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5/31/2006  12:46 AM
Reporters Flag Down Brown and Get a Roadside Interview


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By MAREK FUCHS
Published: May 31, 2006

GREENBURGH, N.Y., May 30 — For weeks, reporters have been trying to get someone within the Knicks to comment on the franchise's fractured state of affairs. On Tuesday, Larry Brown obliged, climbing out of his Audi after reporters approached him at a traffic light and saying that he felt "like a dead man walking."

Brown spoke with a smile, and why not? Tuesday's setting with curious motorists driving past while Brown discussed life on a limb was on par with the other bizarre scenes the Knicks have produced in recent weeks.

Four times during the past 10 days, including Tuesday, Brown has worked out prospective draft picks while Isiah Thomas, the team's president has watched from the sideline of the Knicks' practice facility. Reporters were not allowed to watch the workouts or talk to Brown or Thomas, who, along with the team owner James Dolan, apparently wants Brown sent packing.

Instead, the college players were marched into the Knicks' news media room and asked by reporters to deconstruct every interaction between Brown and Thomas they had witnessed. In somewhat bemused fashion, they tried to comply.

At one point last week, reporters tried to approach Brown by walking to the exit of the players' parking lot. Security guards ordered the reporters to leave and soon the police were on the scene, threatening to make arrests.

The reporters ended up standing in the weeds alongside a busy street that cuts in front of the facility and eventually Brown left, waving from behind the windows of a sports utility vehicle as he passed.

On Tuesday, Brown did more than wave. He pulled over. The reporters had camped several blocks from the first traffic light Brown was likely to stop at. When he saw them, he steered his car onto an access road, parked and did something he could not stop himself from doing all season. He talked.

"As many questions as you have, I have," Brown said when asked to address the notion that he is finished as Knicks coach after a disastrous 23-59 season.

Brown said he had not spoken to the front office about his status and was operating in the same information vacuum that many others are. But he maintained that he wants to stay with the Knicks.

"I have no answers," he said. "I don't know what they've done in the past with the coach. Have they always had police escorts?"

The remark could be taken as a dig at an organization that grew increasingly agitated last season as Brown expressed his discontent with the Knicks' expensive and unproductive roster and with his feud with point guard Stephon Marbury.

Brown has made it clear that he thinks the Knicks need an overhaul. But Thomas and Dolan have apparently concluded that could be messy, expensive and perhaps unrealistic, and that it might be easier to dismiss Brown, even though he is owed $40 million for the remainder of the five-year contract he signed in July.

For now, Brown, a 65-year-old Hall of Famer who thought New York would be the last stop in his career, is awaiting clarification.

Brown won a championship with the Detroit Pistons in the 2003-4 season, and he said he was having trouble watching them struggle in the Eastern Conference finals against Miami.

He said that as he was driving home Monday night to Greenwich, Conn., from his summer home in East Hampton, he received telephone updates on the Detroit-Miami game from Knicks assistant coach Dave Hanners.

Detroit lost and is a game from elimination in its first season under Brown's replacement, Flip Saunders. But Brown said the turn of events in Detroit gave him no sense of redemption. "They win games, they're better," he said. "They lose games, they need Larry. I don't have any fun in that."

Asked if he wanted to return as Knicks coach, Brown nodded: "I'm doing my job. I want to coach."

"You don't want it to end like that," he added. And with that, he climbed back in his car and drove off, leaving the Knicks behind, at least for the rest of the day.
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5/31/2006  1:34 AM


The guy just can't help himself, he loves the reporters...

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5/31/2006  4:09 AM
I can't feel sorry for the guy- whats being done to him is pretty much what he's spent his whole career doing to other people, he's going to walk away with 40 million dollars anyway and if he didn't want 23 wins to be his legacy then he should have put more effort into coaching instead of trying to get IT's job.

I think Dolan is trying to get a small bit of revenge by dragging this out (also called cutting off your nose to spite your face). Still if LB ever coaches again he'll be better for this experience as it should have deflated his ego to more managable levels- he might actually focus on coaching instead of trying to become a GM!

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5/31/2006  4:14 AM
Posted by smackeddog:

I can't feel sorry for the guy- whats being done to him is pretty much what he's spent his whole career doing to other people, he's going to walk away with 40 million dollars anyway and if he didn't want 23 wins to be his legacy then he should have put more effort into coaching instead of trying to get IT's job.

