Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by Solace:

Bip, I don't know if you're a Larry-lover, but you are definitely a Don-Chaney lover.

Just teasing. Excellent post(s). I read through it and I pretty much agree. The only thing I disagree with is that some of the players you listed, Marbs, Francis, Jalen, etc... don't show me much in terms of leadership qualities and need serious attitude adjustments. I don't like them at this time, but if they make the necessary changes, I may start.

I also think we have to balance the roster. The roster looks unbalanced to me.

Too many shoot first PG's and PF's, not enough SF's, SG's, or quality centers.

Far too many guys that do the same thing. This is obvious to all. The problem is, whoever doesn't play is going to cause a scene. We need role players. Cut some stars and create role players. That will go a lot farther in terms of addition by subtraction than anything else.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by Solace:

Bip, I don't know if you're a Larry-lover, but you are definitely a Don-Chaney lover.

Just teasing. Excellent post(s). I read through it and I pretty much agree. The only thing I disagree with is that some of the players you listed, Marbs, Francis, Jalen, etc... don't show me much in terms of leadership qualities and need serious attitude adjustments. I don't like them at this time, but if they make the necessary changes, I may start.

I also think we have to balance the roster. The roster looks unbalanced to me.

Too many shoot first PG's and PF's, not enough SF's, SG's, or quality centers.

Far too many guys that do the same thing. This is obvious to all. The problem is, whoever doesn't play is going to cause a scene. We need role players. Cut some stars and create role players. That will go a lot farther in terms of addition by subtraction than anything else.

Absolutely. Thing is with this group there is no main player (unless Steph can actually live up to his potential. A comparison I have is a baseball pitching staff. We have no #1 so we have to get 4 #2's to equal it out. Problem is the guys we have all think they are #1's. I said a while ago if we are going to use Steph as our best player we have to be built like the Pistons were and have a Yin to his Yang...Steph is to me is a destabilizer(not in a bad way if he has a balance with him on the floor)..he thrives in chaos. The Knicks need someone-to me preferably a SF-that can settle things down and lead.

We need an Allan Houston to Steph's Spree.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 06-22-2006 9:33 PM]

I said that a couple times. A healthy Allan Houston would have been great for us. It would have taken a lot of pressure off Nate. Created stability in the backcourt. Provided a role model for Craw. And given us a voice of reason and legitimacy in the locker room. And most importantly prevented the Francis trade. Fans just wanted him gone because they hated him. But just like the loss of Pat, Spree and Houston, we never responded as an organization to the loss of our best player. Instead of being prepared for their departure, we were surprised by it and are now scrambling. Same as when we hired a coach that will help us to save money instead of hiring a coach that fits a long-term plan.

Posted by Bippity10:

I agree. I try to use names just because guys think that's the exact player you want but I agree with you. I think Harpring would probably have issues with Marbs. I think his style is right but I no he clashed with Iverson, not sure he'd fit with Marbs. It's tough with marbs. He wants to be able to play like he always has. So that means keep him at the point and then we need a defender at the two. Unfortunately Jamal is not this guy. Then Marbs says he wants to play the 2 and play like Iverson. So at that point we need a heady defender at the 1. It's tough to figure out what we need because we are constanlty try to placate players who don't know what they want to do. I think cutting 2 or 3 of our SG/SF/PG types and replacing them with a Raja Bell/Simmons/Harpring type(I know I said I don't use names, but I'm changing the rules today) would really help us. Guys that play hard no matter what their role is.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by joec32033:



Absolutely. The key to finding a guy to play with Steph is pretty simple in my book, though. You need a guy who, like the guys I(and you) mentioned and-my example at it's best- is Shawn Marion-a guy who needs no plays run for him but can still get his points.

Thats really why I'm kinda souring on the Curry trade. I still haven't given up hope for Curry but Ty Thomas I think is going to develop a offensive game like Marion has(without the shooting range but just as explosive offensively) to go along with the defense he already provies. Thomas would have been such a perfect fit here in NY.


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 06-22-2006 10:17 PM]

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by joec32033:

How long does the tandem last? 2 young players fighting for position in a couple years when Frye is a FA, you think he'll resign with Ty over his shoulder? That's long term...short term...how do you develop both of them when they are both suited best for the exact same position?

Why can't one play PF and one play center? THe only way Ty would be here is if the Knicks didn't acquire Curry, which means they still have the #2 pick, thats my whole point.

Posted by Bippity10:

It's become apparent that we need to bring this post up again as a community reminder

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Bippity10:

It's become apparent that we need to bring this post up again as a community reminder

Whatever, you Allan Houston lover.

Solace I think I put you on the list back in the MSG days. It's apparent that you have not learned your lesson. Back on the list you go.