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Nalod
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5/17/2006  12:32 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

There is some truth to the matter. Ward was traded by this organization to get Marbury so I think he has bad feeling. Oakley has had bad feeling for MSG since 99. On his way out Oak took shots at everyone including Ewing for having too much control. Hell Mason been bad mouthing the organization since 96.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 05-17-2006 12:29 PM]

Camby, Latrell, TT, Shandon, JVG, the list goes on and on.........Former knicks are bad mouthing the organization.
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5/17/2006  12:41 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Pharzeone:

There is some truth to the matter. Ward was traded by this organization to get Marbury so I think he has bad feeling. Oakley has had bad feeling for MSG since 99. On his way out Oak took shots at everyone including Ewing for having too much control. Hell Mason been bad mouthing the organization since 96.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 05-17-2006 12:29 PM]

Camby, Latrell, TT, Shandon, JVG, the list goes on and on.........Former knicks are bad mouthing the organization.

Yeah, that's my point. I don't pay that too much attention sometimes. Like Jordan and Pippen trashing the Bulls but they go back there. Same with Barkley and the 76ers. Like Mike said divorces are usually messy and have bad feelings.
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5/17/2006  1:00 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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True Knick fan should not except Ward's comments so lightly. I read his comments and it made me mad. We know what the state of the Knicks is right now, and people of this generation want to be heard. This should not be done at the expense of the knicks. F- Ward and what ever he has to say bad about the knicks. He also said he would not coach here nobody got upset at that??? Jeff van Gundy never said anything bad about the knicks. You people of this generation are not what they call DieHards. It not about getting people fired it about standing behind whoever we have to, And that is who ever is coaching and Running the Knicks. And the thing he said about marbury sounded a little bitter to me.



what is the next generation of knick fans? guys who didnt see winning basketball? Ill be 38 next month--what am i constituted? i saw the knicks in the 70s 80s 90s and for better or for worse 2001+

anyone who is a knick fan who watched charlie ward KNOWS that his words have a LOT of merit--ive heard oakley say the same thing

i tell you what is wrong with the team--management--the Knicks shouldve given Pat Riley ANYTHING he wanted--to me Pat Riley was the main conduit to long term success with some props going out to Checkettes Grunfeld and then to Van Gundy.
Pat Riley instituted a style of play and Grunfeld was able to get guys who fit the mold and that followed over to Van Gundy.

Im not unhappy that Isiah is trying to get the team younger, but he never had a plan--he cant negotiate, the team has no style of play---he over-traded--overpaid--he made hundreds of millions of $ in mistakes--he should be fired BUT if LB is left in command--some of the young guys we have may be traded off for guys like theo ratliff, and while that may get us a 7-8 seed? i dont think its in our best long term interest.


I would say let Isiah do his draft--and if he can get an extra high pick by dumping marbury i hope they do it.

AFTER the draft, knicks management has to be changed-over--give LB another year and let him be re-evaluted by a new GM. We couldve had Bryan Colangelo--we blew that--im looking for an avery johnson clone to be our new brains--i dont think its totally necessary to find a guy with prior experience as GM. Isiah is a used-car salesman--you dont want that running your team

Great post briggs, I agree, and I agree with ward, this guy is a winner, won the Heisman at FSU, led them to a championship, played on their basketball team with Sam casell and bobby sura, I remember those days well. I also remember fans lamenting about our PG situation, wanting a star, well ward is right, we have starbury, and look at us now!!! wooohoo!!!!!
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5/17/2006  1:16 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

ward response to steph was pretty cool:

"Everyone wanted a superstar point guard while I was here," Ward said. "They've got a big name now and they're dealing with the consequences."

That quote holds no weight because Ward played with Ewing, LJ, Camby, Houston etc. Put Marbury on that team and they would still win. The same can't be said if Ward ran the point for this current group.

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5/17/2006  5:06 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by djsunyc:

ward response to steph was pretty cool:

"Everyone wanted a superstar point guard while I was here," Ward said. "They've got a big name now and they're dealing with the consequences."

That quote holds no weight because Ward played with Ewing, LJ, Camby, Houston etc. Put Marbury on that team and they would still win. The same can't be said if Ward ran the point for this current group.

