What's the big deal? Dolan should have had those reporters taken to his basement dungeon, get Medieval on their asses. That's what they get for sticking their noses into Dolan's business!

And don't get me started on Bad, Bad Larry Brown. He is an evil man who is reaping the whirlwind for his Evil Ways.

mine or the Yankees?

I hate him... I really do. I'm a guy that never boos my own team. I dont blame people for doing so, but its not my MO. That being said the big vagina is my one exception. As bad as the Knicks are I dont hate any of them, gm and owner included like I hate the big vagina. He's a gutless jerkoff and I can pretty much guarentee another playoff choke from him.

Incidenttally I took my little girl to see over the hedge last night. Cute flick, and it was out at 9, so luckily I didnt have to watch the big vagina get stroked by Torre.

He doesnt stress me out. There's enough good there to focus on other stuff. Like winning 2/3 from Bos with AAA outfielders, no Jorge, Giambi whiffing, ARod chucking, etc etc. Great job finding a way to win that series with all their problems.

Hey NO ONE said its ALL Brown's fault, but I feel that its MOSTLY his fault cuz he's the one who was charged with running the team everyday and it was HIS decision making that either helped or hurt the team. I don't think we have to think hard to figure out that his moves HURT the team immensely.

I could care less about his feelings and how this looks. Since when was LB ever concerned about anyone's feelings. Certainly not the Pistons and their fans last year. He definitely didn't care about our team or we fans this year. With the crap he pulled how can ANYONE defend him in any way. Its almost impossible to find any part of his work this year that wasn't HORRIBLY handled. Does this mean that he's not a HOF coach, no, but it does mean that he had ONE disasterous season where he wasn't mister perfect and didn't make all the right moves. Is that so hard to believe? He is human isn't he? He messed up... it happens to everyone at some point. On top of his generally bad attitude he made things worse by not even pretending to like his team. How do you expect players to run thru walls if they feel you don't have their back? Nothing they do is ever right and you make it known you want to replace them. I SAY LET'EM TWIST!!!

Like I was telling DJ, don't get stress out about it. It all will work itself out. It is ridculous but now the press wants Dolan to confirm or deny rumours that they printed. Dolan will make his decision whenever. I mean they want him to confirm something that he confirmed 2 months ago when it first came out. What's next daily statements. "yeah, he is still our coach today. check back tomorrow." For petesake, the NY media base working itself into a frenzy once again.

Posted by rvhoss:

daily statement is all that some of these guys will accept because they have been larry brownized. They've become whiney complainers about any and everything they can complain about regarding the knicks...instead of being happy that there was no more news on this stupid "saga", they've jumped on the "i hate dolan" bandwagon.

Give it a rest...if you're a knick fan, you're happy that atleast brown showed up to work out kids that are as good as who may be taken in the lottery.

huh?

I agree with you except that in order to give a coach the level of authority that he needs in a situation like this you must speak up and make it clear that he is in charge. This way it doesn't linger into training camp where players can find an excuse to not play hard again. I think in most situations you are correct, but ours situation is different. Our players revolted. We must put them in their place and make sure they know LB is in charge, or fire LB and move forward with a new plan. Our players biggest complaint was not knowing their roles and being confused. Why add to the confusion? It's time for us to make it known exactly what is expected from everyone in the organization so that we can rid ourselves of these meaningless excuses.

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Bippity10:

I agree with you except that in order to give a coach the level of authority that he needs in a situation like this you must speak up and make it clear that he is in charge. This way it doesn't linger into training camp where players can find an excuse to not play hard again. I think in most situations you are correct, but ours situation is different. Our players revolted. We must put them in their place and make sure they know LB is in charge, or fire LB and move forward with a new plan. Our players biggest complaint was not knowing their roles and being confused. Why add to the confusion? It's time for us to make it known exactly what is expected from everyone in the organization so that we can rid ourselves of these meaningless excuses.

What are you talking about the season is over...The players are home...There is no urgency...

You're right the off season is unimportant. My bad. Oye ve.

Posted by fishmike:

mine or the Yankees?

I hate him... I really do. I'm a guy that never boos my own team. I dont blame people for doing so, but its not my MO. That being said the big vagina is my one exception. As bad as the Knicks are I dont hate any of them, gm and owner included like I hate the big vagina. He's a gutless jerkoff and I can pretty much guarentee another playoff choke from him.

Incidenttally I took my little girl to see over the hedge last night. Cute flick, and it was out at 9, so luckily I didnt have to watch the big vagina get stroked by Torre.

