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Bonn1997
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6/14/2006  4:22 PM
Curry being a bad player at this point has nothing to do with Larry Brown, it's all on himself.

I don't know about that. Giving a lazy player gauranteed starter's minutes (so long as he's not in foul trouble) is the worst thing you can do. You need your players to earn minutes. Maybe he'd play differently if he knew he'd have to earn his playing time. He didn't have to earn it in Chicago either. They made the same mistake Larry made. Of course Curry also gets blame. No one's absolving him.
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6/14/2006  4:27 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Curry being a bad player at this point has nothing to do with Larry Brown, it's all on himself.

I don't know about that. Giving a lazy player gauranteed starter's minutes (so long as he's not in foul trouble) is the worst thing you can do. You need your players to earn minutes. Maybe he'd play differently if he knew he'd have to earn his playing time. He didn't have to earn it in Chicago either. They made the same mistake Larry made. Of course Curry also gets blame. No one's absolving him.

excellent Bonn, who starts and how did he earn those minutes? SOMEONE has got to start. Curry was on a short leash and that was his lesson.
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6/14/2006  4:31 PM
Curry started because he had to. Isiah would look like an idiot if he gave up all those guaranteed 1st round picks for a backup center. Then again he is an idiot
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6/14/2006  4:37 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Curry being a bad player at this point has nothing to do with Larry Brown, it's all on himself.

I don't know about that. Giving a lazy player gauranteed starter's minutes (so long as he's not in foul trouble) is the worst thing you can do. You need your players to earn minutes. Maybe he'd play differently if he knew he'd have to earn his playing time. He didn't have to earn it in Chicago either. They made the same mistake Larry made. Of course Curry also gets blame. No one's absolving him.

excellent Bonn, who starts and how did he earn those minutes? SOMEONE has got to start. Curry was on a short leash and that was his lesson.

Very short leash. Frequently never finished games and would be taken out after his first foul, not his second.
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6/14/2006  4:37 PM
He only averaged 26 MPG, so it's almost as if he didn't start. ;)
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6/14/2006  5:39 PM
I'm a big fan of keeping the main parts to this team intact. At some point we have to commit to players to build around. It seems like we have talent with Marbury, Francis, Curry, and Frye and should commit to this group and see what they can do.

There's still a chance Francis and Marbury can play together in the right system. I also think Frye and Curry can both develop into a very good frontcourt. We just need players that can compliment this core.

The reason i didn't mention Crawford is because if you keep Marbury and Francis then there isn't really a place for him. They need to deal him, Nate, and Richardson and bring back swing players who can defend and shoot. Jeffries is the ideal player to me because he doesn't need to score but he's a 6'11 SF who can defend and do a little of everything. I say try to trade QRich and Nate for him in a S&T this summer. Then send Crawford and Taylor to Memphis for Eddie Jones. They could really used Crawford because he's a young, slashing combo guard. We could use Jones because he brings defense, outside shooting, and leadership. Draft Shawne Williams and Josh Boone and we have a nice SF and shotblocking big man for the future.

C Curry, Boone, James
PF Frye, Lee, Rose
SF Jeffries, Jones, Williams
SG Francis, Jones
PG Marbury, Francis, Free agent point.

That's a team i will take my chances with and hope they can just develop together.
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6/14/2006  5:52 PM
I would rather try and draft Shawn williams and Mardy Collins somehow then sign some 6'9 plus no skill player like Aron Williams with 1-2.5 of the MLE. Instead of wasting a draft pick on a no skill player(Boone) and having to trade for a no skill player like Jeffries.

Curry/Butler/Aron
Frye/Lee/Aron
Shawn/Collins
Crawford/Nate
Marbury/Collins

Don't care if JRose-MRose-Taylor-Francis-QRich Don't see another minute as an Knick.(I'm an admitted QRich hater so I could be alittle hard on him). That's a team to grow with.

[Edited by - Anji on 06-14-2006 5:54 PM]
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6/14/2006  5:55 PM
Posted by Rich:

He only averaged 26 MPG, so it's almost as if he didn't start. ;)
When did he average when he wasn't in foul trouble?

Who starts? Anyone over 3'11" who's willing to play his heart out. Unlike many, I was NOT concerned with wins and don't care if the team wins 22 vs 32. The worst case scenario is we have a hardworking team that couldn't do any worse than last year's and Eddy goes into the offseason knowing there's always a spot for him on the bench if he's lazy.
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6/14/2006  5:58 PM
Posted by purple012870:

any belief out there that a presence like Alonzo Mourning gives the Knicks:

a) an intense guy that teaches Curry how to be a professional - note: I don't think Curry is a bad guy, I don't think he's JR Rider like in that he's beyond instruction....I just think that he's on cruise control

b) a major presence under the boards for 20+ minutes a night


don't waste your time suggesting hard working veteran solutions for this team... i suggested going after Zo last year for a low risk contract & got flamed by just about everyone here... meanwhile our biggest area of need last year was shotblocking & veteran leadership.

these guys have a coniption everytime you suggest acquiring anyone over 25 yrs of age, & then they bitch & moan when the young kids they acquire don't have a clue about playing winning basketball because they have no one to learn from.
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6/14/2006  6:12 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by NotFrye:

We couldn't get chris kaman for curry at this point. The best option is to take the hit and move on. Hopefully Curry can be a quality backup at the 5 spot/ a taller, more athletic michael sweetney; start dlee and Channing at the 4/5

That's probably because Kaman is a better overall center than Curry at this point.

