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rvhoss
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6/21/2006  4:46 PM
Who are you and what have you done with Fish?

You basically paraphrased all my posts from the last year.

Patience...and we will win it all...we had 3 rookies, a couple second year players and 6 new faces.

And even fish sees a future in it.

So I guess you guys are all just bored and want to bash the team just to bash the team.

As you notice, I never comment when you guys bash Dolan.

And fishes post below indicates that not ALL of Isiah's moves have sucked.

Thanks fish for proving my point.

Posted by fishmike:

I dont think the LB/MArbury drama was LB's big problem with this roster. There were just no grinders and the defense was deplorable. Lee, Frye and JB all played hard on D but were awful, mostly because of experience. I'm sure they will all get better, especially with LB teaching them.
Marbury scores with a high% of FGs, doesnt chuck a lot of 3s and takes excellent care of the ball. I have no doubt Larry can work with that. We were dead last in oppenents FG% and sending guys to the FT line, and as the season went on we didnt get any better. THAT was the problem.

Every young guy on our roster got better last year under LB, and will be prepared for more minutes and bigger roles next year.

They are all good players. Not stars, but good smart players. Only Nate strikes me as dumb but he's got an energy that if channeled has its own benefits

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6/21/2006  4:49 PM
Posted by crzymdups:


People are talking about Brown's ability to work with a young roster and his success with having input in building a roster. He didn't "think" about "maybe" trading Iverson, the trade was at the league office for approval before Matt Geiger stopped it with a no-trade because he didn't want to go to Detroit.

So, I think it's material when you're talking about ability to work with a young roster and build a team when he pulled the trigger on trading the heart and soul of the team, a future MVP and guy who would drive them to the finals. What does that say about him as being an evaluator? I think it proves what I've been saying - he's impatient. Do we have anyone with a no trade clause to save us when he tries to trade Frye or Nate? No.

Thats all fine and dandy but like DJ said, after that happened Iverson came back much more of a team player and was willing to do things the coaches way, which ended up really well for the Philadephia franchise becuase they did goto a finals with Brown and Iverson.
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6/21/2006  4:50 PM
Posted by Rich:

Larry was a lot younger when he took over the Sixer job. He doesn't have that kind of patience anymore.

younger, more patient, less senile, more sane.
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6/21/2006  4:52 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by crzymdups:


People are talking about Brown's ability to work with a young roster and his success with having input in building a roster. He didn't "think" about "maybe" trading Iverson, the trade was at the league office for approval before Matt Geiger stopped it with a no-trade because he didn't want to go to Detroit.

So, I think it's material when you're talking about ability to work with a young roster and build a team when he pulled the trigger on trading the heart and soul of the team, a future MVP and guy who would drive them to the finals. What does that say about him as being an evaluator? I think it proves what I've been saying - he's impatient. Do we have anyone with a no trade clause to save us when he tries to trade Frye or Nate? No.

Thats all fine and dandy but like DJ said, after that happened Iverson came back much more of a team player and was willing to do things the coaches way, which ended up really well for the Philadephia franchise becuase they did goto a finals with Brown and Iverson.

lucky for them Matt Geiger didn't like the Motor City, I guess.
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6/21/2006  4:55 PM
DJ, you are saying Iverson COMLETELY CHANGED after the almost trade, and are of the opinion that there is absolutely no way that can happen to marbury, ignoring all of his quotes to the contrary.

I think we're just sick of you being so negative towards the possibility that the knicks will get better and will contend with the young core we already have in place.

It's like you are not even a knick fan...I hear more optimism from my net's fan friends.

They see a future in Curry, Frye, Crawford, David Lee and Q Rich.

I need a GM that created a championship team in 3 years.

That's what I need...a real comparison. Because all I see is more and more quality Youth coming to the knick roster accompanied by a fat contract that expires at or before marbury's does.

Still not seeing the "worst GM" in the league moniker holding any weight.

