hmm, maybe Ive gone insane since everyone else seems to disagree with me, but I think that mo t, plus both our picks for harrington is a really good trade for us.

Most of our team is younger than 27, so why is adding a SF/PF who is also around the same age but has experience and talent, a bad thing? We dont' need to start over, we already HAVE started the process of remaking this team.

Jalen and Mo are gone this year. We may not see Butler and Woods back. James may be bought out or relegated to the end of the bench if he's not in top shape this year. Malik is likely already gonna see very few minutes next yr. Francis looks like he's also on the trading block.

Curry, Frye, Jamal, Nate, Lee and Steph are the players that I think Isiah most wants to keep and we'd still have QRich. Adding AH to that group would give us a solid 8 men. Then Perhaps we can trade Francis to the T'Wolves for some solid role players on the bench.

Steph, Jamal, AH, Frye and Curry isn't a bad starting five.

If it was a resigned Al for Mo or Jalen and a SINGLE pick(29), ok.
For both picks I want at least a second rounder in this draft coming our way.

Also I want this under the condition Al is here to play the SF spot. I still think we need a guard and if I was Isiah I would try to peddle Francis to Minny for crap contracts and the 6 where we may be able to pick Brandon Roy....

Steph
Roy
Harrington
Frye
Curry

Posted by McK1:

Al is too slow to play the 3 full time

I think he can if he can split 2/5 time at PF and 3/5 at small forward it will be ideal.

Posted by nixluva:

I'm not sure I understand why there is so much resistance to adding Harrington. He's only 26 and hittting his stride as a player. In 36.6mpg, he's avg'ing 18.6ppg, 6.8 reb, 3 ast, on 45% shooting, 34% from 3 and 69% FT's. He seems capable of filling our needs at SF for a long while. While he's not great, he's pretty good. He also can defend pretty well. If the cost isn't too high, I'd have no problem with him.

Curry, Frye, Harrington, Lee and Butler isn't a bad group of Frontcourt players. Frye can slide over to Center if we wanted. We could go with the player we draft and wait years to watch him grow to the level that Harrington is at now, but why do that?

Why?

A. To many players on one team who need the ball. You're looking at numbers, and if it were avg#s that won games, we wouldnt have won 23. All of these good teams have cohesion players--guys who do other things than score to win games. We dont have that and acquiring Al Harrington does nothing for chemistry but make it worse. We have to many egos as is, and there are no Shaqs to keep them in line.

B.Al Harrington is NOT a max player. The worst sin these guys keep making is overpaying and compounding mistakes by adding huge future payroll, making players impossible to move.

C. Hes been an injury player. He ripped his ACL prior to the NBA and hes had tendonitis in that knee three years running which has made him miss 24 games over 3 years.
D. He hasnt made his teams better--he went to Atlanta to become a numbers guy.
E. Why does a rookie need to take 3 years to develop if they are not a HS player? David Lee at 30 last year--makes 700k Lee to me can make MORE contributions to TEAM ball then Al Harrington. How about rookies that make an impact and fit in? We have a lot of vets on the team--every time we have traded for a vet its been a terrible misfire.

Posted by McK1:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by McK1:

Al is too slow to play the 3 full time

I think he can if he can split 2/5 time at PF and 3/5 at small forward it will be ideal.

so where do guys like Lee play?

its stupid to even think about adding an Al at this point. I can't believe dolan would allow Isiah to add more longterm payroll. if it doesn't work NY wil have 80 mill commiteed to the 08/09 cap and 9 guaranteed contracts. what sensible person would want to come here and be in charge of this roster post-Isiah.

I have said this before and I still believe it....My BIGGEST fear with what Isiah was doing was he was going to acquire too much young talent. There is no chance we are going to develop it all. I mean look at our roster...

Craw, Nate, Lee, Frye, Butler, Woods, Curry plus another 2 picks this year-that is 9 guys that you can say are actually worthy of developing. That amount of players is a normal contending teams full rotation. You take these 9 guys add Marbury, Franics, and Rose and we are too deep and some of these guys aren't gonna get time. Now adding Harringotn takes another spot ON the position we have the most player depth-Even if we gave up BOTH picks!

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by McK1:

Al is too slow to play the 3 full time

I think he can if he can split 2/5 time at PF and 3/5 at small forward it will be ideal.

so where do guys like Lee play?

its stupid to even think about adding an Al at this point. I can't believe dolan would allow Isiah to add more longterm payroll. if it doesn't work NY wil have 80 mill commiteed to the 08/09 cap and 9 guaranteed contracts. what sensible person would want to come here and be in charge of this roster post-Isiah.

I have said this before and I still believe it....My BIGGEST fear with what Isiah was doing was he was going to acquire too much young talent. There is no chance we are going to develop it all. I mean look at our roster...