Would you trade 2 #1s and 2 #2s for Chris Kaman? That's what we did here. Isiah is a bonehead, time to move on...
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6/14/2006  7:48 PM
Does Curry play next to an top ten player in the league??? Seriously.


People are mad because of the 2nd pick overall. Time to move on.

[Edited by - Anji on 06-15-2006 12:23 AM]
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6/14/2006  7:59 PM
Agreed. I think Kaman is pretty comparable to curry though. Not as good dunking, but more adept on the boards and defensively
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6/14/2006  8:50 PM
dillusional.
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6/14/2006  8:57 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

dillusional.
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6/14/2006  9:04 PM
Posted by NotFrye:

Agreed. I think Kaman is pretty comparable to curry though. Not as good dunking, but more adept on the boards and defensively

I'm sure Kaman would be happy to hear that as he tries to forget (along with you, apparently) that Curry dominated him last season.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 06-14-2006 9:05 PM]
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6/14/2006  9:05 PM
I'm sorry, they have completely different games, I feel that Kaman plays along side someone a lot more comparable to Curry. Kaman? Give me a break. He sucks. And I'm not talking about last year, he sucks in a one good year compared to Curry's worst year sucks.

The beneficiary of playing along side an All Star and MVP candidate.

Snap out of it...THE BASHING HAS TO STOP!

there, I feel better now.

Your moniker alone irks me.
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6/14/2006  9:12 PM
Curry has played in stretches where he requires double teams. Kaman never has or will- they're not even remotely comparable players in that regard.

Conditioning is key for Eddy; with that, he should be able to showcase his attleticscm and quickness for a cat his size. With a guy this young and coming off a summer of very limited activity, I thought he looked good (all things considered). Also, taking into account an adjustment period with new teamates.

Next season is a different story though.. He should come into camp physically prepared and mentally willing to commit on both ends or else!
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6/14/2006  9:26 PM
gm 1 Dec 7 - Kaman 4 pts (2-8) 5 rebs 0 stls 1 asst 3 blocks

gm 2 Feb 7 - Kaman 22 pts on 10-16 shooting, 11 boards 2 assists 1 stl 1 block

gm 1 Curry 24 pts (9-13) 11 rebs 1 ast 1 stl 3 blks

gm 2 Curry 14 pts (5-7) 3 rebs 0 assts 0 stls 0 blocks


Curry dominated the early game. Kaman dominated the late one.

if you want versatility and activity out of the center position Kaman is the choice hands down.

you want a guy that you hope can be an anchor offensively you go with Curry.

question is:

how many GM's choose the activity and versatility from Kaman and try and land a star at another position to pair him with route over hoping Curry's game expands enough that he is an anchor...besides Zeke ?


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for the season 11.9 pts 9.4 rebs 1 asst 1.38 blks from Kaman...and he is only 24

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-14-2006 9:27 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-14-2006 9:32 PM]
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6/14/2006  9:32 PM
Posted by McK1:

gm 1 Dec 7 - Kaman 4 pts (2-8) 5 rebs 0 stls 1 asst 3 blocks

gm 2 Feb 7 - Kaman 22 pts on 10-16 shooting, 11 boards 2 assists 1 stl 1 block

gm 1 Curry 24 pts (9-13) 11 rebs 1 ast 1 stl 3 blks

gm 2 Curry 14 pts (5-7) 3 rebs 0 assts 0 stls 0 blocks


Curry dominated the early game. Kaman dominated the late one.

if you want versatility and activity out of the center position Kaman is the choice hands down.

you want a guy that you hope can be an anchor offensively you go with Curry.

question is:

how many GM's choose the activity and versatility from Kaman and try and land a star at another position to pair him with route over hoping Curry's game expands enough that he is an anchor...besides Zeke ?


[Edited by - McK1 on 06-14-2006 9:27 PM]

Curry was dominating Kaman in that second game, but had foul trouble. Kaman did put up good numbers, and I remember he drew some offensive fouls from Curry that sent Eddy to the bench.

Your second point is the key - Kaman plays with a PF that compliments him extremely well in Brand. Brand needs a guy like Kaman to do some dirty work. Curry needs a guy like Kaman to do the dirty work for him. This is about building a team of complimentary players that make sense together. I think a guy like Boone or Kmart would help Curry tremendously. You have to build a team that compliments one another, no matter who you build around. AD sucked, but he complimented Curry pretty well. The Knicks need to get a young version of AD who isn't quite so far gone.

The Knicks had nothing on their frontline at all, so acquiring Curry makes sense. Now, Zeke has to get him a complimentary part. I don't think Frye and Curry can start together.
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6/14/2006  9:43 PM
This whole discussion is moot.

Curry is not going anywhere anytime soon as long is Isiah is in town.
Even more so than with Marbury, Isiah's reputation is at stake with
this trade. Unless some great offer he can't refuse rolls in
-- which it won't -- Curry's got to stay to justify the price we
paid for him. Politics, you see. Isiah has to protect himself.
And he's never admitted a mistake yet.
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