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oohah
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5/30/2006  4:09 AM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by oohah:

^ Yup, and "LUCKILY" we happen to have alot of the same elements that they do, (which I already went over).

So again......what about building like Miami is so unrealistic?


Your parallels are way off.

oohah


how so?



Curry:Shaq NO COMPARISON
Evans:Haslem EVANS I LIKE BETTER
Lewis:Walker I LIKE LEWIS BETTER
Francis:Wade NO COMPARISON
Crawford:Williams SIMILAR

James:Zo NO COMPARISON
Richardson:Posey SIMILAR ABILITY, BUT NO COMPARISON THIS SEASON
Snow:Payton WASH
Jones: D. Anderson JONES IS BETTER

The real problem is that there is "NO COMPARISON" for Shaq and Wade, and they are what makes Miami championship caliber. The rest are nice players, but they aren't what makes a special team. Shaq and Wade are the nucleus, the rest are satellites.

The nucleus is the hardest part to get. The Heat got the Shaq part through sheer luck. I am down with sheer luck.

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bobs3304
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5/30/2006  4:20 AM
^ Are you telling me that Eddy, in his career, doesnt have the potential to be what Shaq is NOW?

And as far as Wade......

Well, Francis may not be im the same league as the Wades and Lebrons, but he's still an All-Star caliber guard with similar abilities.

And if, like you said, we'd have better players around them, then wouldnt that, in time, make it CLOSE atleast?

I think so.....


My whole point was that Eddy Curry isnt going anywhere. James Dolan isnt going anywhere. Either is Isiah Thomas. And 1 of Marbury or Francis will almost def. be here.

So I was trying to think of a way to consolidate these pieces into a winning formula, and copying the Miami Heat is 1 way to do that.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 05-30-2006 04:26 AM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/30/2006  4:34 AM
^ Are you telling me that Eddy, in his career, doesnt have the potential to be what Shaq is NOW?

He may put up similar numbers at some point, but I don't see him having the same impact. But it would be nice.

And as far as Wade......

Well, Francis may not be im the same league as the Wades and Lebrons, but he's still an All-Star caliber guard with similar abilities.

And if, like you said, we'd have better players around them, then wouldnt that, in time, make it CLOSE atleast?

I think so.....

Look at Detroit. They have better players after the top two, but they are getting taken out because of the star effect. They can't handle Shaq or Wade. Close maybe, but you usually need that big star to put you over the top.

My whole point was that Eddy Curry isnt going anywhere. James Dolan isnt going anywhere. Either is Isiah Thomas. And 1 of Marbury or Francis will almost def. be here.

So I was trying to think of a way to consolidate these pieces into a winning formula, and copying the Miami Heat is 1 way to do that.

I think we are better off waiting for a big break rather than waiting for Curry and Francis to become Shaq and Wade. But we can hope...

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5/30/2006  4:39 AM
So you're advocating Isiah's grand ol' "save the expirings, gather the assets" plan?


Eh.......you can say 1 can hope.

I guess I'd say 1 can dream......
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/30/2006  4:42 AM
So you're advocating Isiah's grand ol' "save the expirings, gather the assets" plan?

No, I'm not even talking about a plan, I'm just talking about getting a lucky break.
Eh.......you can say 1 can hope.

I guess I'd say 1 can dream......

Hope, dream...and scheme!

oohah



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5/30/2006  4:45 AM
Posted by oohah:
So you're advocating Isiah's grand ol' "save the expirings, gather the assets" plan?

No, I'm not even talking about a plan, I'm just talking about getting a lucky break.


Exactly my point.

Its not even a plan.

That should be the BACKUP plan.


Trying to "catch a lucky break" should get you fired as a GM.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/30/2006  4:49 AM
Oh, and just for good measure.....


You say the thing that seperates Miami from Detroit is the ability of Wade and Shaq to dominate games.

Well..... guys like Jermaine O'Neal, Shawn Marion, and Zack Randolph (possible stars available this summer) arent any better than Rasheed Wallace.

So how would THEY help us overcome the Detroits and Clevelands?


Bottom line is, they wouldnt.


So I like my plan much better.

And it would cost us much less.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/30/2006  4:54 AM
Exactly my point.

Its not even a plan.

That should be the BACKUP plan.


Trying to "catch a lucky break" should get you fired as a GM.

I never stated a plan. All I am saying is that I think the Knicks are more likely to catch a lucky break than the squad you described is going to win a championship.

Oh, and just for good measure.....


You say the thing that seperates Miami from Detroit is the ability of Wade and Shaq to dominate games.

It's true.

Well..... guys like Jermaine O'Neal, Shawn Marion, and Zack Randolph (possible stars available this summer) arent any better than Rasheed Wallace.

JO and Marion are way better than Wallace. They are better from day to day, and they have stepped up many times in their career. Randolph is a better offensive player for sure.

So I disagree.

So I like my plan much better.

And it would cost us much less.

My plan is that Marbury becomes Shaq, and Curry becomes Wade.

oohah

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5/30/2006  5:03 AM
As individual players, Rasheed Wallace is better than Randolph, and close to on par with Marion and JO.

