even play these guys at all? They should've never got off the bench. Period. And Malik Rose.... Come on now.. Good guy I'm sure, but how is he allowed to take any playing time away from Frye or Lee, the future of the team? You stated in an earlier post, "...Frye played 24mpg and Lee 16mpg, thats alot of time to give rookies who have done nothing in this league." 24 mins and 16 mins.??? That's nothing. THEY SHOULD'VE PLAYED MORE!!! If you got a Shaq, a Mailman, a Timmy Duncan...OK. There gonna have to wait their turn. But Mo Taylor and Malik Rose taking away time from these guys? You gotta be kidding me. I won't even go into his other misfires (how he totally mishandled Marbury, Ariza, his wacky comments to the press, etc.). It's all well documented so I won't even belabor it anymore...

And another thing I'm sick of hearing - the first year on Larry's teams aren't usually that successful. nyk4ever you state, "...its happened everywhere Brown goes, the team is horrible his first year but he accomplishes alot in that first year becuase he picks out who he likes and doesn't like and go from there." Huh? WTF is that all about? It's such a crutch it's not even funny. God that is such nonsense. Ask Isiah if he's afforded the same luxury now. No, instead Zeke's been pressed into double duty and called out on TV by his boss when he should be upstairs working the phones, getting ready for the draft, continuing to get "younger and more athletic" (which he has accomplished since he's been here btw). Defend the guy 'till the cows come home if you want. The bottom line is he failed miserably here and doesn't deserve anyone's sympathy.

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