Posted by rvhoss:

David Lee!! Can we give the rebounding machine some time to develop? I thought we were more patient than the average knick fan because we post our opinions? I know i would know waaaay less were it not for Briggy...that kid is dialed in. Keep the team in tact, you build chemistry.

Stats:
David Lee 6-9 249 ROOKIE
Reggie Evans 6-8 245

Lee/Evans:
PPG 5.1/5.6
RPG 4.5/7.5
BPG .30/.15
FG% .596/.489
FT% .577/.530

MPG 16.9/20.8

Evans is an expensive David Lee with NO UPSIDE.

I PREFER DAVID LEE!!!

next.

You don't keep a 23 win team in tact. I do agree that if we are going for youth we need to focus upon building around them. This doesn't mean give them playing time if they haven't earned it, but it does mean building with their futures in mind. Here's the problem with David. If he doesn't become a better defender at the three then his time is going to be limited or his effect on our winning will be limiting. Reality is reality. We all love Frye and Lee, but one of them has to learn to defend the SF position or settle for being a backup.

The backcourt is perhaps the biggest weak point. Individually they are all fantastic and fun to watch. But at some point we have to think about finding someone to defend the perimeter and move the ball.

to start, Reggie Evans is no starter in my eyes...and for that matter, neither is David Lee.

So, with being a starter put out of the equation.

I take david lee over reggie evans.

Channing Frye should be our starter at the 4. David Lee should get 15 minutes behind him. This is the only position on the team that I am hopeful about.

At the 5, Curry, Butler & perhaps Boone (or another 4/5 hybrid acquired thru the draft) is an acceptable rotation.

The 3 is a mess, with one guy likely to be lost despite nice potential(Q Woods). Another guy riding out his career while making huge $$$ in J Rose.

Obviously, the guard situation is littered with me 1st guys.

The reason Malik Rose got minutes is that LB was throwing the season. The majority of the time, Rose couldn't cover anybody, hit an open look or do anything that required coordination. But he's in the Eric Snow mold, so he stole minutes from people that needed the experience. How could LB not say..."ok Channing & David, you guys are our future & are smart, hard working players...the job is yours". I mean, its not like it mattered...we were blown out by the 2nd quarter in most games.

I'm okay w/the Malik Rose/Lee/Frye triumverate as long as Rose is the extreme minority re: minutes. I like him as a 12th man until his contract runs out (b/c he's one of the few with competitiveness). But I just don't think he has the talent to play in the league anymore, at least not w/ any significant minutes.

Lee is an active, athletic guy who can finish, ball handle & rebound at a great rate. He looks like he'll be a very unique player in this regard.

Evans is a great rebounder who does nothing else.

Use Lee & save the MLE for somebody like Speedy Claxton (assuming we're able to dump one of the Marbury/Francis duo).

Let's not go overboard with the minutes. Malik averaged 15 minutes a game between PF and minimally at center. That left about 33 minutes for Frye and Lee at PF and does not include the minutes Lee got at the SF. Malik is not here to steal minutes. He's here as the one vet that actually gives an honest everyday effort no matter how bad he is. Malik is not here to to win games he is here to be a leader. Let's stop worrying about how many wins we have.

Frye and Lee developed nicely as the season went on and you will see them continue to develop. Handing minutes to guys does not turn them into stars. Teaching them the proper way to play is the way. Unfortunately management not Rose are stealing minutes from these guys by not developing a team. We have 144 minutes at the SF/PF/C positions. We have Jalen, QWoods, Lee, Frye, Butler, Curry, James, Rose and sometimes Richardson taking those minutes. Not everyone can play. Besides the obvious James(who isn't so obvious if he comes to camp in shape) how are you effectively dividing minutes? It's tougher than you think. This is why we need role players that are happy playing 15 minutes a night and not biotching about it. Hence Rose.

Handing minutes to guys does not turn them into stars.

Remind us who wants to "hand" minutes to young players

Now once again before we start the cycle of arguing. This is my opinion and in no way means that I think I am smarter or better than the person I was responding to. He has his opinion as to how things should be handled and I have mine. I personally have seen too many Darius Miles' handed minutes and never improving their games. That and coaching have helped to shape my OPINION. And should not be taken personally in any manner. Whether you think vets should play or youth still does not settle the mess we are in.

Give minutes to vets and the rookies have to ride the pine. Give minutes to rookies and the vets biotch and moan and in the end it hurts the KNICKS EITHER WAY. That's why we need role players that can accept roles and hungry young guys that are perfectly okay with having to step up their games in order to get more minuts. This is how you develop a team that works hard every night instead of making excuses.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 06-08-2006 5:53 PM]