Posted by bigbeast:

Who said anything about Isiah? Why Bring up Isiah When were discussing Brown?........It seems to me, the only way you guys defend Brown is to Make Isiah seem Worse.....

Posted by oohah:

Why bring up Isiah? Because this thread is saying that Brown made the trade for two types of players that he has never condoned coaching before. With Isiah being the GM, I think he kinda fits in the conversation, I mean he IS the GM.

What types of players does he not condone? Brown coached Jalen Rose in Indiana, and Iverson in Philly. I'm sure he has coached many others who are similar.

Brown reportedly also did not want to condone David Robinson, Chauncey Billups, etc.

oohah

Don't start this oohah. We know the kinds of players that Brown doesn't like to coach, Francis and Rose fit right in there because their primadonas and play no defense. Iverson is a Brown alltime favorite becuase of his effort and the way he played under Brown.

You guys act like you forgot what types of players Isiah has brought into this organization since he got here via trade. Marbury, Crawford, and Curry, both Francis and Rose fit right in that mold and Isiah was even trying to get Rose long before Brown even was signed by the Knicks.

Don't start this oohah. We know the kinds of players that Brown doesn't like to coach, Francis and Rose fit right in there because their primadonas and play no defense. Iverson is a Brown alltime favorite becuase of his effort and the way he played under Brown.

You guys act like you forgot what types of players Isiah has brought into this organization since he got here via trade. Marbury, Crawford, and Curry, both Francis and Rose fit right in that mold and Isiah was even trying to get Rose long before Brown even was signed by the Knicks.

Posted by Pharzeone:

When I am on the road, I normally save articles to read later. I was going through some looking for article related to something else and found this gem back in Feb. of this year.


Isiah's taking Larry's order
BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Thursday, February 9th, 2006

Isiah Thomas upgraded the roster and added a Hall of Fame coach to the bench, and somehow the Knicks are getting worse by the day.

And since Larry Brown isn't going anywhere and doesn't like the team he inherited, Thomas is committed to changing the players and, according to Brown, Thomas is asking for his input. Brown revealed that Thomas, the Knicks president, told him yesterday to come up with a shopping list of players he wants.


"I spoke to him today," Brown said before the Knicks lost, 96-83, to the Nets at the Meadowlands. "He wanted me to write down what kind of make-up of our team we would like. What kind of guards, forwards, centers.


"I told him I evaluate it every day with my staff (and that) I would be happy to do that. We both want to see us win, and not in the short range either."


The request from Thomas comes the day after former Knick Antonio Davis used words like "circus" and "a mess" when describing the state of the Knicks. Davis, whose last two weeks in a Knicks uniform were certainly circus-like, also said Brown and Thomas need to get on the same page. Davis was traded to Toronto last Friday for Jalen Rose.


"He was giving an opinion, maybe saying Isiah and Larry have different opinions," said Brown, who was Davis' lone supporter in the organization. "I don't know if that's derogatory. I'm telling you that we're on the same page. We're trying to win and we're trying to figure this out. He didn't tell me it was going to be easy when I got the job. And I'm finding that out."


Brown admitted he hasn't done his best coaching job. He has used 29 different starting lineups and has alienated most of the locker room by publicly criticizing individual players. If anyone other than Brown were off to a 14-34 start in New York, he would have probably been fired. Ten years ago, the Knicks fired Don Nelson in his first season with a 34-25 record.


According to a source, Thomas is willing to trade any player Brown deems undesirable, rookies included.


"Isiah wants to make this work and it is not working right now," said a person close to Thomas. "He's not going to fight with Larry. He'll get the players that Larry wants."


Thomas has ongoing conversations with several teams, including the Denver Nuggets, who are looking to trade ex-Net forward Kenyon Martin. The Nuggets want rookie Channing Frye included in the deal. Thomas would trade Frye, but he would insist on getting another player, possibly 6-11 center-forward Nene, in return.


Also, Seattle newspapers have reported that the Knicks have had talks with the Sonics regarding guard Flip Murray and forward Reggie Evans. The Knicks don't have a need for Murray but could use Evans' toughness and rebounding.


With Thomas and Brown in agreement that changes need to be made, the Knicks figure to be the most active team between now and the Feb. 23 trading deadline. Before last night's game, at least three players were soliciting trade rumors from reporters.


"I'm guessing there will be at least two more trades," said one player.


Thomas, who did not attend last night's game, was not available for comment. A person close to Thomas claims that Thomas believed that by hiring Brown, trading for Eddy Curry and drafting Frye, the Knicks would challenge for one of the final two playoff spots.


Instead, the Knicks have faltered badly and Thomas' job security has become a daily topic of conversation. Thomas was also hit with a sexual harassment lawsuit by a former Garden employee. Thomas has said on two occasions that he will fight the charges. As for his team, it appears Thomas doesn't want to fight with Brown over personnel matters. Instead, he seems to want to work with him.

This a great Find......The article is as plain as day....But Instead of Defending Brown and trying to pick apart the actual-factuals....They will probably resort to pointing out Isiah's short-commings......