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misterearl
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6/24/2006  9:37 PM
Not So Fast Rich

Q: Where was the drama when the Knicks last won a championship?

A: Yes. There was a documented rift between Holzman and GM Eddie Donovan that played itself out a few years later when Red was fired.

You could look it up
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6/24/2006  9:53 PM
Rich - you REALLY think the Knicks were drama free with GM Al Bianchi and Head Coach John McLeod running the show?

Dark days indeed.
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6/24/2006  10:02 PM
When did Eddie Donovan leave to be the GM of Buffalo?
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6/24/2006  10:06 PM
Found it. He left in 1970. So they won a championship in 1970, and he wasn't there in 1973 when they won again. By the time he came back, Sonny Werblin was making Dolan-like quick fix moves.
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6/24/2006  10:10 PM
Posted by nixluva:

This is a part of the thing that some people overlook about playing uptempo and not running so much clock. Its not wild anything goes offense which leads to other teams fastbreaks. Its just quick hitting when the opportunity presents itself. You don't waste time on every single possession. When you attack, attack all the time, it puts pressure on the other defense.

well next season we'll be running "The Quick"

we'll get to see under Isiah's watch just how suited for a quick thinking offense Marbury Curry Crawford Frye are.
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6/24/2006  10:35 PM
I could see miles helping, but not for anything other than francis/moT.

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6/24/2006  11:03 PM
all good teams can play uptempo and play posession games.

The problem with the team wasn't that they weren't playing uptempo. It was that they didn't have a game play nor did they have a clue what their roles were.

Isiah didn't have Indiana running an uptempo offense. So why is he all of a sudden gonna become don Nelson?

Another thing, marbs is not a full court player. Marbs makes his money breaking down defenses in the half court, pick and roll.

Its just proof that all the negative posters don't even know what they are talking about. Just spewing hate for no reason and have more loyalty to a coach than to the team they supposedly love.

We'll see soon enough.
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6/24/2006  11:12 PM
it's not about up tempo, it's about roles. Isiah sees a role for the players he brough in, he knows exactly how crawford can be put in a position to succeed. This is the kid that scored 50 for the bulls one game.

He's always been thought of a sixth man until he matured to take over for marbury. Look at his salary scale:

05-06 06-07 07-08 08-09 09-10 10-11
Crawford $6,525,000 $7,250,000 $7,975,000 $8,700,000 $9,425,000 $10,150,000


He's not slated to make over $10 million until AFTER marbury is off the cap.

He was supposed to be able to back up both marbury and houston.

He'll be the sixth man (unless he's miraculously transformed into a consistent starter). (maybe that's why he was the only one brown started consistently down the stretch, to get zeke's goat, how did that leak that he was getting traded to the nuggets?)

Qrich will be the starter if he's here, but who ever isiah puts in his starting backcourt, they will be proven starters. So if we don't move somebody, then somebody has to be gary payton to crawfords wade (if crawford can not have a 30 point half against the sonics, but have several 30 point games).

I think he sees exactly how channing frye, eddy curry and david lee can be used on this current team. He knows how nate can help, he knows Marbury's temperment.

The roles will be clearly defined heading into the season and will be like that until somebody gets hurt or plays himself out of the starting lineup over the course of a few games as opposed to this last year when it was minutes, sometimes seconds.


[Edited by - rvhoss on 06-24-2006 11:14 PM]

[Edited by - rvhoss on 06-24-2006 11:15 PM]
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6/24/2006  11:30 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

all good teams can play uptempo and play posession games.

The problem with the team wasn't that they weren't playing uptempo. It was that they didn't have a game play nor did they have a clue what their roles were.

Isiah didn't have Indiana running an uptempo offense. So why is he all of a sudden gonna become don Nelson?

Another thing, marbs is not a full court player. Marbs makes his money breaking down defenses in the half court, pick and roll.

Its just proof that all the negative posters don't even know what they are talking about. Just spewing hate for no reason and have more loyalty to a coach than to the team they supposedly love.

