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joec32033
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5/17/2006  11:54 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by joec32033:

If we stick with this roster, Adelman is the perfect coach...doesn't try to coach defense. Better than average offensive coach who likes to run. Only problem I have with him is his teams never get over the hump.

MY first choice is Stan Van Gundy.

Give Adelman another 10 years, Brown proved it takes a bit. It took him 26 years to reach his first NBA final game.

That's only because he left before the team got there!

Seriously, he took several teams to the conference finals(His first team in the NBA was Denver 2 years after the NBA/ABA merger in 78) , he made the conference finals or Finals with Detroit twice, Indy twice, Denver, Philly and the only team he was with longer than 5 years was Philly (6); Detroit-2; Indy-4; Denver-5. so Larry took Philly to the Con. finals or finals 1/6, Det-2/2, Indy-2/4, Den-1/5(Brown-http://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/brownla01c.html). Remember, for 5 or 6 years (80-81, 84-88, he was coaching in college). If you want to count ABA also, he made the conference finals (it is listed as Division finals in 1973 (with Carolina-THIS is his rookie coaching year!!)), in 1975 (with Denver) and in 1976 he made the ABA Finals (Denver).

Still better than Adelman's 1/8 with Sactown and 3/6 with Portland.(Adelman-http://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/adelmri01c.html)

[Edited by - joec32033 on 05-18-2006 12:01 AM]

[Edited by - joec32033 on 05-18-2006 12:06 AM]
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5/17/2006  11:59 PM
Posted by oohah:
Give Adelman another 10 years, Brown proved it takes a bit. It took him 26 years to reach his first NBA final game.

He could have reached the finals much earlier, but he wanted to do it "the right way".

oohah

If you don't want to do the research at least read my response to Phar.....He made the Conf. Finals or Finals in '77, '78 '94, '95, 2001, 2004, and 2005...and he coached in college from 80-81, and 84-88.
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5/18/2006  8:12 AM
Did somebody really say Paul Westhead?

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5/18/2006  8:47 AM
Adelman made 2 NBA finals (1990 and 1992) with Portland and 2 other Western Conference Semis 1 with POR and 1 with SAC. The only time he's missed the playoffs were his 2 years with GS, where they had Latrell Sprewell and not much else.

[Edited by - Vdesai on 05-18-2006 08:48 AM]
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5/18/2006  9:15 AM
Posted by VDesai:

Adelman made 2 NBA finals (1990 and 1992) with Portland and 2 other Western Conference Semis 1 with POR and 1 with SAC. The only time he's missed the playoffs were his 2 years with GS, where they had Latrell Sprewell and not much else.

[Edited by - Vdesai on 05-18-2006 08:48 AM]


Right. I posted his stats in my post. Portland was a great team at that time. You have to remember the quality of team that these coaches had. Larry took over disasters. Adelman's Sac team was always pretty good but never good enough, while his Portland teams were great.
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5/18/2006  9:23 AM
The problem w/ the Knicks playing like a running team is that if you don't have PGs that can think fast (high basketball IQ, or simply, IQ in general), you can't play fast.

As much as many scoring PGs like to claim they want to run-- their careers show that they often do their best in the slowdown game, where they can take advantage of their killer 1-on-1 skills in isolations or pick and rolls.

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5/18/2006  9:28 AM
Rick Pitino.

NOT as GM/coach.

Just as coach.
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5/18/2006  9:29 AM
Posted by VDesai:

Adelman made 2 NBA finals (1990 and 1992) with Portland and 2 other Western Conference Semis 1 with POR and 1 with SAC. The only time he's missed the playoffs were his 2 years with GS, where they had Latrell Sprewell and not much else.

[Edited by - Vdesai on 05-18-2006 08:48 AM]

Yeah, that's what I don't get what Joe is talking about. That's why I said give him another 10 years, and maybe he will a one NBA championship too. And lets face it, Brown came into the NBA with Denver who were the former ABA champions.
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5/18/2006  9:53 AM
Posted by Marv:

Rick Pitino.

NOT as GM/coach.

Just as coach.


I agree. OR John Calipari.
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5/18/2006  9:57 AM
does the question mean who's the best coach to coach the players on the 05/06 roster or the coach you want to coach the team from today on?
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5/18/2006  9:58 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by VDesai:

Adelman made 2 NBA finals (1990 and 1992) with Portland and 2 other Western Conference Semis 1 with POR and 1 with SAC. The only time he's missed the playoffs were his 2 years with GS, where they had Latrell Sprewell and not much else.

[Edited by - Vdesai on 05-18-2006 08:48 AM]

Yeah, that's what I don't get what Joe is talking about. That's why I said give him another 10 years, and maybe he will a one NBA championship too. And lets face it, Brown came into the NBA with Denver who were the former ABA champions.

ok...Maybe I just didn't understand the post but it sounded to me like you were nailing LB when I talked of Adelman's not getting past the 2nd round of the playoffs in Sactown. I'll post again, in 8 years in SacTown, he made it past round 2 once. Maybe I am being too broad stating their whole careers. I'll just encapsulate from when Adelman took over SacTown in 99. He made it to the Western Conference finals in 2002. Only time passed the second round was in 2002.

Since 99, LB has coached 3 teams (Philly, Detroit, NY) and has taken 2 teams past the 2nd round 3 times...Twice wih Detroit and he took an overachieving 76ers squad-a team without 1/2 the overall talent Adelman had in Sac-to the Finals.
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5/18/2006  12:00 PM
I'm really not worried about who can coach this bunch. In order to win a title we have to slowly and intelligently turn over this roster. The coach we bring in needs to be brought in with long-term plans in mind. Not to see who can coax 40 plus wins out of this bunch.
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5/18/2006  12:03 PM
I thought that was the purpose of LB. I guess I was wrong. WE are hiring coach's to get year to year wins in order to save jobs. Not hiring coach's to build a winner
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5/18/2006  12:03 PM
Last year this time we were having the exact same conversations. It's so sad.
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5/18/2006  12:51 PM
Answer both DJ, jeez. You have a real bug up your ass don't you.

I say Isiah, Westfeld, lambier (though I hate him), Riley, Brown.
Posted by djsunyc:

does the question mean who's the best coach to coach the players on the 05/06 roster or the coach you want to coach the team from today on?

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5/18/2006  12:57 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

Answer both DJ, jeez. You have a real bug up your ass don't you.

I say Isiah, Westfeld, lambier (though I hate him), Riley, Brown.
Posted by djsunyc:

does the question mean who's the best coach to coach the players on the 05/06 roster or the coach you want to coach the team from today on?

in a situation where we need to turn the franchise around, my only two choices are riley and brown. why? b/c the gm is totally clueless and we need a guy that has some authority behind him. d'antoni would not have worked here. nor would avery or any other 1st or 2nd year coach. it would have to be an established guy that would hopefully make up for the incompetence in the organization...but as we're seeing, that may be too big a task for any coach.
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5/18/2006  1:03 PM
no coach can turn this around because our organization is every man for himself. IT's pathetic.
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5/18/2006  1:11 PM
I changed my mind...I think Larry Brown is the best coach for this team.

He just needs to be told NO and then let's see what he can do.

Just like in Philly and Indiana, if the GM tells him these are the players he has to have (he tried to trade miller and iverson) then maybe he will suck it up and go for it or resign...to try and buy him out is a bit premature IMHO.

This is just from reading hte news and everyone's posts...Let Brown prove he's the best with the players he is being provided.

Or stick to his plan of 5 years...If I'm not mistaken, Marbs and co. expire before the 5 years are up...so suck it up brownie!
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