MoT is gone next year...so that trade has already come and gone, Jrose came with a pick and he's gone this year, another trade gone and came with youth.

OPEN YOUR EYES!

We have the most young talent in the East. And any argument to the contrary can not be backed up by facts. WE beat the bulls when we only won 23 games. We beat the bucks and we only won 23 games. Who else has youth like ours? Who else has a center as dominant as Curry IS (and you guys think he sucks). Who else has 3 second year players with the talent of Frye/Lee/Nate?

Jackie B is a solid young player...only obtained because Isiah (and his staff) discovered him in the CBA of all places.

I still think JJ has something left, but hey, who cares, he's going be coming off the bench behind Lee and Jackie butler anyway.

Mot, francis, rose, rose, marbury, all come off the cap or will be traded in the next 2 years.

Everyone else is a keeper...

I guess i'm the only one that sees a future in these knicks and the only reason there is a future is because Isiah Thomas is our GM.
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Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

one thing of note is that brown had HEAVY say in personnel decisions with billy king and pat croce. so it wasn't like these rosters were thrown upon him.

yup. and he traded Iverson before Geiger stepped in with his no-trade clause before their fabeled trip to the Finals. that Brown sure is a guru.

...and what's the point? did iverson not COMPLETELY change after that non-trade? who's to say he still wouldn't be a problem child if the trade went through? you have got to stop trying to discredit his history. you do not have solid ground to stand on. just stick with this past season...at least there are two valid points of view to that. but arguing about brown's history as a head coach and his success is blatantly one sided.

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6/21/2006  4:55 PM
Posted by crzymdups:



lucky for them Matt Geiger didn't like the Motor City, I guess.

Your still turning a blind eye to the most important part of my post.

After that attempted trade of Iverson, he came back ready to listen to the coach and do the things that Brown was asking him to do all along. Once Iverson did these things, he became a better player and took the team farther then ever before, under Browns tutalage.

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6/21/2006  4:58 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

DJ, you are saying Iverson COMLETELY CHANGED after the almost trade, and are of the opinion that there is absolutely no way that can happen to marbury, ignoring all of his quotes to the contrary.

I think we're just sick of you being so negative towards the possibility that the knicks will get better and will contend with the young core we already have in place.

It's like you are not even a knick fan...I hear more optimism from my net's fan friends.

They see a future in Curry, Frye, Crawford, David Lee and Q Rich.

I need a GM that created a championship team in 3 years.

That's what I need...a real comparison. Because all I see is more and more quality Youth coming to the knick roster accompanied by a fat contract that expires at or before marbury's does.

Still not seeing the "worst GM" in the league moniker holding any weight.

MoT is gone next year...so that trade has already come and gone, Jrose came with a pick and he's gone this year, another trade gone and came with youth.

OPEN YOUR EYES!

We have the most young talent in the East. And any argument to the contrary can not be backed up by facts. WE beat the bulls when we only won 23 games. We beat the bucks and we only won 23 games. Who else has youth like ours? Who else has a center as dominant as Curry IS (and you guys think he sucks). Who else has 3 second year players with the talent of Frye/Lee/Nate?

Jackie B is a solid young player...only obtained because Isiah (and his staff) discovered him in the CBA of all places.

I still think JJ has something left, but hey, who cares, he's going be coming off the bench behind Lee and Jackie butler anyway.

Mot, francis, rose, rose, marbury, all come off the cap or will be traded in the next 2 years.

Everyone else is a keeper...

I guess i'm the only one that sees a future in these knicks and the only reason there is a future is because Isiah Thomas is our GM.
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

one thing of note is that brown had HEAVY say in personnel decisions with billy king and pat croce. so it wasn't like these rosters were thrown upon him.

yup. and he traded Iverson before Geiger stepped in with his no-trade clause before their fabeled trip to the Finals. that Brown sure is a guru.