We'll see soon enough.

where's your proof?

referencing the Quick is just that. Its idiot Brown-bashers who believe Isiah has built Suns East and Larry just couldn't adjust.


[Edited by - McK1 on 06-24-2006 11:31 PM]
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6/25/2006  12:20 AM
The brown bashers want the team to play to the strengths of the players.

I had that in my signature practically the whole season until I changed it this month. If only we could type in brail. The games should be free too so you guys can afford a cable subscription and actually watch a game rather than base arguments on a coaches track record.
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6/25/2006  12:56 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

The brown bashers want the team to play to the strengths of the players.

I had that in my signature practically the whole season until I changed it this month. If only we could type in brail. The games should be free too so you guys can afford a cable subscription and actually watch a game rather than base arguments on a coaches track record.

Yeah then you could watch and realize that Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis have been teamkillers their whole careers and thats not going to change just becuase they are in New York and Isiah Thomas is going to be coaching.
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6/25/2006  1:20 AM
Brown's failing as coach just weigh more on Isiah's incompetence as PBO.

Isiah admitted back at seasons beginning most of the guys here Larry probably wouldn't have traded for and that statement included the draft picks.

Isiah prior to hiring Larry had to know this roster vs what Larry needs = total mismatch. During the courting Larry tells Isiah I'll try. Its 50 mill and the Knicks coaching job being waived in his face. With Larry's I'll try I'm sure one came right back from Isiah. Perhaps both guys had there fingers crossed. In the end Isiah did the hiring.

what I really wonder is how deep the negotiations with Phil went. Prolly no I'll tries and more no desire to coach Steph. Isiah likely thought he chose the lesser of two evils with Brown and an I'll try. In his world it seems the downside of his moves doesn't exist. the gambling fool thought wrong

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-25-2006 01:21 AM]
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6/25/2006  1:22 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by EnySpree:

The brown bashers want the team to play to the strengths of the players.

I had that in my signature practically the whole season until I changed it this month. If only we could type in brail. The games should be free too so you guys can afford a cable subscription and actually watch a game rather than base arguments on a coaches track record.

Yeah then you could watch and realize that Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis have been teamkillers their whole careers and thats not going to change just becuase they are in New York and Isiah Thomas is going to be coaching.

I think marbs is a good player but he thinks he is better than he really is and he definately does not make his teamates better.

As far as Francis? I want him traded so bad it aint funny.

So what are you talking about?

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6/25/2006  1:40 AM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by EnySpree:

The brown bashers want the team to play to the strengths of the players.

I had that in my signature practically the whole season until I changed it this month. If only we could type in brail. The games should be free too so you guys can afford a cable subscription and actually watch a game rather than base arguments on a coaches track record.

Yeah then you could watch and realize that Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis have been teamkillers their whole careers and thats not going to change just becuase they are in New York and Isiah Thomas is going to be coaching.

I think marbs is a good player but he thinks he is better than he really is and he definately does not make his teamates better.

As far as Francis? I want him traded so bad it aint funny.

So what are you talking about?

So how is exactly is this team supposed to win with those 2 guys getting bigtime minutes? Thats what I'm talking about. Your telling us to watch the games, well we are both in agreement that these 2 players are going to play big minutes this year, so exactly will the Knicks go anywhere with them?
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6/25/2006  2:11 AM
Well I just said I wanted Francis traded so I'm confused.

This is supposed to be a drama free zone by the way! Lol.

Without making trades I think the knicks have exactly what they are looking for its just they had the wrong coach.

They got a young stud in Frye. Curry is not shaq but he aint yinka dare(rip) either. Marbs is a top notch talent at point guard. Craw showed finally he can be consistant and if he can build on that then he is a threat. Woods is a talented guy and having jalen either starting or coming off the bench is a plus.

In the right scheme this team should beat most teams. The knicks have the role players that need roles.

In reality this team could actually win if they are put in situations that they can sucseed.

I have seen guys say the knicks need a true point guard, shot blocker, and a rebounder. So if the knicks had these things they would win a championship? That's what its all about anyway? No one has any loyalty to any player. All of is just want to see the knicks win it all before we die. Who really cares who is on the roster as long as we can throw toilet paper up and down the canyon of heros?