I think Dolan is trying to get a small bit of revenge by dragging this out (also called cutting off your nose to spite your face). Still if LB ever coaches again he'll be better for this experience as it should have deflated his ego to more managable levels- he might actually focus on coaching instead of trying to become a GM!



That is an excellent post smackdedog. The humiliation of this experience should be beneficial to all parties involved, not just LB, but I feel he had it coming after what he did with the Olympics, Detroit in his second year, and now the Knicks.

Three strikes and you're out.

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5/31/2006  6:20 AM
Posted by oohah:

That is an excellent post smackdedog. The humiliation of this experience should be beneficial to all parties involved, not just LB, but I feel he had it coming after what he did with the Olympics, Detroit in his second year, and now the Knicks.

Three strikes and you're out.

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5/31/2006  9:14 AM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Nalod:

Cat fight!

This whole popularity contest has been fabricated by MSG and is very upprofessional.

Leaking the buy out while Larry is in surgury? Then testing him to Silence? Very unprofessional!

Isiah not saying a word about who is coaching? very unprofessional!

We have Cops running off the media? Larry with a gag order? The team is a joke!

And then Marbury pleadging his desire to "die a knick" makes for greater drama!

This is all so very uncool it reeks.



True to all the above....Can I inject lame into the equation as well...Is there anything more lame than Brown pulling the Patrick Ewing juice card??



The only thing more lame was Ashbury pleading to "die a knick".

Judging by the response by the "anti" Brown minority today its ok that the knicks are the ones to dish out some kind of punishment for the olympic disfunction (like having marbury be your starting point guard is a good idea?) and for his Detroit departure? Why must the knicks take the dysfunction to a new level?

Detroit down 3-1 after a great season and now it comes out that management and the owner is not happy with Flip?

Detroit, whom was unhappy and impatient with Carlisle let him go only after it was known PHilly was going to let Larry walk with a year left on his deal. Larry comes in pulls his diva act and pulls management apart for not playing Darko. His health problems mount and they pressure him to return and when Cleveland comes calling they allow him to talk to them. What is that message to your coach? If you can't be healthy and you want to leave, we would prefer that? Team came within 2 minutes of winning a 2nd championship.

Now you got a trifecta of idiots (larry is a pain in the ass diva, but if your going to forgive all of Isiahs, Starbury's and Dolans bad traits, why not at least forgive the one guy who has enough cred of success? Dolan, Isiah, and Starbury have done nothing in their current capacity!) all vying for power and nobody talking!

Who is the coach? Who is calling the shots? If Isiah is not talking, has he been castrated?

Maybe this silence is about Isiah getting strung out as well and why should he stick his neck out at this point? Maybe there is great turmoil between Dolan and Isiah? Maybe Isiah does not want to coach, and maybe he does not want Larry to leave? Isiah said Larry will have the players he wants and if you ask me it would appear he has been reeled in! If Dolan is upset with Larry he must be equally if not more at Isiah.

Detroit has nothing to do with all of this, but if you must add it in, consider that they have 3 coaches in 4 years and while they make great personel changes, they are not compete angels in how they have handled things either.

Now lets look at the choices if Larry is led to his riches and unemployment:

If Isiah coaches, who is the GM? It was said Isiah was never to coach this team, but if he does, we give him the duel power?

Hire a GM that won't have his "guy" coaching and would be lame to the owner. We did that, his name was Layden.

We still have Marbury and Francis, and host of chemistry problems. Make trades? Well what else is new?

Team is not that bad on paper, but what will change? Were Larrys public comments about this team really that damageing?

We gonna use the draft picks or trade them?

Jackie Blue and Qdog returning?

And our management can only leak misinformation...............Great team!


[Edited by - nalod on 05-31-2006 09:38 AM]
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5/31/2006  9:34 AM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by realhiphop:
Posted by nixluva:

He just couldn't resist could he? LB is such a freakin drama queen. Yeah we know its a tough situation, but really he's gonna be MORE THAN OK, when he leaves. He just wants people to feel sympathy for him as this mistreated and tortured soul. I'm sure when he gets back to his million dollars spread and jumps in his boat, he's not thinking about the bad treatment the Knicks are giving him.

