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6/13/2006  3:07 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Curry for Dalembert baby!


i wouldn't go that far, but i would definitely do something like this:

Curry, Nate & both picks for Dalembert & Iguodala
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6/13/2006  3:24 PM
Posted by crzymdups:



...hmm, he was cleared to work out, yet you used to like to tell me that doctors didn't clear him to play? so which is it?

I've heard he didn't work out all last summer. most likely that was because he didn't have a contract, and possibly had somethign to do with Paxson telling everyone Curry was going to die any moment without an (inconclusive) DNA test...

Curry probably didn't play because if an episode happened poof no contract.

Chicago not clearing him to play since he refused to take the DNA test is not the same as doctors clearing him to workout. I didn't have to tell you anything. I always included LINKS.


however I'm still waiting on proof Eddy's contract is insured


[Edited by - McK1 on 06-13-2006 3:26 PM]
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6/13/2006  3:49 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

history...history...history.

he has come into camp in shape only once, and that was two seasons ago, his contract year, with rumors swirling around about using an ephedra based product...which may have contributed to his heart condition.

we'll all find out within the next 4 months where he's at but i don't think anybody can confidently say that curry will show up in shape and be ready to roll.

so he led the league in FG% while being an out of shape 21 yr old? not too shabby.
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6/13/2006  3:50 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

history...history...history.

he has come into camp in shape only once, and that was two seasons ago, his contract year, with rumors swirling around about using an ephedra based product...which may have contributed to his heart condition.

we'll all find out within the next 4 months where he's at but i don't think anybody can confidently say that curry will show up in shape and be ready to roll.

so he led the league in FG% while being an out of shape 21 yr old? not too shabby.

he's a dunker...and that's pretty much it.
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6/13/2006  3:51 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

history...history...history.

he has come into camp in shape only once, and that was two seasons ago, his contract year, with rumors swirling around about using an ephedra based product...which may have contributed to his heart condition.

we'll all find out within the next 4 months where he's at but i don't think anybody can confidently say that curry will show up in shape and be ready to roll.

so he led the league in FG% while being an out of shape 21 yr old? not too shabby.

he's a dunker...and that's pretty much it.

we'll see.
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6/13/2006  3:57 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

history...history...history.

he has come into camp in shape only once, and that was two seasons ago, his contract year, with rumors swirling around about using an ephedra based product...which may have contributed to his heart condition.

we'll all find out within the next 4 months where he's at but i don't think anybody can confidently say that curry will show up in shape and be ready to roll.

so he led the league in FG% while being an out of shape 21 yr old? not too shabby.

he's a dunker...and that's pretty much it.

we'll see.

it's all hope at this point. nothing substantial to base it on. i hope he pans out but i'm not holding my breath.
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6/13/2006  4:11 PM
i find this as all the more reason we should be hopeful about Eddy..... Shaq and Z are the only 2 postup back to basket players left yes...... but they are both old!!! if curry can get into his prime he would be one of the only of his kind.. thus DOMINANT... and quite an advantage for our team
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6/13/2006  4:21 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

it's all hope at this point. nothing substantial to base it on. i hope he pans out but i'm not holding my breath.

I'm sorry, but that's patently ridiculous. If you want to be pessimistic, fine. But scoring 16ppg as a 21yr-old back to the basket center and leading the league in FG% count as substantial.

Your reasons for not trusting, while maybe valid, are completely anecdotal - "he doesn't seem to give his all," or, "I know he wasn't able to work out over the summer and missed training camp with an injury, but I FEEL like he will always be out of shape..." It's a pretty tenuous argument and after the season we all just suffered through I don't blame you for being a pessimist, but you have to realize that you are in fact being a pessimist and unfairly judging Curry and probably blaming him for the draft pick which is more than a little unfair.
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6/13/2006  4:39 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

it's all hope at this point. nothing substantial to base it on. i hope he pans out but i'm not holding my breath.