Put marbury on that team and you hear guys saying how everyone was out for their own, they had enough to get it done but they din't buy into the coaches system. Nobody could take criticism so they were pointing fingers behind each others backs. Why score 20 points and lose when you could score 15 and win. The lockerroom was divided because a leader has to set the tone and we had a leader who thought he was too good to play defense and was too busy tapping himself on the shoulder telling himself how good he was.

yadda, yadda, yadda, same stuff we hear everywhere after Marbury leaves.
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5/17/2006  5:23 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by djsunyc:

ward response to steph was pretty cool:

"Everyone wanted a superstar point guard while I was here," Ward said. "They've got a big name now and they're dealing with the consequences."

That quote holds no weight because Ward played with Ewing, LJ, Camby, Houston etc. Put Marbury on that team and they would still win. The same can't be said if Ward ran the point for this current group.
Are you trying to be logical? Why? These guys are emotional.

Ward is taking his shot back for what Steph said a while back and I aint mad at him for that, but I love how the starter of this thread said:
"Jalen Rose's remarks about the knicks this season are irrelevant, because he wont be here after January."

Yet somehow, a guy who left the team years ago, knows whats going on. AND he threw in that:
"he's still part of the league as an assistant coach so he's still up to date about things here."

Yeah, because once your in the league you magically know whats going on in in organization more than a guy who is actually on the team. LOL!! You guys are funny!!!

I love this game!!!!!

FYI, CHarlie Ward is one of my favorite all-time Knicks. I was very sad to see him go.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 05-17-2006 5:24 PM]
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5/17/2006  5:29 PM
But we will never know. We can agree though that would be a different situation then any situation Marbury has been on in his career. Being around those guys for a few yrs would have definatly been good for him.

I remember someone named Sprewell who was known as a bad apple and resurected his career here being around those guys. Then when Ewing & LJ & Camby were gone. And Kurt Thomas had to take a bigger role. And they they were replaced them with Weatherspoon & Othella Harrington. And Sprewell & Houston now had to carry that team. It didn't work out.
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5/17/2006  6:00 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by djsunyc:

ward response to steph was pretty cool:

"Everyone wanted a superstar point guard while I was here," Ward said. "They've got a big name now and they're dealing with the consequences."

That quote holds no weight because Ward played with Ewing, LJ, Camby, Houston etc. Put Marbury on that team and they would still win. The same can't be said if Ward ran the point for this current group.
Are you trying to be logical? Why? These guys are emotional.

Ward is taking his shot back for what Steph said a while back and I aint mad at him for that, but I love how the starter of this thread said:
"Jalen Rose's remarks about the knicks this season are irrelevant, because he wont be here after January."

Yet somehow, a guy who left the team years ago, knows whats going on. AND he threw in that:
"he's still part of the league as an assistant coach so he's still up to date about things here."

Yeah, because once your in the league you magically know whats going on in in organization more than a guy who is actually on the team. LOL!! You guys are funny!!!

I love this game!!!!!

FYI, CHarlie Ward is one of my favorite all-time Knicks. I was very sad to see him go.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 05-17-2006 5:24 PM]

you can say "DJ" instead of starter of the thread.

what does one have to do with the other? there's no connection. plus, ward took a shot at steph...something you know i love. there's nothing to hide there.
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5/17/2006  6:20 PM
If we win 40 games, it would be a 17 game improvement! Not exactly baby steps. This would be major. Larry has put this team so far in the hole, I hope Isiah can dig us out. 40 wins should get Isiah coach of the year.
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5/17/2006  7:31 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by djsunyc:

ward response to steph was pretty cool:

"Everyone wanted a superstar point guard while I was here," Ward said. "They've got a big name now and they're dealing with the consequences."

That quote holds no weight because Ward played with Ewing, LJ, Camby, Houston etc. Put Marbury on that team and they would still win. The same can't be said if Ward ran the point for this current group.
Are you trying to be logical? Why? These guys are emotional.

Ward is taking his shot back for what Steph said a while back and I aint mad at him for that, but I love how the starter of this thread said:
"Jalen Rose's remarks about the knicks this season are irrelevant, because he wont be here after January."

Yet somehow, a guy who left the team years ago, knows whats going on. AND he threw in that:
"he's still part of the league as an assistant coach so he's still up to date about things here."

Yeah, because once your in the league you magically know whats going on in in organization more than a guy who is actually on the team. LOL!! You guys are funny!!!

I love this game!!!!!