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6/25/2006  3:26 AM
I totally agree on EnySpree--- it's about winning, isn't it? We all still have our soft spots for the Riley Knicks of the early 90s - Years after retiring, we still have John Starks hanging around, a symbol of NYers - the underdogs.

After watching Wade go nuts in the finals, I think the league has gone back to "normal"--- you need a true superstar to win, not a balanced team (the Pistons).

There are 2 superstars emerging in the east-- Wade and Lebron - they're so young that they could potentially dominate for the next decade.

And unless you manage to pick up a superstar, you're forced to work on the team philosophy.

I like Frye... and it remains to be seen if his recovery from knee surgery slows down his development. I hope not. He showed some flashes of Tim Duncan-- or at least of Rasheed at his peak, but the jury's still out. I hope he'll show some new wrinkles to his game.

As far as Curry goes-- he's been around a while--- and he hasn't had the big leap in production that everyone hoped for. With Isiah as the coach, there'll be no excuses. From now on, we'll be comparing him to whatever Chicago gets w/ the #2 pick in this draft.

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6/25/2006  8:26 AM
Tecnomaster - Frye didn't have knee surgery
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6/25/2006  8:29 AM

If anyone doesn't contribute or play at a high enough level in the eyes of Isiah, changes will be made quickly.


Isiah's first order of business, following the Draft, will be visiting and speaking with each player, and to get them in the right mental frame of mind for the coming months. He's going to make it extremely clear what he expects and I would expect that they will listen as they did with Larry one year ago when they all announced how thrilled they were to play for him.

Isiah, having witnessed what happened last year up-close, will know very fast if the players' hearts are into this. Isiah has proven with his actions that if he doesn't feel that he's going to get a full commitment, those players will be gone.

When training camp opens, there are no excuses, there are no misunderstandings. That's a big thing. It's all going to be business, and that's what it's going to take. That's what Thomas will demand -- and frame of mind will be key.

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6/25/2006  11:16 AM
Posted by EnySpree:



I have seen guys say the knicks need a true point guard, shot blocker, and a rebounder. So if the knicks had these things they would win a championship? That's what its all about anyway? No one has any loyalty to any player. All of is just want to see the knicks win it all before we die. Who really cares who is on the roster as long as we can throw toilet paper up and down the canyon of heros?

Eny, I'm fine with all that! I don't care who is on the roster as long as the Knicks win. I just dont think some of the guys on our roster are conducive to winning, I hope to God that Isiah gets to them and they win but I'm not holding my breathe thats all.
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6/25/2006  2:43 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by EnySpree:



I have seen guys say the knicks need a true point guard, shot blocker, and a rebounder. So if the knicks had these things they would win a championship? That's what its all about anyway? No one has any loyalty to any player. All of is just want to see the knicks win it all before we die. Who really cares who is on the roster as long as we can throw toilet paper up and down the canyon of heros?

Eny, I'm fine with all that! I don't care who is on the roster as long as the Knicks win. I just dont think some of the guys on our roster are conducive to winning, I hope to God that Isiah gets to them and they win but I'm not holding my breathe thats all.

I believe Isiah will brign structure back and the players will know what they are supposed to be doing? Will they win it all? Will they make th eplayoffs with this group the way it is? Chances are no....still Isiah has to get the players into roles and he as the coach has to establish a game plan. From there he can see where the team is going on the floor and then he can go wild with the trades to get the Knicks better at what they do and what he wants them to do.

Fair enough?

That's why Isiah fired Chaney cuz Chaney was a *****. He fired Lenny cuz he wasn't pushing the intensity button on the players. Herb wasn't hired cuz he has no clue what he is doing as a head coach. Brown was given th emost money a coach has ever had cuz they though along with everyone else that Brown would make the Knicks legit and give the Knicks the image Isiah wanted Chaney and Lenny to give. Brown had his own agenda, that's why he was fired. Fair enough?

So now what? How can we improve?
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