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BlueSeats
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6/21/2006  2:23 PM
People forget that Larry's been in the league forever. he could alsways be trying to revive veterans from prior teams, but he doesn't.

When he had Ratcliff and Snow overachieving in Philly they were 24 years old. He didn't bring in all his washed up veterans from years past, as so many would have it. With them and a 21 year old Iverson and a 25 year old Aron McKie the were a very YOUNG team.

But I don't know why I keep bringing such things up, people refuse to get it.
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6/21/2006  2:24 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by buddapaw:
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by gr33d:
Posted by Nalod:

HE turned a crappy roster who played with heart into the laughing stock of the league.

On paper we look good. The payroll is the highest ever!

Look, if you hate Larry, so be it. We all have our views.

Demonize larry and try to discredit his history. At the same time, Cannonize Isiah when most write he did a so-so job with his pacer team. His teams started the years strong and melted down in the second half. why? Why was he fired? Why did he not get a coaching job afterwards?

Before you go on about how he saved our team with the roster changes, why is it the rest of the world considers us the laughing stock of the sporting world?

I don't hate Larry, in fact I was all in favor of bringing him aboard. Nor do I judge his past success or failures with other teams, I'm concentrating on the NOW. The NOW for me, is that Larry can't co-exist with our current roster imo. He underestimated the power of the NY press and made rookie-coach mistakes. We underacheived last year and Larry was directing traffic, bottom line!

I don't believe roster changes saved us. Isiah is one thin ice, I stated that earlier.

Let's say we were under the cap now and had the first pick in the draft. What superstar free-egent and lottery pick would turn this thing around? LOL, we'd be just good enough to NOT have a shot at Oden next year, that's where we'd be. Timing has a lot to do with being successful, that's all I'm saying.

I don't know if IT is the long-term solution, but I'm not convinced Larry is either. And honestly, I don't care what Knick haters think of the team, screw them! Every team makes mistakes at some point, yet we're used as the league-wide examples. Everything we do is under a microscope, what else is new?

With all do respect, the NOW you speak of has been the instant gradification problem Dolan is forever trying to acomplish. Larry ate a 23 season for a reason. This team would not have done all that much better if we had another coach. its possible the rookies might not have played as much and we might have imploded even worse. Its not a given we were a 35 win team. IF Larry was about a foundation then we had to dig deeper to anchor one then orginally thought. Dolanites want quick results and the appearences everything is fine no matter how weak the underlying structure is.

Foundation? wanting the likes of Ratcliff and Snow? It could also be possible that they would won more than 35 games. This is Larry Brown, he loves every other player in league as long as they are not on his team.

Typical default to the "radcliff and Snow" thing.

First off, Snow would be a good addition to this team.

Second, it did not happen.

Thirdly, it would be no different than a top coach like Bill Parcells bringing in his types of players to every team he's coached. Typically they aren't the best players but role players who understand what the coach wants and can educate their teammates about what the coach expects.
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6/21/2006  2:38 PM
I hear Larry wants to bring back Pogo Joe Caldwell, Monte Towe, and Dan Issel from the ABA!

Its as relevent as any other player he coached. DId any of the philly guys go to Detroit? Detroit guys to NY? Nope.
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6/21/2006  2:47 PM
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6/21/2006  2:49 PM
Isn't it ironic that our one washed up veteran of his was Antonio Davis, and Larry was sympathetic to him not wanting to come here, and he might have been cut if it wasn't for ISIAH saying "this isn't charity."

Then he's traded away in a deal that Larry is accused of masterminding for Jalen Rose, a guy who got most of his career DNPs from Larry Brown.

So can somebody tell me the fairy tale again about Larry being desperate for his old veterans?
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6/21/2006  6:22 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

"[Isiah's] very creative, he comes up with a running offense," Pacers's Donnie Walsh said. "He's no Larry Brown, though. But he's farther along than you'd think, coaching just three years."

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 06-21-2006 12:32 PM]



I believe this is high praise for Isiah's coaching acumen.

oohah

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6/21/2006  6:52 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BlueSeats:

"[Isiah's] very creative, he comes up with a running offense," Pacers's Donnie Walsh said. "He's no Larry Brown, though. But he's farther along than you'd think, coaching just three years."



I believe this is high praise for Isiah's coaching acumen.



He's no Larry Brown, though.

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6/21/2006  6:59 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by oohah:
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"[Isiah's] very creative, he comes up with a running offense," Pacers's Donnie Walsh said. "He's no Larry Brown, though. But he's farther along than you'd think, coaching just three years."



I believe this is high praise for Isiah's coaching acumen.



He's no Larry Brown, though.



I interpret that to mean that he thinks he's a nicer guy than LB!

oohah

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6/21/2006  7:13 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BlueSeats:

"[Isiah's] very creative, he comes up with a running offense," Pacers's Donnie Walsh said. "He's no Larry Brown, though. But he's farther along than you'd think, coaching just three years."



I believe this is high praise for Isiah's coaching acumen.



He's no Larry Brown, though.



I interpret that to mean that he thinks he's a nicer guy than LB!

oohah

If the Pacer's were all about niceness Isiah wouldn't have been fired as unceremoniously by Bird as he was. Donnie Walsh knew what he had with Brown, beating the Knicks one year removed from the finals and all.
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6/21/2006  7:20 PM
This talk is good for nothing...
We'll see next year how IT will couch...
And will see this offseason which lessons he learn from Brown when he will trade...
I think Larry did all dearty job for him already.
No expectations... No hype... Everybody knows that this team is a peace of crap and any improvement will play IT way.
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6/21/2006  7:26 PM
Posted by arkrud:

This talk is good for nothing...
We'll see next year how IT will couch...
And will see this offseason which lessons he learn from Brown when he will trade...
I think Larry did all dearty job for him already.
No expectations... No hype... Everybody knows that this team is a peace of crap and any improvement will play IT way.
Smart e...ss Isaih

And what will it tell us if Brown is still the coach come October?
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6/21/2006  7:41 PM
This team is NOT a piece of crap. Really I think that the implication by others that somehow this team didn't overachieve is silly. THIS IS THE 1st YEAR WE'VE HAD THIS TEAM! We added 8 new players to start the year and we had 4 guys who basically were rookies if you include Butler. We had Woods who had very little real experience and Curry who was coming off of a long period of inactivity. Really its just amazing that some of us think this team has nothing good to build upon.

Did you guys even watch the games? Our young players showed they have plenty of ability to play at this level. Even tho Curry had a bad year, he still did some things that show he isn't that far off from being an effective Center for this team. There really wasn't a situation where the competition stopped him. It was just his own mistakes that usually got the best of him. I think him being able to actually work on his game and get in better shape this summer could help him to get back on track. I think he could avg 18/8 next year and that would be nice progress. Add Frye at perhaps 16/8 and that's not a bad young Frontcourt. We just need a SF and a SG that can hit consistently. If we can also pick up a shot blocker that would be a very nice roster. Isiah has the draft picks, MLE and 2 Exp. Contracts to use to get the players we need. I'm not saying he'll get it all done, but I think at least 2 of those things could be accomplished. Each year he sets out to address a need and so far he's succeeded in finding players. We needed Guards and Isiah got them, last year we needed size and he got that for use in spades.
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6/21/2006  8:47 PM
I am not saing the team is a peace of crup but that it looks like...
Larry lovered the expectations..He removed the pressure from players.
And now Isaih MUST benefit from this.
Otherwise he is the peace of crap...
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knicks' debacle full of irony, blame (article)

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