I'm sorry, but that's patently ridiculous. If you want to be pessimistic, fine. But scoring 16ppg as a 21yr-old back to the basket center and leading the league in FG% count as substantial.

Your reasons for not trusting, while maybe valid, are completely anecdotal - "he doesn't seem to give his all," or, "I know he wasn't able to work out over the summer and missed training camp with an injury, but I FEEL like he will always be out of shape..." It's a pretty tenuous argument and after the season we all just suffered through I don't blame you for being a pessimist, but you have to realize that you are in fact being a pessimist and unfairly judging Curry and probably blaming him for the draft pick which is more than a little unfair.

nothing i said is anecdotal. what i said was that he never came into camp in shape outside of his contract year. that's a fact. it's not pessimistic...it's REALISTIC. he's a fine piece to have but to assume that he's going to blossom into something special is nothing but hope b/c there is nothing in his past that indicates he will. i'm taking a total wait and see approach but i'm not expecting anything special.

on the flip side, we saw channing frye have a great work ethic (like in arizona) and expand his game by putting the ball on the floor and posting up more. there's cause for optimism b/c there is evidence to support that cause.
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6/13/2006  4:47 PM
"in shape" = anecdotal

"led league in FG% and 16ppg" = fact

you could point to his low rebound totals and I'd say you have a much stronger argument. you're saying he can't stay on the floor because he's not in shape, other people are pointing the more accurate reason that he gets into foul trouble.

I'm sorry you have a low opinion of Curry, but I really think there is more substantial evidence that he is a skilled player in this league than you are giving him credit for.
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6/13/2006  4:51 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by bobs3304:

Curry for Dalembert baby!


i wouldn't go that far, but i would definitely do something like this:

Curry, Nate & both picks for Dalembert & Iguodala

Hmmm. How about this trade
Knicks trade Rose, Taylor, Frye, Nate, #29
Philly trades Webber, Iggy, Ollie, Salmons(cap filler)
Bobcats trade Wallace & Knight
Knicks get Webber, Wallace, Ollie, Salmons
Philly gets Rose, Taylor, Frye, Knight
Bobcats get Iggy, Nate, #29
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6/13/2006  4:55 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

you could point to his low rebound totals and I'd say you have a much stronger argument. you're saying he can't stay on the floor because he's not in shape, other people are pointing the more accurate reason that he gets into foul trouble.

Isn't one of the reasons he is always in foul trouble is because he keeps reaching when playing D and not moving his feet. Trying to barrell himself into the paint from 10 feet away rather than establishing position 6 feet away and actually using his array of skillful moves in the offensive side.

Is that laziness or is he out of shape?
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6/13/2006  5:00 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by crzymdups:

you could point to his low rebound totals and I'd say you have a much stronger argument. you're saying he can't stay on the floor because he's not in shape, other people are pointing the more accurate reason that he gets into foul trouble.

Isn't one of the reasons he is always in foul trouble is because he keeps reaching when playing D and not moving his feet. Trying to barrell himself into the paint from 10 feet away rather than establishing position 6 feet away and actually using his array of skillful moves in the offensive side.

Is that laziness or is he out of shape?

...or lack of fundamentals. bottom line, he doesn't do it, but speculating why is really just speculating. like I said, I'm giving Curry a sort of pass for last season given the circumstances he left Chicago and then the "out of the frying pan into the fire" situation he was dumped into here. I hope the culture is better here next season and I hope Curry can get his legs back this summer and we'll see...

but let's be honest, pretty much every player on this squad posted career lows across the board. Larry Brown created a horrible culture and had a horrible system that exposed his players weaknesses. I'd like to see what Curry looks like under a coach who is playing to his players strengths. I'd like to see if Curry looks decent in a zone defense. for now, I'll file that under: Things I Never Got To See Under Larry Brown.
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6/13/2006  5:25 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by bobs3304:

Curry for Dalembert baby!


i wouldn't go that far, but i would definitely do something like this:

