[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Does Larry's firing change what you want the Knicks to do in draft?
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 2 of 2 ‹ Previous 1  2 
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
rvhoss
Posts: 24943
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/2/2004
Member: #777
Switzerland
6/23/2006  10:07 AM
Holy Shit, I couldn't agree with you more.

And we've got Frye and JJ in case it isn't
Posted by Andrew:

Don't expect a shot blocker....because shot blocking is over-rated.

all kool aid all the time.
AUTOADVERT
rvhoss
Posts: 24943
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/2/2004
Member: #777
Switzerland
6/23/2006  10:08 AM
Yeah, I think nate is the energy guy that has his share of Philly at home games, but marbs is still the rock.

I think Zeke see's this as an athletic version of the pistons (from zeke's day).
Posted by purple012870:

I think we'll see the following:

C: Curry, Butler (possibly Boone as a 4/5 backup)
PF: Frye, Lee, M Rose (I see Taylor getting dealt, but Rose staying for the time being)
SF: Harrington a possibility? Marcus Vinicius, I think, a possibility. QWoods probably gone. J Rose off the bench. A lot of questions here.
SG: JCraw. Francis must be traded. I'd hope that Mardy Collins/Shannon Brown could be drafted & in the mix.
PG: Marbury should have his best year. The guy, if he's got pride (and I think he does), will see this as a major redemption opportunity.

all kool aid all the time.
martin
Posts: 79161
Alba Posts: 108
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #2
USA
6/23/2006  10:09 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

Holy Shit, I couldn't agree with you more.

And we've got Frye and JJ in case it isn't
Posted by Andrew:

Don't expect a shot blocker....because shot blocking is over-rated.

I wouldn't really consider Frye a shot-blocker and JJ isn't either just cause he is more of a foul machine than anything. Can't block shots from the bench.
Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
rvhoss
Posts: 24943
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/2/2004
Member: #777
Switzerland
6/23/2006  10:15 AM
they are both foul machines at this point. I think that put in a different position, JJ can be effective. He reminds me of motumbo in that he thinks he has offense (if lucky shots count as offense) but he does have the ability to make perimiter players think twice about coming into the lane.

I see Frye as a weak side help blocker as opposed to the primary defender blocker.

Not many teams have two low post threats and very few teams have a DWade fearless attack the basket player...oh, meant to say Kobe fearless.

QRich needs to be that two way wing player he clams he is, he has shown flashes of above average defense, and can post up and get his shot and we know he can rebound.

put him at the 3 and below him you have the 4 man rotation of jackieb/lee/frye/curry and above him you have a 3 guard rotation of marbs/crawford/???

With lee able to play the 3 and Qwoods lurking out there somewhere, we lost minutes for nate, but he's more of an off the bench fire cracker used when marbs is in foul trouble than a consistent presence in our CURRENT rotation.

He's still green IMHO.
all kool aid all the time.
nyk4ever
Posts: 41010
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 1/12/2005
Member: #848
USA
6/23/2006  10:16 AM
Jerome James and Dikembe Mutumbo should never EVER under any circumstances be mentioned in the same sentence.
"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
rvhoss
Posts: 24943
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/2/2004
Member: #777
Switzerland
6/23/2006  10:18 AM
why not? when we had Motumbo he was a shell of his former self, I believe this was because he wasn't used properly, the way he is currently being used in Houston (is he still playing) is how JJ should be used.

Does Dikembo Motumbo have a ring i don't know about?
all kool aid all the time.
rvhoss
Posts: 24943
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/2/2004
Member: #777
Switzerland
6/23/2006  10:19 AM
hey nyk4, I won't be the knick fan police (funny btw) if you stop following my posts with Irrelevant one liners.
all kool aid all the time.
martin
Posts: 79161
Alba Posts: 108
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #2
USA
6/23/2006  10:20 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

they are both foul machines at this point. I think that put in a different position, JJ can be effective. He reminds me of motumbo in that he thinks he has offense (if lucky shots count as offense) but he does have the ability to make perimiter players think twice about coming into the lane.

I see Frye as a weak side help blocker as opposed to the primary defender blocker.

What different postion can JJ be effective in outside of an eating contest? I'll give JJ the benefit of summer and training camp to prove that he is in shape and can run up and down the court more than once before tiring, but what different position? The "not on the bench cause of fouls" position?

Frye is not a weak-side defender. Slow feet and not so good reaction time on D. He will get better but he is a postional defender at best.

Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
McK1
Posts: 26527
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/16/2005
Member: #964
6/23/2006  10:21 AM
lol

Mutumbo is a basketball player. Jerome is a comedy.
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
rvhoss
Posts: 24943
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/2/2004
Member: #777
Switzerland
6/23/2006  10:23 AM
I'm still only seeing 10 minutes a game for JJ if that. BUt when he does come in I want to see blocked or altered shots, or hard piston like fouls making players think twice about driving the lane.

