I guess everybody angry about this season result.
But it was no way to get different outcome.
In professional sport owners are making money from the players-heroes (see Dirk, Wayd, Koby, etc.) and players-clowns (see Marbs, JJ, TT, etc.).
Mr. Dolan decided that he want to have KnicksGlobtrollers so he made it so. You can make anything if you have enough money...
LB wasn't the right choice for another clown - so he will be gone. But others - IT, Marb, JJ, ect. will continue to perform in the Garden and around it.
I guess there are still a lot of people to pay for this..

I don't think Marbury's exempt from any criticism. He's the most criticized basketball player and probably one of the ten most criticized athletes in the world.

If Marbury was traded for ending salary and a top 7 draft pick. How many people would cry about it on this board. And make post after post on how that was the wrong decision as Marbury is our savior??

There may be people who try and keep in order the amount of criticsm he gets though. As if there wasn't people like that. Then Marbury would be getting blamed for 911, and shooting Kennedy. If anyone gets criticized for anything it comes back to Marbury some how. If the criticism was kept in order then there probably wouldn't be to many arguments. The problem is people trying to put the person they support problems on somone else.

I remember when Houston first got his contract, I was pissed. Only because I read in one of the NY papers that Houston threatend that if he didn't get his 100+ mil that he was going to go back to Detroit for less money. Putting Layden in a bad position. So to me if he was going to demand that much money then he better step up and improve those other areas that he lacks. I got over it though, as I don't know how much of a fact that article was. And I grew to realize Houston was who he was and he was good at what he did excell at. Then the effort he put in the next season won me over.

We could also ask the question as to why was Houston was above all criticsm to some as well. If Houston got criticsm for anything then it was Sprewells fault. Can we ever keep in order the things each person individualy deos wrong. We all do the same thing im not excluded.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

I don't think Marbury's exempt from any criticism. He's the most criticized basketball player and probably one of the ten most criticized athletes in the world.

who would the other 9 be? just curious.

A-Rod
Kobe
TO
Bonds

the list goes on and on...

i was being a wise ass.

This thread is utterly ridiculous. Yeah guys lets stop giving Steph a pass. Hey Fish, what did you do just wake up out of a coma. A former Knick bashes Marbury and its plastered on the front page of the site. Look at my signature, and remember that that article was written in december.

you really don't get it... the problem i have is not w/the state of the team... that goes squarely on Isiah's shoulders... that's a completely separate topic altogether... no one is BLAMING Steph for the miserable season we had last year... the problem i have w/him is that he continues to be a negative presence in the lockerroom, his constant egomaniacal ways, the ways he alienates teammates & ruins team chemistry, the knocking of heads w/a head coach who knows more about winning than Steph ever has or ever will (though I have said time & time again that LB shares in the blame there as well), his stupidity in making ridiculous comments, his inability to play defense for any appreciable stretch of games, his unwillingness to conform to any system that doesn't cater to him racking up stats, & his general assholish personality when it comes to the game (not talking about his off the court endeavors cuz i know he does participate in some charity events & the like, to which i give him credit for)...

you can spare me the lecture on the state of the Knicks... i watch the games too & i don't put the blame of that embarassing season squarely on Stephon Marbury's shoulders, but he certainly does need to accept his share of accountability, which he never has done.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-08-2006 09:55 AM]

Steph is killing the cap. The only difference is that when Houston was here, the removal of his contract brought us close to being under the cap. With Marbs, remove his contract and we're still nowhere near being under the cap. Isiah has really starphucked this team, hasn't he?

Posted by Bippity10:

Solace removing Houston's contract still left us 30 some odd million over the cap.

Depends on which year you're talking about. When he first got the contract, that wasn't true. A few trades later, yes. When Marbury came aboard we were already in cap hell. Now we're in even worse cap hell.

I do agree that Marbury's contract is a killer. However it's, by no means, the only killer contract we have on payroll. We have a portion of the roster which is earning like $60mm and putting up $10mm worth of production.

[Edited by - Solace on 06-08-2006 8:47 PM]

Posted by TMS:

you really don't get it... the problem i have is not w/the state of the team... that goes squarely on Isiah's shoulders... that's a completely separate topic altogether... no one is BLAMING Steph for the miserable season we had last year... the problem i have w/him is that he continues to be a negative presence in the lockerroom, his constant egomaniacal ways, the ways he alienates teammates & ruins team chemistry, the knocking of heads w/a head coach who knows more about winning than Steph ever has or ever will (though I have said time & time again that LB shares in the blame there as well), his stupidity in making ridiculous comments, his inability to play defense for any appreciable stretch of games, his unwillingness to conform to any system that doesn't cater to him racking up stats, & his general assholish personality when it comes to the game (not talking about his off the court endeavors cuz i know he does participate in some charity events & the like, to which i give him credit for)...

you can spare me the lecture on the state of the Knicks... i watch the games too & i don't put the blame of that embarassing season squarely on Stephon Marbury's shoulders, but he certainly does need to accept his share of accountability, which he never has done.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-08-2006 09:55 AM]

I understand that TMS. But to be real. If Marbury had the same exact personality. But for 15mins of almost every game in the 4th quarter the guy put the team on his back. Hit clutch shots and carried the team winning a lot more games. Would you really care about the other things?? I don't think to many people care though we sometimes fool ourselves into thinking we do. Its about how cappable is Marbury of winning games for us. And he hasn't proven to be cappable of taking over games & winning to many. That is why he is expendable especially given the salary he has. Marbury was the same exact person he was when Pheniox overachieved that yr and won 44games and pushed the Spurs except Marbury put the team on his back and took over games down the stretch. The same reason why a lot of people let Larry Brown slide for being the same "DIVA" that Marbury is. Because in the end Larry Brown can win games. Thats what it comes down to. Thats the part we should probably focus on because in the end. Thats the part we really care about.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by TMS:

you really don't get it... the problem i have is not w/the state of the team... that goes squarely on Isiah's shoulders... that's a completely separate topic altogether... no one is BLAMING Steph for the miserable season we had last year... the problem i have w/him is that he continues to be a negative presence in the lockerroom, his constant egomaniacal ways, the ways he alienates teammates & ruins team chemistry, the knocking of heads w/a head coach who knows more about winning than Steph ever has or ever will (though I have said time & time again that LB shares in the blame there as well), his stupidity in making ridiculous comments, his inability to play defense for any appreciable stretch of games, his unwillingness to conform to any system that doesn't cater to him racking up stats, & his general assholish personality when it comes to the game (not talking about his off the court endeavors cuz i know he does participate in some charity events & the like, to which i give him credit for)...

you can spare me the lecture on the state of the Knicks... i watch the games too & i don't put the blame of that embarassing season squarely on Stephon Marbury's shoulders, but he certainly does need to accept his share of accountability, which he never has done.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-08-2006 09:55 AM]

I understand that TMS. But to be real. If Marbury had the same exact personality. But for 15mins of almost every game in the 4th quarter the guy put the team on his back. Hit clutch shots and carried the team winning a lot more games. Would you really care about the other things?? I don't think to many people care though we sometimes fool ourselves into thinking we do. Its about how cappable is Marbury of winning games for us. And he hasn't proven to be cappable of taking over games & winning to many. That is why he is expendable especially given the salary he has. Marbury was the same exact person he was when Pheniox overachieved that yr and won 44games and pushed the Spurs except Marbury put the team on his back and took over games down the stretch. The same reason why a lot of people let Larry Brown slide for being the same "DIVA" that Marbury is. Because in the end Larry Brown can win games. Thats what it comes down to. Thats the part we should probably focus on because in the end. Thats the part we really care about.

Actually Houston lost as many games you are crediting him for winning but you avoid those games.