Thats a joke right? No one deserves to be treated like this. This isn't the first time Dolan treated a coach like this either (and Isiah). The way they handled the firing of Don Chaney and this situation is miserable. Pretty soon, no one will want to have anything to do with the Knicks.



Oh please, the cat is will be walking away with 35 mil for 23 victories...thats 1.5 mil per victory...Thats really bad treatment...


Obviously if LB walks away with that he's not making out badly but why must Dolan keep treating his coaches like this? I mean comeon!



Did I see you complain when LB was ragging his players in the press...Thats far worst treatment..

just for the record did or did not Isiah Thomas publicly call Marbury "the worst defensive guard in the league."

?????

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5/31/2006  9:34 AM
Hey Nalod, I understand what you are saying but as I always said if another coach who did the same crap what LB did with the Knicks last season would be first in the unemployment line. This is New York! Fans want results, not excuses and bellyaching about what and who you don't have. Everyone in life have to try deal with the cards they have been dealt sadly LB didn't even try. This is why I think he should go. Also I hate Marbury as much as anyone here, so this is not a LB vs Marbury thing, it is about just watching enjoyable bball again and maybe the chance of winning a championship. The crap about the roster also have to stop, when Jerry Sloan in Utah had bunch of role players they found away to win because the coach played to their strenghs. We have seen on many occasions that this team can at least compete, so what is the problem?

[Edited by - buddapaw on 05-31-2006 09:35 AM]
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5/31/2006  9:36 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by realhiphop:
Posted by nixluva:

He just couldn't resist could he? LB is such a freakin drama queen. Yeah we know its a tough situation, but really he's gonna be MORE THAN OK, when he leaves. He just wants people to feel sympathy for him as this mistreated and tortured soul. I'm sure when he gets back to his million dollars spread and jumps in his boat, he's not thinking about the bad treatment the Knicks are giving him.

Thats a joke right? No one deserves to be treated like this. This isn't the first time Dolan treated a coach like this either (and Isiah). The way they handled the firing of Don Chaney and this situation is miserable. Pretty soon, no one will want to have anything to do with the Knicks.



Oh please, the cat is will be walking away with 35 mil for 23 victories...thats 1.5 mil per victory...Thats really bad treatment...


Obviously if LB walks away with that he's not making out badly but why must Dolan keep treating his coaches like this? I mean comeon!



Did I see you complain when LB was ragging his players in the press...Thats far worst treatment..

just for the record did or did not Isiah Thomas publicly call Marbury "the worst defensive guard in the league."

?????

and didn't phil just outright call kwame a "p ssy"?
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5/31/2006  9:38 AM
Dolan waits for Isaiah to do what he does best with draft and... not extend his contract.
LB for GM and Couch...
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5/31/2006  9:44 AM
Posted by buddapaw:

Hey Nalod, I understand what you are saying but as I always said if another coach who did the same crap what LB did with the Knicks last season would be first in the unemployment line. This is New York! Fans want results, not excuses and bellyaching about what and who you don't have. Everyone in life have to try deal with the cards they have been dealt sadly LB didn't even try. This is why I think he should go. Also I hate Marbury as much as anyone here, so this is not a LB vs Marbury thing, it is about just watching enjoyable bball again and maybe the chance of winning a championship. The crap about the roster also have to stop, when Jerry Sloan in Utah had bunch of role players they found away to win because the coach played to their strenghs. We have seen on many occasions that this team can at least compete, so what is the problem?

[Edited by - buddapaw on 05-31-2006 09:35 AM]


I added some additional lines to my comemnts above.

I thought for a while the team was making great progress even in some of the losses. But I thought if the GM, Owner and coach go into a year that expects little and your building the future thats one thing. It seems like if anything, dolan started freaking out and interfearing with the team. Seems like once it was not like everyone was on the same page anymore, everyone (larry, marbs and Isiah) starting covering their asses! Then it just fell apart.

Blame is one thing, but firing a coach or GM for what happened does not solve the problem. We seem to want to punish someone so we can move forward! Fire Larry, Ok, but the whole Chaney-Wilkens-Herb-Larry thing is sypmtom of a bigger problem. Im not even sure its Isiah that is the root of this.
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5/31/2006  9:48 AM
It's the freakin ownership I tell ever since Jimmy Dolan came into the picture the Knicks have been on a downward spiral.
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5/31/2006  9:48 AM
Posted by nixluva:

He just couldn't resist could he? LB is such a freakin drama queen. Yeah we know its a tough situation, but really he's gonna be MORE THAN OK, when he leaves. He just wants people to feel sympathy for him as this mistreated and tortured soul. I'm sure when he gets back to his million dollars spread and jumps in his boat, he's not thinking about the bad treatment the Knicks are giving him.

