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6/15/2006  4:13 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Jameer was already the PG and Francis was the SG. Francis was a cancer. He absolutely tanked games for a month in Orlando and then showed up in NY and did the same damn thing.

Marbury and Brown TRIED to come to an understanding and for the most part did before Marbury's injury. By the time Marbury came back, things had spiraled so far out of control that it was moot. Even when Marbury came back, he tried hard, like the game in Memphis. Francis played like a pile of warm poop. He sucks and is one of the biggest cancers in the league.

wrong. Jameer was the backup.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jameer_nelson/index.html

Francis and Stevenson were the starting backcourt.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/steve_francis/index.html

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/deshawn_stevenson/index.html
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6/15/2006  4:19 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=ArUX771Ef9VywvY5VQcu6uakvLYF?gid=2006012030

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=ArXeLEEIuQ2BfAwblKcPUO6kvLYF?gid=2006011012

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AjN6yzRIXgIbgCF4WMlG7DOkvLYF?gid=2006010719

they played together a lot. I think I was thinking 04-05 when they tried starting Nelson and Francis together for 20 games. whatever the case, they tried it quite a few times.
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6/15/2006  4:23 PM
I understand you, your point is still he was on the team and he got better when francis left. It wasn't like he was on the IR because Francis was there. Nelson still got 20-25 minutes a game and still got to finish alot of fouth quarters. He was still already on the team, it wasn't like the Magic traded for allstars or futuer hall of famers!!!!
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6/15/2006  4:26 PM
mentally its a big difference.

Howard became unquestionably the franchise guy and for Jameer no one to defer too. he was given a leadership role by the organization and he and the team responded.

16-4 finish and came within a couple games of the 8 seed. they put th epressure on chicago even winning 1 in Chi late in the season. Baby Bulls responded.
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6/15/2006  4:27 PM
Posted by McK1:

mentally its a big difference.

Howard became unquestionably the franchise guy and for Jameer no one to defer too. he was given a leadership role by the organization and he and the team responded.

16-4 finish and came within a couple games of the 8 seed. they put th epressure on chicago even winning 1 in Chi late in the season. Baby Bulls responded.

so.... you're saying Francis was a cancer?
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6/15/2006  4:28 PM
YES I AM.

that doesn't mean he won't perform better here.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-15-2006 4:29 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-15-2006 4:29 PM]
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6/15/2006  4:32 PM
Best case scenario for the upcoming season:

Marbury, Francis, Q, and Jerome James are caught having an illegal party with underaged hookers and drugs and we can void all their contracts, Allan Houston is suddenly healthy and comes back. We let Rose and Mo Taylor expire and we are under the cap with lots of Flexibilty

Crawford/Lowry
Houston/Nate
Q2/Rose
Frye/Lee
Curry/Boone
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6/15/2006  4:34 PM
hey, I like QRich, dammit!

I don't want it misunderstood - I am ready to move on with this team sans Marbury. I just think Francis is the bigger priority to ditch at this point. I think it will be extremely hard to get anything remotely good for Marbury and I think he has far more value here. I'm hoping Isiah as coach can keep him under control. But if we could trade Marbury for an expiring deal I would do it.

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6/15/2006  4:38 PM
Isiah coaching Marbury and Curry would be humorous.

its reported in Indy isiah spent plenty of practice time trying to re-invent post entry amongst his guards (when where and how to pass it) and bigs (how to position and how to catch it) that turned what was normally a 5 minute drill into a 20 minute drill.

Steph is a stubborn dude and Ed isn't a razor. how will he react when they don't get it?

he stopped talking to Tinsley.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-15-2006 4:38 PM]
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6/15/2006  4:41 PM
If Shawne Williams and or Vinicius are there at 20, Id take them over Lowry.

Lowry reminds me of Marcus Banks which isn't saying much.
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6/15/2006  4:54 PM
Posted by McK1:

Isiah coaching Marbury and Curry would be humorous.

its reported in Indy isiah spent plenty of practice time trying to re-invent post entry amongst his guards (when where and how to pass it) and bigs (how to position and how to catch it) that turned what was normally a 5 minute drill into a 20 minute drill.

Steph is a stubborn dude and Ed isn't a razor. how will he react when they don't get it?

he stopped talking to Tinsley.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-15-2006 4:38 PM]

it's funny, people like to make fun of Isiah spending extra time working on post entry passes and yet Jermaine Oneal developed into a 20ppg all-star under him, Artest developed into an all-star who scores in the post, Al Harrington came straight out of high school and is an offensive beast.

...and how did Larry coach entry passes this year? I wonder why we had so many turnovers? Maybe Larry didn't have time to spend the extra 15 minutes working on entry passes because he couldn't miss his appointments with the press aka the venue he REALLY used to communicate with the team.