...and what's the point? did iverson not COMPLETELY change after that non-trade? who's to say he still wouldn't be a problem child if the trade went through? you have got to stop trying to discredit his history. you do not have solid ground to stand on. just stick with this past season...at least there are two valid points of view to that. but arguing about brown's history as a head coach and his success is blatantly one sided.

rv - it's simple, if you see "djsunyc" as the poster, don't read the post. skip it.

iverson's problems were with practice, with brown, and off the court. marbury's issues are with teammates and on the court. two different problems. anybody could change, even marbury.
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6/21/2006  5:02 PM
Posted by djsunyc:


rv - it's simple, if you see "djsunyc" as the poster, don't read the post. skip it.

He has to do that with you too now?
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6/21/2006  5:03 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

DJ, you are saying Iverson COMLETELY CHANGED after the almost trade, and are of the opinion that there is absolutely no way that can happen to marbury, ignoring all of his quotes to the contrary.

I think we're just sick of you being so negative towards the possibility that the knicks will get better and will contend with the young core we already have in place.

It's like you are not even a knick fan...I hear more optimism from my net's fan friends.

They see a future in Curry, Frye, Crawford, David Lee and Q Rich.

I need a GM that created a championship team in 3 years.

That's what I need...a real comparison. Because all I see is more and more quality Youth coming to the knick roster accompanied by a fat contract that expires at or before marbury's does.

Still not seeing the "worst GM" in the league moniker holding any weight.

MoT is gone next year...so that trade has already come and gone, Jrose came with a pick and he's gone this year, another trade gone and came with youth.

OPEN YOUR EYES!

We have the most young talent in the East. And any argument to the contrary can not be backed up by facts. WE beat the bulls when we only won 23 games. We beat the bucks and we only won 23 games. Who else has youth like ours? Who else has a center as dominant as Curry IS (and you guys think he sucks). Who else has 3 second year players with the talent of Frye/Lee/Nate?

Jackie B is a solid young player...only obtained because Isiah (and his staff) discovered him in the CBA of all places.

I still think JJ has something left, but hey, who cares, he's going be coming off the bench behind Lee and Jackie butler anyway.

Mot, francis, rose, rose, marbury, all come off the cap or will be traded in the next 2 years.

Everyone else is a keeper...

I guess i'm the only one that sees a future in these knicks and the only reason there is a future is because Isiah Thomas is our GM.

No, people see it. I think alot of fans compare this team to finished teams. But if you look at the supporting cast and Good players we have.... they are all very young. THey aren't finished, but it's hard to wait, even for a team we fans can see. I couldn't picture this fan base looking at nothing but draft picks like they say they want to. So Fans do what they do, complain and worry about ever other team. I think the knicks are a move away from being a title contender once Guys like Frye,Curry,Crawford get alittle bit better.
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6/21/2006  5:06 PM
Posted by Anji:



No, people see it. I think alot of fans compare this team to finished teams. But if you look at the supporting cast and Good players we have.... they are all very young. THey aren't finished, but it's hard to wait, even for a team we fans can see. I couldn't picture this fan base looking at nothing but draft picks like they say they want to. So Fans do what they do, complain and worry about ever other team. I think the knicks are a move away from being a title contender once Guys like Frye,Curry,Crawford get alittle bit better.

Whose to say guys like Curry and Crawford are going to get better? While I like Eddy Curry, whose to say he is going to better, he has shown absolutely no signs of bettering his game the past few years and has been overweight for years. Your putting alot of stock into a guy with weight and motivation problems.
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6/21/2006  5:12 PM
I think people are discounting how much of an advancement it was for curry to put up the same numbers this season after the offseason he had. NOw I could be wrong, but coming off of injuries and the heart problems, moving to a new city for the first time in his life and coming to the s--t storm that was the knicks season........ I think he did get better and next season will show it.

