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Marv
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5/16/2006  10:32 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Marv - not debating your opinion. All I'm sugesting is the excitement and pre-draft press dedicated Eddy Curry three years ago was more fervent than ANY of the passion for any of the players coming out this year.

Compare the former buzz over Curry to that of Ty Thomas, Adam Morrision or Barganini ...whoever ... and you tell ME which player(s) generated more conversation.

You don't like Eddie Curry's performance?

Church Lady: "Could it be .... Satan?"

Hmmm...

Earl, the predraft buzz over Eddy was 5 years ago. That's a long time. He's had 5 years in the league now. I'm not comparing his buzz to anyone else's. I'm comparing what I've seen out of his performance over 5 years in the league to what I'd be willing to take a chance on in this year's and next year's drafts. Eddy comes out on the short end of that comparison for me.
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5/16/2006  10:34 AM
i want guys on this team who play like they care! i don't care if that means they're 19 or 35... what good is it to have a young player who plays like he could care less if the team wins or loses?
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5/16/2006  10:36 AM
>from day one, lb has said that he doesn't think you can throw rookies out there from day one. they need to be groomed.

djsunyc - then why, oh why, would he start players based on their hometown?

Why the 45 different lineups?

Something about those FACTS strikes me as way too random for a consistent agenda.

Players need rhythm and consistency. Anyone who has played ball recognizes the subtle value of routine and pace to the final goal of achieving maximum production. I don't care what sport it is... players need rhythm.

Injuries create problems not simply because of a drop in talent, but loss of rhythm. Note, The Suns play through injuries because they have a consistent rhythm. Crazy huh?

Remove that rhythm and you create uncertainty, discord and lack of familiarity.

Consider a basketball season where nearly every night is a new arena in another city. Now, change rotations arbitrarily - starting from training camp to the end of the regular season... seven months of change... and you tell ME what you create.

Kinda messy huh?
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5/16/2006  10:39 AM
Marv - man up, ( I love that overused phrase) who do you covet in this years draft?
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5/16/2006  10:45 AM
Posted by misterearl:

>from day one, lb has said that he doesn't think you can throw rookies out there from day one. they need to be groomed.

djsunyc - then why, oh why, would he start players based on their hometown?

Why the 45 different lineups?

Something about those FACTS strikes me as way too random for a consistent agenda.

Players need rhythm and consistency. Anyone who has played ball recognizes the subtle value of routine and pace to the final goal of achieving maximum production. I don't care what sport it is... players need rhythm.

Injuries create problems not simply because of a drop in talent, but loss of rhythm. Note, The Suns play through injuries because they have a consistent rhythm. Crazy huh?

Remove that rhythm and you create uncertainty, discord and lack of familiarity.

Consider a basketball season where nearly every night is a new arena in another city. Now, change rotations arbitrarily - starting from training camp to the end of the regular season... seven months of change... and you tell ME what you create.

Kinda messy huh?

i think it's b/c he realized this roster is sh t. i think it's b/c he saw what was up from day one. where they weren't going to accomplish anything this season so he gave up on coaching wins and decided to use this season as his way to find out who will be with him and who are mentally tough to take his bullsh t. and i think b/c of that, pressure from above was coming down as to why the wins weren't coming. and then it all went nuts.

it's comes down to this - did the organization really believe wins were important this season? they seemed content on winning in the 35-40 games area. and the thing is that b/c that wasn't achieved, they're going nuts. but to me, in the situation that we're in, 23 wins is the same as 38 wins. they both don't mean jack b/c this season was about the first step in lb's 5 year process. now the methods and the craziness was not anticipated by anybody but i think there were mitigating circumstances as to why all of that happened. i think lb never had control of the roster and he started scrambling and getting desperate and he handled it wrong. but i also think that he never really had the backing of isiah or dolan, at least in the players eyes.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-16-2006 10:46 AM]
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5/16/2006  10:50 AM
>>did the organization really believe wins were important this season?

djsunyc - you know I love you like a red-headed step cousin on my Aunt Mabel's side of the family... but what sports franchise that you can cite in history, other than the infamous White Sox, EVER decided to emply backstabbing, premeditated stress and losing as an agenda?

c'mon.
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5/16/2006  10:53 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Marv - man up, ( I love that overused phrase) who do you covet in this years draft?

Earl, I'll let you know in a few weeks. We don't know everyone who's declaring for the draft yet. Plus, since I don't watch much college hoops during the season, i dig into the reports from camps and watch film clips as it gets closer to the draft to pick my favorites.