He plays both sides of the ball, is an inside out threat, and deters his own production for the good of the team.


But if youre holding out on us getting any 1 of those guys, regardless of their impact on a team, I still say "dream on brotha"...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/30/2006  5:06 AM
Posted by oohah:

[quote] My plan is that Marbury becomes Shaq, and Curry becomes Wade.

oohah


Ooo you got jokes.

Even at 5 in the morning.



DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/30/2006  5:07 AM
As individual players, Rasheed Wallace is better than Randolph, and close to on par with Marion and JO.

I disagree, compare them in this year's playoffs and just about any other period in the past 5-6 years and he comes out well behind.

He plays both sides of the ball, is an inside out threat, and deters his own production for the good of the team.

Unless he loses his head like he did this year.

But if youre holding out on us getting any 1 of those guys, regardless of their impact on a team, I still say "dream on brotha"...

Not them, how about a sprewell-like pick, you know he was picked at 24, or a Kirilenko (Second Round). Who knows what can happen then? Maybe we can trade their ass for the nest Shaq-like availability!

oohah

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5/30/2006  5:12 AM
^ Haha.


Pass that Kool-Aid around buddy!
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/30/2006  8:19 AM
I think the better argument has to do with putting your team in a position to succeed. If you want a franchise player, in most cases, you have to be a pretty terrible team WITH DRAFT PICKS in order to get lucky and nab a franchise player, or up and coming with enough cap room to sign free agents.

Right now we're 23 wins @ $125 million. We got the terrible part down, but we screwed that up because we don't have high lottery picks this year or next (unless both us and the Bulls are terrible). We don't have the cap room to sign any good value players, and we have no shot at any studs that become free agents.

When you build a team you usually build around a particular player. Who are we building around? Marbury? Francis? Frye? Curry? Nice pieces, but no francise player there.
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5/30/2006  9:00 AM
Solace - howcum no one mentions that $60M comes off the cap next year?

what's wrong with copying something that WORKS.......?

"If you can't imitate him, don't copy him"

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5/30/2006  9:05 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - howcum no one mentions that $60M comes off the cap next year?

what's wrong with copying something that WORKS.......?

"If you can't imitate him, don't copy him"

- Yogi Berra (to a struggling rookie during batting practice)

We only get money off the cap if Isiah stops trading expiring contracts for overpriced ones. No arguments that we have the opportunity to shed some payroll and get closer to being under the cap. That number still won't put us under the cap, though, so there'd have to be an initiative to work towards finally getting under the cap, it would take some foresight and us actually sticking to a plan.
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5/30/2006  9:48 AM
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5/30/2006  10:44 AM
A second opinion Nalod, besides you mixed the 69-73-75 Knicks rosters at random

Here's how it looks in 1970 from The Way Back Machine

more for temperment and optimistic PO-tential than current talent level... for enetertainment purposes only

Reed - a more mature, Blue-collar-like Jackie Butler (both from rural deep South)
Debusschere- Frye with the sweet jumper, add a ton more rebounding fire
Bradlley - this is the missing glue piece (insert draft pick here)
Barnett - Jamal Crawford, the sneaky and streaky assasin (or insert draft pick)
Clyde - no one does it like Clyde in the suede Pumas. (Marbury on his best day)

Phil Jackson - David Lee, rebounding without the sharp elbows
Dave Stallworth - tough call, Stalls was talented and under-rated - Eddy Curry
6'8 Cazzie - 6'8 Qyntel Woods





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5/30/2006  11:18 AM
oh wait, Detroit tied it up! we should build like them!


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5/30/2006  12:09 PM
Posted by misterearl:

A second opinion Nalod, besides you mixed the 69-73-75 Knicks rosters at random

Here's how it looks in 1970 from The Way Back Machine

more for temperment and optimistic PO-tential than current talent level... for enetertainment purposes only

Reed - a more mature, Blue-collar-like Jackie Butler (both from rural deep South)
Debusschere- Frye with the sweet jumper, add a ton more rebounding fire
Bradlley - this is the missing glue piece (insert draft pick here)
Barnett - Jamal Crawford, the sneaky and streaky assasin (or insert draft pick)
Clyde - no one does it like Clyde in the suede Pumas. (Marbury on his best day)

Phil Jackson - David Lee, rebounding without the sharp elbows
Dave Stallworth - tough call, Stalls was talented and under-rated - Eddy Curry
6'8 Cazzie - 6'8 Qyntel Woods



I was really just kidding about the comparisons.

But you did a really good job.

Starbury=Ray Williams

I guess we can compare it to the all time Starphuch teams also.
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5/30/2006  2:01 PM
Dude the number one insurmountable problem with your plan is that
never mind any number comparison, Francis is not in the same universe
as Wade in terms of what he can mean to a team. Wade can put the
team on his back and is CLUTCH! When he turns it on, is UNstoppable.
He can single handedly win a game in the fourth quarter. He is an MVP candidate (top 8 talent in the league).
Francis is... well... not.

Also, James vs. Alonzo...
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