Curry, Nate & both picks for Dalembert & Iguodala

Hmmm. How about this trade
Knicks trade Rose, Taylor, Frye, Nate, #29
Philly trades Webber, Iggy, Ollie, Salmons(cap filler)
Bobcats trade Wallace & Knight
Knicks get Webber, Wallace, Ollie, Salmons
Philly gets Rose, Taylor, Frye, Knight
Bobcats get Iggy, Nate, #29


i would definitely try to get Dalembert as part of that deal cuz w/o him this team would be way too exposed in the frontcourt D:

NY trades Curry, Jalen, Frye, Nate & the #29
NY gets Dalembert, Webber, Wallace & Knight

PHI trades Webber, Iggy, Dalembert
PHI gets Rose, Frye, Curry

CHA trades Knight & Wallace
CHA gets Nate, Iggy & the #29

new Knicks:
C - Dalembert / Butler
PF - Webber / Lee / Malik
SF - Wallace / Q Rich / Woods
SG - Poisonbury / Francine
PG - Knight / Crawford
IR - Big Turd / Mo T / #20 pick

[Edited by - TMS on 06-13-2006 5:33 PM]
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6/13/2006  5:31 PM
If Isiah is here there is no way Curry will be traded. End of story.
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6/13/2006  5:40 PM
the bench mark for him is NOT hitting 18 a game

if he haves yet another season where he averages more turnovers than assists steals and blocks combined he has accomplished ZILCH as for as growth as a player.

for a guy who touches and draws so much attention 10 assists for the season through January is absolutely UNACCEPTABLE.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-13-2006 5:41 PM]
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6/13/2006  5:45 PM
Posted by McK1:

the bench mark for him is NOT hitting 18 a game

if he haves yet another season where he averages more turnovers than assists steals and blocks combined he has accomplished ZILCH as for as growth as a player.

for a guy who touches and draws so much attention 10 assists for the season through January is absolutely UNACCEPTABLE.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-13-2006 5:41 PM]

"for the season through January" aka his first 20 or so games back, without a training camp, without a summer of training, coming off two lingering leg injuries that forced him to miss 11 games and hampered him until Janaury.

This is ridiculous.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 06-13-2006 5:45 PM]
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6/13/2006  5:51 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:

the bench mark for him is NOT hitting 18 a game

if he haves yet another season where he averages more turnovers than assists steals and blocks combined he has accomplished ZILCH as for as growth as a player.

for a guy who touches and draws so much attention 10 assists for the season through January is absolutely UNACCEPTABLE.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-13-2006 5:41 PM]

"for the season through January" aka his first 20 or so games back, without a training camp, without a summer of training, coming off two lingering leg injuries that forced him to miss 11 games and hampered him until Janaury.

This is ridiculous.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 06-13-2006 5:45 PM]


lol this is his career trend. oh right. he wasn't coached properly in chicago


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6/13/2006  7:06 PM
I think all the opinions expressed are valid. Some don't agree but I think we all can agree that this is a make or break season for curry. He has to produce.

Ephedra is the reason curry had a terrible season. The stuff works but its terrible because it cheats your body into over working. You have to have a withdrawl period with it just like a drug abuser. Not being able to workout and then not playing basketball until he showed up to knicks training camp(which is what you guys were debating about, but never brought it up)

Forget back to the basket. Just remember the whoppin that curry have to the knicks year after year while he was a bull. Curry was unstoppable.

Let's hope that after this terrible season guys learn from it and come ready at the start of camp. After a season like last year all the guys better come correct.
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6/13/2006  8:35 PM
I really don't get how unreasonable some fans are when it comes to Curry. The man is the same age as Frye!!! He didn't play college ball and trust me he needed it. You play in the pros and there isn't as much actual practice time to work on your game. People think that just because you're in the pros that you should just get better faster, but that's not how it works, which is why they have the NBDL. THINK PEOPLE! Curry is a victim of the expectations that shouldn't have been placed on him so early. I think he's a better player than many of you realize and you're lack of patience will come back to bite you in the arse.
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