A different brand of basketball. More defense by committee. As it's well documented we don't have any "stoppers"
all kool aid all the time.
nyk4ever
Posts: 41010
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 1/12/2005
Member: #848
USA
6/23/2006  10:27 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

hey nyk4, I won't be the knick fan police (funny btw) if you stop following my posts with Irrelevant one liners.

But how is it irrelevant? One of the guys you mentioned is one of the hardest workers this league has ever seen and has changed playoff games and Finals appearances with his shot-blocking and the other is a fat overpaid benchwarmer. Thats why I said they should never be mentioned in the same sentence.

But RV your right, maybe I should have explained it further (like I did here) in my original.
"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
rvhoss
Posts: 24943
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/2/2004
Member: #777
Switzerland
6/23/2006  10:35 AM
nah, I got you the first time. no worries, just wanted to dig at you back for the "knick fan police" line...and it was funny.

The people I have talked to have stated flat out that Jerome showed up Grossly out of shape compared to his year's in Seattle.

I think the entire knick team was extremly out of shape. I was shocked to see so many flabby biceps and triceps on a basketball player. MoT sweated a bucket of sweat in his 12 minutes of play.

If they come into camp the way they are supposed to come into camp (like the rooks) then I'm pretty happy.

I'm not giving up on any of our players.

Start Frye alongside Curry, bring in JackieB and Lee and use JJ when fouls are an issue (and with curry and frye, there is a great chance they will be) and that's his role.

Last year his role was that of the rodeo clown. When it was obvious we weren't going to win, send in JJ so the fans can laugh at him and wonder why he is on the team, as opposed to trying to find some sort of lineup early in the game Before the blowout occurs.

I know larry tried, and it wasn't a complete joke until after it was obvious that we were going to have one of the bottom three records in the league.

But this year, I want to see everyone come into camp in shape, I don't want to see any summer pics of marbury with a drink in his hand and man boobs, a wasted nate and crawford, etc.

I want this year to be all business.

So far, so good.
all kool aid all the time.
nyk4ever
Posts: 41010
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 1/12/2005
Member: #848
USA
6/23/2006  11:35 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

nah, I got you the first time. no worries, just wanted to dig at you back for the "knick fan police" line...and it was funny.

The people I have talked to have stated flat out that Jerome showed up Grossly out of shape compared to his year's in Seattle.

I think the entire knick team was extremly out of shape. I was shocked to see so many flabby biceps and triceps on a basketball player. MoT sweated a bucket of sweat in his 12 minutes of play.

If they come into camp the way they are supposed to come into camp (like the rooks) then I'm pretty happy.

I'm not giving up on any of our players.

Start Frye alongside Curry, bring in JackieB and Lee and use JJ when fouls are an issue (and with curry and frye, there is a great chance they will be) and that's his role.

Last year his role was that of the rodeo clown. When it was obvious we weren't going to win, send in JJ so the fans can laugh at him and wonder why he is on the team, as opposed to trying to find some sort of lineup early in the game Before the blowout occurs.

I know larry tried, and it wasn't a complete joke until after it was obvious that we were going to have one of the bottom three records in the league.

But this year, I want to see everyone come into camp in shape, I don't want to see any summer pics of marbury with a drink in his hand and man boobs, a wasted nate and crawford, etc.

I want this year to be all business.

So far, so good.

See this is where we'll never agree. You like everything that happens with this franchise and that's fine, everyone has a different way of going about and rooting for their favorite team and thats your way and others have their own different ways. I like you, like some players on this team and think we have a nice young core but I am not going to kid myself and believe that this team is going big places in the next few years and I believe that way because of guys like Marbury and Francis. These 2 players are great individual performers but when it comes to teamwork and leading on the court neither one of these players provides that and thats a huge issue. When you look around the rest of the league, most of the teams that have players getting paid what Marbury and Francis are getting paid, are leaders and are instrumental in getting everyone else on their team involved. I think is where the Knicks have went wrong and it pisses me off and I will complain about it until hell freezes over, or until it changes.

Other then those Marbury, Francis, Rose, MoT, Jerome, I like alot of the parts that this team has and if they could get rid of these 3 guys I would be pretty happy, but thats why I wanted Brown here so much because I thought he would be the guy to get rid of them, now I have no hope of that.
"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
rvhoss
Posts: 24943
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/2/2004
Member: #777
Switzerland
6/23/2006  11:38 AM
I think we gotta keep one for now. There is nothing we can do but trade them for high priced losers.

You think we will be trading up unloading any of these guys? And the expiring deals will only add to the cap if traded.

I think it's more possible the players step up than we actually trade them, and that's the big disconnect.

You are asking for a miracle off season upheaval, and that's what brown wanted and that's what I disagree with both in philosophy and practicality.
all kool aid all the time.
Page 2 of 2 ‹ Previous 1  2 
« Reply To Topic
Does Larry's firing change what you want the Knicks to do in draft?
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy