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EnySpree
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6/4/2006  3:03 AM
Kt could guard centers.....but dude could not guard power fwds. How many times did KT get embarassed by Kenny Thomas while in a Knick uni?

Frye did an ok job defending.....not terrible, but not good either so don't get me wrong. Still the defense that was played on Frye was not very good either whenever the Knicks went to Frye.

I think the overall team defense sucked cuz guys had no idea what they were supposed to do as a team....how often did the other team just fly down the court or down the lane and score so easily and the Knicks players are just standing around looking for someone to do something?

Nobody had a clue what they should be doing as a team.....defense is team not just individual....same could be said about the offense I wish you guys would see that already.

This team now needs a coach that believes in the players....not a guy that complains all the time and gets out of his car looking to start trouble.....dude just needs to go. He is acting like he is trying to get out too. But you guys flipped that back on Dolan and Isiah.

Bottom line....The players mentioned won't help. Knicks just gotta clean up the roster and start the season again.....let a more stable coach come in and put guys in roles and run an offense with a steady rotation of guys that deserve to play.....then make moves when they become available....simple aint it but Quite clever.

[Edited by - enyspree on 06-04-2006 03:14 AM]
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6/4/2006  3:25 AM
NY was clueless as a team the prior season as well.

is it all the coaches fault or are the players uncoachable


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EnySpree
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6/4/2006  12:06 PM
Posted by McK1:

NY was clueless as a team the prior season as well.

is it all the coaches fault or are the players uncoachable

It is a little of both.....just alot of mofo's...not just here on this site....but all over the city are saying the players were uncoachable. Alot of these guys either came from good college programs, or they came off of winning seasons. Some came off their best as pros......now all of a sudden they are uncoachable.

Brown is in charge of putting the guys in roles and setting plan for these guys to sucseed on both ends of the floor.

I think its foul that Detroit came out and complained about the coach......still alot of guys are saying that if they had Brown they woul dof won.....but I thought it was the players. Flip Saunders responded by saying the guys weren't doing their jobs....where the Detroit Pistons uncoachable in the playoffs? They sure look like they gave up on the coach.....but no one will say that.

Brown never did his basic job as coach. He had the talent. Why didn't he win. Getting the second worse record in the NBA is an embarrassment. Knicks should have won at least the same amount of games than the season before that. This season is a mess......

The same way people are getting on Flip Saunders they should be getting on Brown....

What happened to the Spurs? Did Pop do his job? Were the players uncoachable? No one is saying squat about them.........The Spurs just lost to a better Dallas team.
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6/4/2006  12:08 PM
i would NOT trade frye. you got a couple more years with him at rookie salary to see just how good he can be. play it out.
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6/4/2006  2:43 PM
I like Frye's head for the game. He seems like the kind of bright and passionate guy that you want on your team. He WILL be a leader of this team in time. He has that kind of personality. We only got to see him under some of the worst circumstances. LB really did Frye a disservice. He kept promising to start him and then wouldn't do it. He cut his minutes and really I just don't like how he used him in the offense. LB basically messed up the confidence of so many players on this team last year. ALL of our young players have game and there's no reason to make a switch at this point. I'd like to see how they do with a bigger role next year and actually HAVING a role would be nice. I say keep Frye and lets build with these guys.
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6/4/2006  3:00 PM
Posted by McK1:

Frye goes 10th


hahhaaha,, first it is the batista love


Now it's this?

LOL...

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6/4/2006  5:21 PM
No player that we can trade for with a package of Frye is going to come here and turn this squad into a play off caliber team.

We are 3 years out from possibly being a good team. Frye, Lee and Nate should be considered untouchable, not because they're great, but because they are young and cheap and might become really good players.
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6/5/2006  9:52 AM
we're never going to win a title as long as Marbury is the PG, i'm convinced of it... so i say build for the future, make roster moves to free up cap space, wait until Marbury's contract is tradeable or he can be bought out, & then go after a championship strong a couple seasons down the road.

while normally i would be all for trading for a superstar like KG, i don't think reuniting him w/Marbury is going to bring us any championships to celebrate... all that's going to do is to validate Isiah's trade of Marbury & delay the rebuilding even further... we need to start by getting rid of the negative presence on this roster imho.

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Posted by EnySpree:

The reality of it all is the knicks are young and had the wrong coach and wrong mix of vets playing with them.

Frye, curry, and marbs should be a dominant force. Let marbs be marbs. I bet frye and curry would be tons better because essentially we are looking at two souped up versions of kt and nazr.....am I right or wrong or did a lot of us forget everything since brown got here.

Isiah is not perfect but he has tried to make moves to fill holes lots of the moves seemed great but they backfired on him by bringing brown in.

Now I'm looking at stability. The knicks need a 3 cuz I think we all feel jalen doesn't fit. Stephan Jackson is a guy that could probably come in and bring stability. We all know how loyal and consistant he is. That would solve a lot.


Another thing is the knicks have to believe in Crawford again. Dude was playing like he finally got it down the stretch. After that the knicks have David lee to be the rebounder off the bench. Jerome James need a role. No post up just get mean and rebound, block and foul.

That leaves the knicks searching for a partner to take Francis and his fagot ass away from the roster. Cut jalen, and month.

Time to think practicle. Nate is a scorer but he is gonna have to learn to be a point. I'm sure he is working on that now. Nate could take marbs job if he beaks down and if not he is a capable backup.

That is thinking practicle. All that other **** is lame.
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6/5/2006  10:35 AM
Posted by McK1:

Frye goes 10th

Ridiculous.
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6/5/2006  11:40 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:

Frye goes 10th

Ridiculous.

More like absolutely moronic.
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6/5/2006  11:52 AM
you guys are true blue idiots if you think Frye goes before

in no particular order
Bargnini
Gay
Marcus Williams
Foye
Aldrige
Morrison
O' Bryant
Tyrus Thomas
Roy
Sheldan Williams

based on workouts Carney and Reddick could push him to 13

and please save the nbadraft.net comparison for Aldrige, he goes before Frye on the upside argument.


[Edited by - McK1 on 06-05-2006 11:53 AM]
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6/5/2006  1:00 PM
On the offensive side. If you look at what Fyre-Curry & KT-Muhammad bring to the table. I think that they are pretty much the same. Except Curry & Frye might be better then those 2 and have more room to grow on the offensive side of the ball. Frye has potential to do more with the pick and roll. And Curry can be a more dangerous scorer than Muhammad off of the put backs, tip ins, offensive rebounds, post game. While on defense KT is a way way better defender then either of them. While Muhammad is a better rebounder than either of them.

They must surround Frye & Curry with gritty, defensive, rebounding, shotblocking types at SF, backup PF(maybe Lee), backup center.

We also need a pure, pass first, defensive PG. And have to move Francis, Marbury, Rose, Rose, Taylor, James. But we aren't going to be able to do all those things in one offseason. So for now we need to build slowly through the draft. Play these guys in a position of strength so they look good to other teams even if it doesn't mean we are playing championship ball. Trade them off for shorter salary, buy them out, or let them walk. If done right they could make ride Marbury-Francis-Rose-Frye-Curry-Nate-Crawford-Woods-Lee to an 8th seed while they are building for the future and be free of salary in 3yrs. And become a true contender.
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6/5/2006  5:56 PM
>>based on workouts Carney and Reddick could push him to 13

Okay, NOW I get it... according to McK1 a workout behind closed doors against college players is more valuabale than playing against pros when the lights are on

what the hell was I thinking?

Channing Frye drops to 13th in the 2006 draft.

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6/5/2006  6:23 PM
Posted by misterearl:

>>based on workouts Carney and Reddick could push him to 13

Okay, NOW I get it... according to McK1 a workout behind closed doors against college players is more valuabale than playing against pros when the lights are on

what the hell was I thinking?

Channing Frye drops to 13th in the 2006 draft.

okayfine


I have no clue about any of the players being drafted this summer, but Frye was voted to the Rookie team and thus, at a minimum, was a top five player picked this past draft.
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6/5/2006  7:20 PM
Posted by misterearl:

>>based on workouts Carney and Reddick could push him to 13

Okay, NOW I get it... according to McK1 a workout behind closed doors against college players is more valuabale than playing against pros when the lights are on

what the hell was I thinking?

Channing Frye drops to 13th in the 2006 draft.

okayfine

I'm sorry I thought we were talking about the draft process.
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6/5/2006  7:25 PM
Posted by franco12:




I have no clue about any of the players being drafted this summer, but Frye was voted to the Rookie team and thus, at a minimum, was a top five player picked this past draft.

about the all-rookie selections

Gomes made all rookie 2nd team and he only played the last couple of months. Alot of the rookies in that class barely played.
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6/5/2006  7:58 PM
what's your point?
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6/5/2006  8:05 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

what's your point?

not alot to choose from. contrast it with the 04 class which Isiah shyot on by acquiring Steph. picking 1st and 2nd team all rookies was actually work for the committee.
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6/5/2006  9:56 PM
>>I'm sorry I thought we were talking about the draft process.


McK1 - a Frye in the hand is worth two unproven draft picks in the bushes

The draft is a crapshoot. Frye has PROVEN he can play at the NBA level and play WELL.

Workouts are just that... workouts. The next thing you'll be gushing over Summer League stats. Remember how Frye struggled last Summer?

Give me the player with PROVEN performance as a PROFESIONAL and (cough) upside



[Edited by - misterearl on 06-05-2006 9:58 PM]
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