He doesnt stress me out. There's enough good there to focus on other stuff. Like winning 2/3 from Bos with AAA outfielders, no Jorge, Giambi whiffing, ARod chucking, etc etc. Great job finding a way to win that series with all their problems.

Randy's trying his best; he's just O-L-D. I don't get pissed at someone for aging. I get pissed at lazy players who could be much better than they are (like half the Knick roster). Unless Randy turns things around, he should retire, though, no later than the end of this season (by doing a buyout on the final year of his contract).


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 05-25-2006 3:40 PM]

Posted by TMS:

holfresh, you may not think it has an apparent effect, but the longer this whole situation gets dragged out, the more the media will paint this organization in a negative light (justifiably so obviously), & the more this once proud franchise becomes a punchline to a bad joke... i don't know about you, but i for one don't enjoy listening to sports commentators & ex players ridiculing this team & dragging the name of the Knicks through the mud the way they've been doing for the past few years... enough is enough... it's time for the ownership to step up & take a hardline on the necessary changes that need to be made to fix this mess, or at least get the process to get there underway... delaying a decision on Brown benefits no one.

It only serves the feed the insecurities of a few. If Dolan comes out tomorrow and says Brown is my coach. Do you really believe it ends there? The press will spin it their way to sell papers. Berman was nearly arrested yesterday stalking Brown, hiding in bushes. You think a few words from Dolan will stop that. Its a frenzy, has been a frenzy and will continue to be a frenzy.

TMS - the Knicks franchise has had problems for decades in delegating responsibility.

If the person who hires the coach is NOT responsible for his termination, the entire equation is out of whack. If you are suggesting that Dolan pull the trigger on someone, then he must pull the trigger on Isiah.

FACT 1: Dolan is not going anywhere anytime soon.

FACT 2: Dolan not meeting with Brown signals its Isiah's call on the roster

FACT 3: Brown, based on the exit interviews, is fresh out of juice cards

FACT 4: Isiah KNOWS that accepting the responsibility of head coach opens the door for Dolan to hire another President of Basketball Ops. He will think twice about that demotion.

FACT 5: Marbury vs Brown will make Spree vs PJ look like a love-fest if Isiah AND Dolan don't intervene

Posted by misterearl:

TMS - the Knicks franchise has had problems for decades in delegating responsibility.

If the person who hires the coach is NOT responsible for his termination, the entire equation is out of whack. If you are suggesting that Dolan pull the trigger on someone, then he must pull the trigger on Isiah.

FACT 1: Dolan is not going anywhere anytime soon.

FACT 2: Dolan not meeting with Brown signals its Isiah's call on the roster

FACT 3: Brown, based on the exit interviews, is fresh out of juice cards

FACT 4: Isiah KNOWS that accepting the responsibility of head coach opens the door for Dolan to hire another President of Basketball Ops. He will think twice about that demotion.

FACT 5: Marbury vs Brown will make Spree vs PJ look like a love-fest if Isiah AND Dolan don't intervene

I agree with Fact 1.

Fact 2:
I think one issue which that Brown seems to face is a real insecurity about himself. He has worn out his welcome in so many places, so maybe becomes useful trait rather than a fault. Dolan doesn't want to meet Brown one on one. To do so is basically undermining Thomas. I guess Brown now realizes that and has been quoted as saying he wants Thomas present at the meeting. He also denies any reports that he has met with Dolan privately to go over Thomas' head.

Fact 3:
That remains to been seen. If the situation is resolve, Brown will have similar input that he has during the season. Just unlikely that all his demand or desires about rosters can be immediately changed. Patience is a virtue. Brown admitted that Thomas did warn him about the need for patience with expected changes.

Fact 4:
If you read all accounts that have been written about this. This hasn't been reported anywhere except for some advice that Riley gave Isiah in a press cliping, if it goes down like that. From what I read, Thomas will still be the president much like Sather was when he coached the Rangers back a couple of years ago. Probably Brendan Shur would be doing more of the day to day operations. People assume that Thomas moving to the bench would be perm thing.

Fact 5:
Both Dolan and Thomas intervened during the season. Both met with player and coach. As well as other players to let them know that the bickering has to stop. Thomas went further and told all players including Marbury that Brown had the support of both him and Dolan. It was Brown who requested that Dolan and Thomas not interfere or get involve. He went so far as to say he doesn't like that and requested that Thomas not get involve. Hell he didn't even want Thomas or Dolan to have any exit interviews with the players. He made similar request while with the Pistons, Sixers and Pacers. I believe in all locations he was of course denied his request. I think I can find the exact quotes but Brown took somewhat pleasure in the fact that he was getting to pissing contest with Marbury and some of these players. He even joked about it a couple of times.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 05-25-2006 4:39 PM]