But I am manning up that sight unseen I'd prefer our #1 this year and next year to Eddy Curry.

I'd be interested in hearing why you'd prefer keeping him.
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5/16/2006  11:01 AM
Posted by misterearl:

>>did the organization really believe wins were important this season?

djsunyc - you know I love you like a red-headed step cousin on my Aunt Mabel's side of the family... but what sports franchise that you can cite in history, other than the infamous White Sox, EVER decided to emply backstabbing, premeditated stress and losing as an agenda?

c'mon.

wasn't part of the agenda. but those are inherent characteristics of two power hungry guys that reared it's ugly head when they didn't get their way.
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5/16/2006  11:09 AM
djsunyc - in the immortal words of Curtis Mayfield

"if there's a hell below, thay ALL gotta go"

Marv - c'mon, you make an argument for first rounders and can't name just one draft pick you covet?

c'mon...

c'mon....

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5/16/2006  11:15 AM
Posted by misterearl:

djsunyc - in the immortal words of Curtis Mayfield

"if there's a hell below, thay ALL gotta go"

Marv - c'mon, you make an argument for first rounders and can't name just one draft pick you covet?

c'mon...

c'mon....

Earl, I answered your question. I prefer to give you a response with a little something to it, which I'll be happy to do when we know who's eligible for the draft and when I've done my background.

When are you going to give us your report on the performance of Eddy Curry through his 1st 5 years in the league and why you think he's worthy of keeping over a sure top 3 this year and possibly the same next?
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5/16/2006  11:17 AM
You can rationlize all you want, but the fact is we have late 1st round picks as opposed to a lottery pick.

Only a complete idiot of someboy with a hidden agneda will argue that having a lottery pick is irrelevant. I'm still deciding which one you are earl.

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5/16/2006  11:18 AM
Posted by misterearl:

djsunyc - in the immortal words of Curtis Mayfield

"if there's a hell below, thay ALL gotta go"

Marv - c'mon, you make an argument for first rounders and can't name just one draft pick you covet?

c'mon...

c'mon....

I actually like where the Knicks are picking this year due to the whole NBADL. I hope the cards play out right for the Knicks to take Lowry and Roby in the 1st round and I hope they could acquire Hollins who most likely will be a 2nd round pick.
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5/16/2006  11:24 AM
>>Only a complete idiot of someboy with a hidden agneda will argue that having a lottery pick is irrelevant. I'm still deciding which one you are earl.


Simrud - is a personal attack the absolute BEST you can conjur up?

You don't know me
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5/16/2006  11:29 AM
Having said that, Simrud - who is your most coveted first round pick for 2006?
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5/16/2006  11:47 AM
I'll take any of the top prospects. Morrison, Aldridge, Thomas, etc. There is always talent at the top.

I mean cmon man, how can you say havin a lottery pick is not important? Is it really worth it to deny common sense to defend IT? (
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5/16/2006  12:01 PM
I believe Curry is and will be more valuable than BOTH first round picks.

I like the current mix, somebody said it best, Zeke got it right with the mix, just the wrong players in that mix.

But he definitely got it right and it's only been 2.5 years
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5/16/2006  12:06 PM
I'm gonna get creamed for the Curry better than Both picks, but he is already well on his way...heaven forbid he show up to camp in shape this coming year and dedicated to being the best player on the team.
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5/16/2006  12:16 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

I'm gonna get creamed for the Curry better than Both picks, but he is already well on his way...heaven forbid he show up to camp in shape this coming year and dedicated to being the best player on the team.

You are not alone. The Great "Brown" one said he would take Curry over anyone in the draft and went on to criticize Reddick and Morrison's games for 3 minutes. And we all know what he thinks about Curry.
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5/16/2006  1:38 PM
>>I'll take any of the top prospects. Morrison, Aldridge, Thomas, etc.

Simrud - which one of those picks has more brand equity than Eddy Curry four years ago?

>>There is always talent at the top.

College Talent of course. NBA talent is up for further review. See Chris Washburn.

>>I mean cmon man, how can you say havin a lottery pick is not important?

Simrud - you need to work oon your comprehension skills. Can you please cite exactly where I wrote a lottery pick was not important?

Sheesh. If you're going to argue a point. At least have the basic intelligence to argue what was said.

No one mentioned a word about Isiah Thomas.

Are you hearing things in your head or what?

Call a doctor.
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