I never heard the Isiah not talking to Tinsley thing, so I can't comment on it. All I know is that people like to bring up that Iverson and Billups saying Brown was the best coach they ever had (while ignoring the players on Detroit who cheered when he left - and before we say, "well, Detroit sure missed him this year," we all know Det v. Mia the last two years was all about Wade's health). So people like to harp on players supposedly loving Brown - Jermaine O'neal said Zeke was like a father figure to him. Jamal loves him. Marbury loves him. Why is it player opinions count for Brown but not Isiah? oh, right, I forgot, it's the legendary Brown Double Standard.
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6/15/2006  5:12 PM
Zeke and his staff played a big part in the development JO.

its no wonder he shoots so many jumpers, has the field goal percentage of a guard, doesn't get to the line more, chokes in the playoffs, and isn't considered a leader

Tinsley's best season came under Carlisle and so did Ron's.

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6/15/2006  5:19 PM
If Isiah doesn't get it done, he will likely be fired too. I don't see the downside.
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6/15/2006  5:20 PM
there is no downside.
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6/15/2006  5:25 PM
I don't see a Marcus Banks / Lowry comparison. I think you're locked into the height/weight thing. Lowry has balls, smarts & is a defensive stud...things Banks doesn't bring on his best day. Lowry is more like Speedy Claxton or the NJ Net version of Chris Childs.
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6/15/2006  5:32 PM
Posted by purple012870:

I don't see a Marcus Banks / Lowry comparison. I think you're locked into the height/weight thing. Lowry has balls, smarts & is a defensive stud...things Banks doesn't bring on his best day. Lowry is more like Speedy Claxton or the NJ Net version of Chris Childs.

To be fair, Marcus Banks is a very good defensive player, atleast I think so. Overall I agree though, I really don't see the comparison between the two players. Banks isn't the courtgeneral and doesn't have the constant motor that Lowry has.
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6/15/2006  5:39 PM
The drill was intended to teach the Indiana Pacers the correct way to throw the ball to the post, a fundamental part of the game that would take your normal NBA player no more than two or three minutes to master. But the man doing the coaching, Isiah Thomas, was known to sit in his office for hours, trying to come up with new wrinkles for the motion offense that he first learned under his mentor, Bob Knight.

So it was no surprise that the drill never took less than 20 minutes. And that the Pacers practiced it almost every day.

That feed-the-post drill got to be a standing joke for some veterans, who supressed smirks and yawns as Thomas went over every detail, down to the footwork of the man catching the ball.

Isn't Larry Brown known to interrupt practice constantly making sure every detail is done to perfection during practice. So how is Isiah wrong for doing the same thing? Shoot if you switch Isiahs name with a Brown. And Pacers with Knicks. Then how would that quote look to you. Keep the criticism in order.
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Posted by newyorknewyork:
The drill was intended to teach the Indiana Pacers the correct way to throw the ball to the post, a fundamental part of the game that would take your normal NBA player no more than two or three minutes to master. But the man doing the coaching, Isiah Thomas, was known to sit in his office for hours, trying to come up with new wrinkles for the motion offense that he first learned under his mentor, Bob Knight.

So it was no surprise that the drill never took less than 20 minutes. And that the Pacers practiced it almost every day.

That feed-the-post drill got to be a standing joke for some veterans, who supressed smirks and yawns as Thomas went over every detail, down to the footwork of the man catching the ball.

Isn't Larry Brown known to interrupt practice constantly making sure every detail is done to perfection during practice. So how is Isiah wrong for doing the same thing? Shoot if you switch Isiahs name with a Brown. And Pacers with Knicks. Then how would that quote look to you. Keep the criticism in order.

sure but Brown's mantra is KISS.

Isiah as a coach and now GM - ending contracts a trade assets instead of lowering the cap figure and letting them expire - keeps trying to reinvent the wheel.

we have a team of overpaid castoffs with multiple years remaining on their contract Beyond Houston.
where would be if Isiah's original strategy was to do it the traditional way?

he started with all his picks & 04 was a great draft. KT was an ending contract at the same pay rate Ainge was able to secure a future first for when he helped Detroit get Wallace or better yet maybe Dyess as an ending contract gets us Wallace himself from Portland or Atlanta.





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6/15/2006  5:54 PM
Another thing I'm not understanding is when did Lowery become this can't miss??? He played at Villanova.............. where was this during the season??? Now he is a floor General, Ect.....
Again I trust Isiah, but Nate >>>> Lowery. With that in mind, I want an Guard Bigger in nate not the same size as him. Perfect Draft would be some combination of SWilliams/Douby/SBrown/Collins/Armstrong/AJohnson. NOt Lowery and Boone. That is a pretty bad draft in my eyes.

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6/15/2006  7:22 PM
Posted by McK1:

Zeke and his staff played a big part in the development JO.

its no wonder he shoots so many jumpers, has the field goal percentage of a guard,
47.2% is at least average for a forward.
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