FYI, CHarlie Ward is one of my favorite all-time Knicks. I was very sad to see him go.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 05-17-2006 5:24 PM]

you can say "DJ" instead of starter of the thread.

what does one have to do with the other? there's no connection. plus, ward took a shot at steph...something you know i love. there's nothing to hide there.

OOOOOHHHHHHHH!!!!! DJ is punking me!!!! "You can say Dj not starter of the thread!!!" I likes!!!!!!!!!!

What does one have to do with the other?
both are talking about the team.
1 is actually on the team.
1 isn't and hasn't been for years.
you have tried to add credibility to one and not the other, when logic would say that the person on the team knows better whats going on.

BUT, unles he's Steph bashing, you'll hear none of it. You are not consistant, you apply only things that fit your theory, and I like to point it out, although you never conceede the bias. With all of these inconsistancies, no wonder you like Craw so much!!!

But I will say this, Steph deserves the jab from Ward, he never should have dissed Ward & Childs like that in the first place.

I could say the same thing about Larry having his name dragged through the mud. I wonder if he likes it? If it makes him wanna coach harder? A little goose-gander theory for ya, huh?
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5/17/2006  7:41 PM
killa - i made a post about what charlie's views on the team were. he played here so i thought it would be interesting to hear from him.

as for jalen - what is he going to say killa? do you take stock in what he said? the dude has been on spring break for 5 years. he knows he's gone within 8 months. what he says does not matter.

you are reading way too much into this post one quote from one guy and from another. this is a message board for christ's sake. not a court of law.

you know my general positions on the team. marbury bad. isiah bad. lb good.

and i ain't scared. i saw karate kid like 5 times. bring it!!!!

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-17-2006 7:47 PM]
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5/17/2006  11:42 PM


"Jews are stubborn. Tell me, why did they persecute Jesus unless he knew something
they didn't want to accept? They had his blood on their hands."

-- Charlie Ward, quoted in the New York Times Magazine, April 22, 2001


[Edited by - BASKETBALLJONES on 05-17-2006 23:45]
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5/17/2006  11:47 PM
Posted by rojasmas:

If we win 40 games, it would be a 17 game improvement! Not exactly baby steps. This would be major. Larry has put this team so far in the hole, I hope Isiah can dig us out. 40 wins should get Isiah coach of the year.

I have a question for you. If it was 40 games, a first round exit, but the main cog was still just Mo T, Malik, Jerome, Steph and Franchise, would you be satisfied?

Sorry, but winning 40 games and a first round exit sucks. If it were purely the young guys working their arses off, and showing future signs, then I can live with that, but I wouldn't be happy, regardless. Sorry, but I miss being a CONTENDER! I DON'T miss the '00, '01 season when we wont like 43 games and got ousted to the Raptors in the 1st round.

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5/17/2006  11:48 PM
BTW, Charlie Ward has every right to criticize this team. He was part of a CONTENDING TEAM and he played his arse off, and accepted his role gracefully. I miss him.
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5/17/2006  11:48 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by rojasmas:

If we win 40 games, it would be a 17 game improvement! Not exactly baby steps. This would be major. Larry has put this team so far in the hole, I hope Isiah can dig us out. 40 wins should get Isiah coach of the year.

I have a question for you. If it was 40 games, a first round exit, but the main cog was still just Mo T, Malik, Jerome, Steph and Franchise, would you be satisfied?

Sorry, but winning 40 games and a first round exit sucks. If it were purely the young guys working their arses off, and showing future signs, then I can live with that, but I wouldn't be happy, regardless. Sorry, but I miss being a CONTENDER! I DON'T miss the '00, '01 season when we wont like 43 games and got ousted to the Raptors in the 1st round.

Where have you been Allanfan, I been saying this past few days and people are beating me up over it. Why does everyone settle for mediocrity so easily? I know that I don't want to settle for mediocrity, I want a championship calibur team which means byebye Marbury, byebye Francis and everyone else sans Frye.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 05-17-2006 11:50 PM]
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5/17/2006  11:52 PM
Give me any player in the 90s including the role players over the jokes in this organization right now.
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by rojasmas:

If we win 40 games, it would be a 17 game improvement! Not exactly baby steps. This would be major. Larry has put this team so far in the hole, I hope Isiah can dig us out. 40 wins should get Isiah coach of the year.