Craw, Nate, Lee, Frye, Butler, Woods, Curry plus another 2 picks this year-that is 9 guys that you can say are actually worthy of developing. That amount of players is a normal contending teams full rotation. You take these 9 guys add Marbury, Franics, and Rose and we are too deep and some of these guys aren't gonna get time. Now adding Harringotn takes another spot ON the position we have the most player depth-Even if we gave up BOTH picks!

joe - teams like atlanta have been perpetual lottery teams. they keep getting lotto picks. they keep drafting young kids with potential yet they are right back in the lotto. why? b/c the young kids they draft are not complimentary. and they don't have good enough vets to play ball now while developing those young kids. i fear the situation is very similar here. we are all pumped up about craw, nate, lee, frye, curry and butler. but are they better than childress, smith, salim, joe, and marvin? we need to see how this plays out but "younger and more athletic" is not necessarily a plan.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by McK1:

Al is too slow to play the 3 full time

I think he can if he can split 2/5 time at PF and 3/5 at small forward it will be ideal.

so where do guys like Lee play?

its stupid to even think about adding an Al at this point. I can't believe dolan would allow Isiah to add more longterm payroll. if it doesn't work NY wil have 80 mill commiteed to the 08/09 cap and 9 guaranteed contracts. what sensible person would want to come here and be in charge of this roster post-Isiah.

I have said this before and I still believe it....My BIGGEST fear with what Isiah was doing was he was going to acquire too much young talent. There is no chance we are going to develop it all. I mean look at our roster...

Craw, Nate, Lee, Frye, Butler, Woods, Curry plus another 2 picks this year-that is 9 guys that you can say are actually worthy of developing. That amount of players is a normal contending teams full rotation. You take these 9 guys add Marbury, Franics, and Rose and we are too deep and some of these guys aren't gonna get time. Now adding Harringotn takes another spot ON the position we have the most player depth-Even if we gave up BOTH picks!

joe - teams like atlanta have been perpetual lottery teams. they keep getting lotto picks. they keep drafting young kids with potential yet they are right back in the lotto. why? b/c the young kids they draft are not complimentary. and they don't have good enough vets to play ball now while developing those young kids. i fear the situation is very similar here. we are all pumped up about craw, nate, lee, frye, curry and butler. but are they better than childress, smith, salim, joe, and marvin? we need to see how this plays out but "younger and more athletic" is not necessarily a plan.

I understand that but to my memory only 1 team has actually rebuilt totally through the lotto. Chicago. Atl and LA Clippers have been laughing stocks for years and LA only got better after is started adding complinetary vets and got rid of the superfluous youth. ATL is starting to enter that stage with the Joe Johsnon trade...and now all this talk about the trade they are going to make this draft.

The whole drafting complimentary players is a good point, but the question I have again is about Chi-town. They drafted nothing but short guards from great programs who may or may not compliment each other (Kirk-Kansas, Duhon-Duke, Gordon-UConn), found one of the only, like 3, real gritty Euros(Nocioni), and an underachieving PF/C(Chandler) and almost took out Miami.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 06-26-2006 09:56 AM]

harrington may not be feasible.

this is according to a hawk insider:

*No free agents this offseason. No matter who wins what court hearing, the Hawks people in place now are expecting a very, very long trial and appeals process. What this means to us is that there will be no free agents or outstanding salary added because of the legal ramifications of adding more salary and who would be responsible for paying it. Plus the value it would add or detract to the franchise.

*We are looking at the draft accordingly: trade down to get a point guard and still get a big man (Shelden Williams). The feeling on Shelden is that he may never start for us but we need a big man who can board and play some defense on the interior. Shelden is the most ready to do this and BK feels we have enough "potential" on the team already and we need to start adding more "proven" young guys or rookies to the mix.

*The Houston trade seems very plausible as it addresses the point above. Since we can't add free agents or trade for salary, trading down to get two rookie contracts (Luther Head and Shelden) will give us two young guys with very good college pedigrees.

*Inside the team jaywalker heard firsthand that the situation is bleak. If Belkin gets control of the team almost all of the employees will be fired. Not just big names, going down through the organization to remove anyone "loyal" to the old owners. And it was repeated many times over that Belkin wants to run the team as cheaply as possible and will treat the team as the "Atlanta Clippers" by going with a minimum payroll that the Donald Sterling Clippers did for about twenty years.

*If Belkin takes control, BK and Woodson are 100% fired. Joe Johnson would probably be moved because Belkin never privately approved of his max deal.

*BK has turned down trades that would bring in salary because of the ownership fiasco. It is entirely possible Al Harrington walks for nothing because if we do a sign and trade we still have to bring back salary for him. As noted above, there are legal reasons why the team may not be able to add salary.

*BK has turned down a lot of trade offers that all want the same three players: Josh Smith, Marvin and Childress.

*They won't say it publically but the Atlanta Spirit are very happy BK has avoided overpaying for any talent so far. They really do believe in Joe Johnson and BK will not overpay for anyone just to "convince" them to come to Atlanta.

*Depending on who is calling the shots, expect more pressure to be put on Woodson to run a much more wide open offense this season. The feeling is that with a point guard being brought in (See Hou/Atl trade) and having an inside defensive guy who can run (Shelden) we absolutely have to run an up tempo game to take advantage of our young talent. Woodson's job, even if BK is here, is going to depend on an improvement in the win column and specifically putting out a fan pleasing product to bring in more tickets.