Didn't the Dolan lawyers stop the Jets from getting a new Stadium in Manhattan?

Posted by Rich:

Posted by PhilinLA:

Didn't the Dolan lawyers stop the Jets from getting a new Stadium in Manhattan?

That was more of a lobbying effort.

I don't like the way Dolan has handled the Knicks, and I despise his cable system, but I love what he did with the West Side Stadium even if his reason were not altruistic.

So he's not all bad.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 06-23-2006 12:31 AM]

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by EnySpree:

Back to the title post....

How ill is Dolan that he built a case on how to get out of paying Brown? If he gets away with it then Dolan is the man.

Back to talking about basketball.

Bro, it's funny how Larry is a snake for doing some of this stuff, but Dolan is the man for building a file behind Larry's back to get out of paying his contract. And that he held Larry just long enough for coaching vacancies to be filled. That's not class, that's bush league, pompous stuff on Dolan's part.

Joe man you can't digg one and not Digg the other....yeah it's not right that he did this but Brown started this. The Knicks made a video for him and said welcome home....then Brown ****ted on everything and he didn't do what they paid him for. All Brown did was put down the players and not coach to win. Come on now....you have yet to admitt that yet like it didn't happen. Brown needed to go.

In business it happens all the time if you want a person fired you have to make it seem like you have a case. You can't just fire someone for no reason. The Knicks have every reason to fire him....now they might have a case not to pay him too. Not Bush league that is just real world stuff.

Now we can talk basketball Bazooka, imagine that

I understand what you are saying and I am not criticizing Dolan for looking for reasons to fire Brown because he wanted him out. I have criticized Brwon for going to the papers, I said it is the one thing that I hate that he did. But what Brown "supposedly"(I use this word because it is coming from the Knicks camp), is in essence exactly what Dolan did. Brown ran around behind Zeke's back to get him fired, Dolan did the exact same thing to Brown if you believe the reports that this was decided in Feb.

Brown did absolutely nothing different than at his previous coaching stops though, Eny.....Dolan and Zeke knew what they were getting into (also all those reports when Brown was hired that said when the divorce happens here it will be UGLY were right)...you can't stand the heat, don't even walk into the kitchen...

I am happy this whole situation is over and we can now focus on who Zeke is gonna trade our picks for so he doesn't get fired

Posted by martin:

Posted by EwingsGlass:

I am certain the contract has an arbitration clause, which is why they state it will be figured out by David Stern. The legal question is how "material" or important the alleged breach(es) are. Also, it matters what the contract says "good cause" is. Fact of the matter is, Stern cannot be delighted with the way Brown has handled himself in Detroit and NY. I would think he might use a heavy hand against Brown when determining a proper reconciliation amount. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the amount Brown gets is $1. (one dollar). Realistically, if the Knicks offer Brown $10 mill to shut up and walk away, he should take it.

what did LB do wrong in Detroit? I forgot. Owner gave him permission to talk to CLE and he did.

$1? Seems a little off the mark of what LB is going to get.

He began talking about leaving Detroit while still under contract and while his team was still competing in the NBA Finals. Brown has shown a pattern of abusing "Team Policy" with regard to his open mouth policy. Now, as to legalese, "one dollar", as Rich pointed out is the measure of "nominal damages"...normally offered where a person is legally correct in their claim but cannot make a showing of actual damages. One dollar may not be a realistic measure of damages, but I still would not be surprised if the amount given to Brown is nominal in nature...arbitrations rarely create all or nothing scenarios, but Stern is not bound to make an award in line with what his contract would have paid either.

did he have permission?

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by djsunyc:

it's simple, brown was fired b/c dolan doesn't like him. brown was fired b/c dolan trusts isiah more.

and now they're trying to get out from paying him his full contract. it's an avenue they need to explore b/c it is alot of money.

but they reason he was fired is b/c they don't like him.

no i think they fired him because he did not even try to coach the team he had....wake the hell up already

no...he was fired b/c he wouldn't do what dolan asked him to do...which is basically become another "yes man". dolan has every right to fire him. but this is still not a good thing.

but it's set up perfectly. we win 35-40 wins next year, people will be doing backflips. we win 42 games the following year and make the 1st round, people will be doing cartwheels. and then when we max out at 45 wins and are right back into finding that next "mcdyess" trade and see that nothing really has changed, people will be on these boards b tching and moaning.

it's about the big picture. over a 3-4 year span, what is the best for this franchise? is it keeping a guy like lb and letting him do what he wants to do or dumping him after a year and keeping all these players together and letting them do what they want to do?

you think isiah has any real pull with them next season? he's a LAME DUCK coach. just like adelman was last year. it will look good early but the chances of it being sustained throughout the season are not that high. he does not have full backing from dolan. he won the battle with lb but he's very far from being the "chosen" one. his contract expires in december...which means he's on notice.

but it's ok...b/c the fanbase is so beaten that 35-40 wins is something to celebrate.

Posted by EnySpree:

no i think they fired him because he did not even try to coach the team he had....wake the hell up already

We went to a game in Toronto and sat directly behind the Knick bench. The raps blew us out but not once did larry stop coaching. Not for a second. Your statement couldn't be further from the truth IMO.

If Dolan believes what you stated and held that standard to the players we would have about 3 guys left on the team.

Posted by TheSage:

Standard contracts permitting dismissal for cause would require, fraud, gross negiligence, material breach of corporate policy and the like. One cannot change trhe rules in midstream, declare that one has breached those rules and delare the contract void. What you are likely to see is a face saving move by Stern-something like present valuing the payment due arriving at number like 30-35 million allowing both sides to say they won. There will in all likelihood be a confidentiality clause in the final settlement. Anything less is likely to be appealed to the courts and neither side wants that public.

[Edited by - TheSage on 06-23-2006 10:21 AM]

Thanks, that sound more like it came from a lawyer. Recap: Dolan is grasping at straws.

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by djsunyc:

it's simple, brown was fired b/c dolan doesn't like him. brown was fired b/c dolan trusts isiah more.

and now they're trying to get out from paying him his full contract. it's an avenue they need to explore b/c it is alot of money.

but they reason he was fired is b/c they don't like him.

no i think they fired him because he did not even try to coach the team he had....wake the hell up already

Exactly; they fired him because they didn't like him? Wow! I thought I'd heard it all. Surely, if he did his job, coached the team better and like a sane person, got the players playing to their potential, "not liking him" wouldn't even matter. His coaching was a disaster and he got what he deserved. Hopefully Dolan and Cablevision will too but I don't see it happening in my lifetime.