I have a question for you. If it was 40 games, a first round exit, but the main cog was still just Mo T, Malik, Jerome, Steph and Franchise, would you be satisfied?

Sorry, but winning 40 games and a first round exit sucks. If it were purely the young guys working their arses off, and showing future signs, then I can live with that, but I wouldn't be happy, regardless. Sorry, but I miss being a CONTENDER! I DON'T miss the '00, '01 season when we wont like 43 games and got ousted to the Raptors in the 1st round.

Where have you been Allanfan, I been saying this past few days and people are beating me up over it. Why does everyone settle for mediocrity so easily? I know that I don't want to settle for mediocrity, I want a championship calibur team which means byebye Marbury, byebye Francis and everyone else sans Frye.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 05-17-2006 11:50 PM]



Guys, winning is done in stages...You are not going from a 23 win team to a 70 win team...
You guys frown on a 40 win season saying you want a championship and it doesn't work that way...When you begin winning, you get knocked out the first round then maybe the next year to get to the second round...You don't build a championship team overnight...So the idea that winning 40 games this year is a bad thing is just insane...So I guess 23 games is just where we want to be if we are not winning a championship...Logic like that makes it hard for people to understand this blind support for Brown...It basically just amounts to a poor excuse for not winning games...
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5/18/2006  12:07 AM
Holfresh. How do you still not understand this. This team is made up of players that have been career losers everyplace they've been aside from Malik Rose. These players have been run out of town with other teams with no results to show for it. If you want to say that Larry Brown has been run out of town then fine, but atleast he has something to show for it while he's been with the teams. I don't understand why you think that this team is somehow all the sudden going to shed their losing ways and start playing for Isiah Thomas. Why would these players do that? This is why I want Brown here, if he's here then that means that this collection of glorified losers is gone and that is what this organization needs.
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Posted by nyk4ever:

Holfresh. How do you still not understand this. This team is made up of players that have been career losers everyplace they've been aside from Malik Rose. These players have been run out of town with other teams with no results to show for it. If you want to say that Larry Brown has been run out of town then fine, but atleast he has something to show for it while he's been with the teams. I don't understand why you think that this team is somehow all the sudden going to shed their losing ways and start playing for Isiah Thomas. Why would these players do that? This is why I want Brown here, if he's here then that means that this collection of glorified losers is gone and that is what this organization needs.



Bro, of 30 teams in the NBA, only one wins, all the others are losers...Humor me...lets say we do this...Let build a team with Malik Rose,Brent Barry, Deaven George,Robert Horry and Sam Casell...Does this make them a championship team...All these guys have rings???

Do you think Malik Rose is better than Elton Brand because he has a ring??..Would you prefer Malik at your PF becasue he won before???
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Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Holfresh. How do you still not understand this. This team is made up of players that have been career losers everyplace they've been aside from Malik Rose. These players have been run out of town with other teams with no results to show for it. If you want to say that Larry Brown has been run out of town then fine, but atleast he has something to show for it while he's been with the teams. I don't understand why you think that this team is somehow all the sudden going to shed their losing ways and start playing for Isiah Thomas. Why would these players do that? This is why I want Brown here, if he's here then that means that this collection of glorified losers is gone and that is what this organization needs.



Bro, of 30 teams in the NBA, only one wins, all the others are losers...Humor me...lets say we do this...Let build a team with Malik Rose,Brent Barry, Deaven George,Robert Horry and Sam Casell...Does this make them a championship team...All these guys have rings???

Do you think Malik Rose is better than Elton Brand because he has a ring??..Would you prefer Malik at your PF becasue he won before???


What does that have to do with anything. Where did I say that only players that have won championships are players that I want. See this is whats wrong with you, you someone with a certains position on a subject matter and you immediately base all of your arguments on that position. The only thing I mentioned was that the players were career losers, I never said anything about wanting to bring players that have only won championships. Your putting words in my mouth that aren't there.

I said that players like Marbury and Francis have done nothing in their careers and not only have they done nothing they've been known team cancers. How can having 2 cancers on one roster be a positive thing? Brown won't accept that and I feel he has good reason.

By the way. If you threw a team of Cassel, Horry, Rose, George with Eddy Curry, Channing Frye and David Lee I think you got a pretty decent team right there. Like it or not those guys know how to win and thats a factor just like scoring 20pts and recording 8 assists is.
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