[Edited by - Anji on 06-21-2006 5:13 PM]
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6/21/2006  5:14 PM
Posted by Anji:

I think people are discounting how much of an advancement it was for curry to put up the same numbers this season after the offseason he had. NOw I could be wrong, but coming off of injuries and the heart problems, moving to a new city for the first time in his life and coming to the s--t storm that was the knicks season........ I think he did get better and next season will show it.

[Edited by - Anji on 06-21-2006 5:13 PM]

Now thats more like it. I can deal with you saying that and I hope he does it. I think if the guy just gets a LITTLE motivation he will be have a huge year. Lets hope he does.
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6/21/2006  5:20 PM
if he doesn't get better, then I will say you are right, but guys like antroine walker, jwill and others have proven they can get better and they are waaaaay older than curry and crawford.

If they don't get better, it's their fault not isiahs...but since isiah is the GM, he goes down with them...that I agree with.

But like I said, last year everyone was saying crawford couldn't get better and I think the board is unanimous that he has.

Curry was a solid 16/6 guy in an underachieving year...he stays 16/6 and frye does the same 16/6 along side him and then I could care less if he improves...

what are our expectations from frye?
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6/21/2006  5:22 PM
sorry, curry was 14/6...btw, frye was 13/6. Both straight up Zeke acquisitions.

My future contending starting lineup put up some pretty good numbers for either being a Rookie, coming off the bench or their first year the team.

You say excuses, I say realistic expectations.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 06-21-2006 5:24 PM]
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6/21/2006  7:19 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by rvhoss:

DJ, you are saying Iverson COMLETELY CHANGED after the almost trade, and are of the opinion that there is absolutely no way that can happen to marbury, ignoring all of his quotes to the contrary.

I think we're just sick of you being so negative towards the possibility that the knicks will get better and will contend with the young core we already have in place.

It's like you are not even a knick fan...I hear more optimism from my net's fan friends.

They see a future in Curry, Frye, Crawford, David Lee and Q Rich.

I need a GM that created a championship team in 3 years.

That's what I need...a real comparison. Because all I see is more and more quality Youth coming to the knick roster accompanied by a fat contract that expires at or before marbury's does.

Still not seeing the "worst GM" in the league moniker holding any weight.

MoT is gone next year...so that trade has already come and gone, Jrose came with a pick and he's gone this year, another trade gone and came with youth.

OPEN YOUR EYES!

We have the most young talent in the East. And any argument to the contrary can not be backed up by facts. WE beat the bulls when we only won 23 games. We beat the bucks and we only won 23 games. Who else has youth like ours? Who else has a center as dominant as Curry IS (and you guys think he sucks). Who else has 3 second year players with the talent of Frye/Lee/Nate?

Jackie B is a solid young player...only obtained because Isiah (and his staff) discovered him in the CBA of all places.

I still think JJ has something left, but hey, who cares, he's going be coming off the bench behind Lee and Jackie butler anyway.

Mot, francis, rose, rose, marbury, all come off the cap or will be traded in the next 2 years.

Everyone else is a keeper...

I guess i'm the only one that sees a future in these knicks and the only reason there is a future is because Isiah Thomas is our GM.
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

one thing of note is that brown had HEAVY say in personnel decisions with billy king and pat croce. so it wasn't like these rosters were thrown upon him.

yup. and he traded Iverson before Geiger stepped in with his no-trade clause before their fabeled trip to the Finals. that Brown sure is a guru.

...and what's the point? did iverson not COMPLETELY change after that non-trade? who's to say he still wouldn't be a problem child if the trade went through? you have got to stop trying to discredit his history. you do not have solid ground to stand on. just stick with this past season...at least there are two valid points of view to that. but arguing about brown's history as a head coach and his success is blatantly one sided.

rv - it's simple, if you see "djsunyc" as the poster, don't read the post. skip it.

iverson's problems were with practice, with brown, and off the court. marbury's issues are with teammates and on the court. two different problems. anybody could change, even marbury.

I think we could list one, two, or maybe five hundred players who hated how Iverson takes 60 shots a game (ON the court)
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