Nuff said.

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5/31/2006  10:07 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by realhiphop:
Posted by nixluva:

He just couldn't resist could he? LB is such a freakin drama queen. Yeah we know its a tough situation, but really he's gonna be MORE THAN OK, when he leaves. He just wants people to feel sympathy for him as this mistreated and tortured soul. I'm sure when he gets back to his million dollars spread and jumps in his boat, he's not thinking about the bad treatment the Knicks are giving him.

Thats a joke right? No one deserves to be treated like this. This isn't the first time Dolan treated a coach like this either (and Isiah). The way they handled the firing of Don Chaney and this situation is miserable. Pretty soon, no one will want to have anything to do with the Knicks.



Oh please, the cat is will be walking away with 35 mil for 23 victories...thats 1.5 mil per victory...Thats really bad treatment...


Obviously if LB walks away with that he's not making out badly but why must Dolan keep treating his coaches like this? I mean comeon!



Did I see you complain when LB was ragging his players in the press...Thats far worst treatment..

just for the record did or did not Isiah Thomas publicly call Marbury "the worst defensive guard in the league."

?????
That's basketball-related. That's different from taking shots at several teammates *character* in the press. (e.g., "I don't like one of our young kids; he must be DELUSIONAL").
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5/31/2006  10:10 AM
this is so bizzar at all ends
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5/31/2006  1:55 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by realhiphop:
Posted by nixluva:

He just couldn't resist could he? LB is such a freakin drama queen. Yeah we know its a tough situation, but really he's gonna be MORE THAN OK, when he leaves. He just wants people to feel sympathy for him as this mistreated and tortured soul. I'm sure when he gets back to his million dollars spread and jumps in his boat, he's not thinking about the bad treatment the Knicks are giving him.

Thats a joke right? No one deserves to be treated like this. This isn't the first time Dolan treated a coach like this either (and Isiah). The way they handled the firing of Don Chaney and this situation is miserable. Pretty soon, no one will want to have anything to do with the Knicks.



Oh please, the cat is will be walking away with 35 mil for 23 victories...thats 1.5 mil per victory...Thats really bad treatment...


Obviously if LB walks away with that he's not making out badly but why must Dolan keep treating his coaches like this? I mean comeon!



Did I see you complain when LB was ragging his players in the press...Thats far worst treatment..

just for the record did or did not Isiah Thomas publicly call Marbury "the worst defensive guard in the league."

?????



Yeah I did see that, It was done un der the guise of constructive criticism...When Larry lays into you in the press, it's done in a derogatory manner....There is a difference...I can't believe you guys are even attempting to compare the two...

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5/31/2006  2:02 PM
Give me Brown over Marbury any day of the week.

Brown is the only chance this team has.
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5/31/2006  2:22 PM
Being called a "girl" is not deragatory?

I dont' care about LB's feelings. But this isn't about LB. This is about an organization changing it's stripes and becoming professional. Setting a standard instead of being a joke. Instead we choose to do the same nonsense over and over again. We are more concerned with firing LB, having him "get his", show him whose boss than we are about actually taking a step forward as an organization. And fans are supporting this. Stop focusing on LB and whether you like or dislike him and think about what is best for us.

We need to either support him and make our players know that he is our coach so that they can get mentally prepared to stop making excuses for poor play. Or fire him and move on and get started with progress. Why wait? what is the benefit? To get back at Larry? Whoopee!!!! Clownlike organizations that act unprofessionally are the ones tht go 30-40 years without titles. It's time to make a change.
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5/31/2006  2:23 PM
Posted by holfresh:




Yeah I did see that, It was done un der the guise of constructive criticism...When Larry lays into you in the press, it's done in a derogatory manner....There is a difference...I can't believe you guys are even attempting to compare the two...


See holfresh, this is just a matter of differing philosphies. You think Isiah calling Marbury (while spreaking to the press) the worst defensive guard in the league is ok while we think Brown saying these things to the press is ok too. There isn't a difference, but there is a difference in opinion.

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