it's not the fact that they would've won 40 games that i would be happy about... it's the fact that they would've bought into a real winning philosophy of defense & team basketball... if Isiah can get this team to play w/that type of philosophy, i'd have no problem giving him his just due... but to have Marbury putting up 20 & 8 & still having a team that plays no defense & winning 40 games to just make the playoffs is not my idea of a satisfactory resolution to all these years we've had to endure the suffering of losing seasons.

zeke...I want fish to eat crow when we actually do what the pacers did the entire time zeke was there...compete and have fun.

the facr that you don't blame the coach for last year and are looking to blame zeke in advance says it all.

I always believed that zeke could get this team to compete, and being team president gives him the power in the locker room to not only bench those not performing, but also trade them.

the players that are undeeachieving are zeke's boys...when and if he coaches nate, dlee, frye, curry, crawfish, jackieb, starbury, qrich...etc

basically, everyone that we love (marbs has a love hate, but no denying we LOVE the rest). the only reason for failure is that we c&? all say that we hate those players and ALL OF US are wrong.

for every jerome james gripe, I give you channing frye, moT I say jackieB, malik I say dlee...heck, where is reezy at?

you say you hate these players, I say I love these knicks.

I really can't wait to see what happens and when the turncoats jump back on the curry fryed crawfish band wagon.

I could have gotten 23 wins as coach just sitting on the bench and letting them run and gel on their own.

curry will be in shape and be put in a position to succeed. crawfish will be craw, the rooks will be sophs and the knicks will win and play with passion as opposed to looking like basketball is work...it's a game...let them play.

quit the 8 paragraph "I hate zeke/marbs" posts...they are getting tired...everyone that you have swung to the dark side will be right there with you chowing down on crow.

isles has always been down on the knicks, but it's time to quit the bitchin fishy.

it's tired.

Posted by rvhoss:

zeke...I want fish to eat crow when we actually do what the pacers did the entire time zeke was there...compete and have fun.

the facr that you don't blame the coach for last year and are looking to blame zeke in advance says it all.

I always believed that zeke could get this team to compete, and being team president gives him the power in the locker room to not only bench those not performing, but also trade them.

the players that are undeeachieving are zeke's boys...when and if he coaches nate, dlee, frye, curry, crawfish, jackieb, starbury, qrich...etc

basically, everyone that we love (marbs has a love hate, but no denying we LOVE the rest). the only reason for failure is that we c&? all say that we hate those players and ALL OF US are wrong.

for every jerome james gripe, I give you channing frye, moT I say jackieB, malik I say dlee...heck, where is reezy at?

you say you hate these players, I say I love these knicks.

I really can't wait to see what happens and when the turncoats jump back on the curry fryed crawfish band wagon.

I could have gotten 23 wins as coach just sitting on the bench and letting them run and gel on their own.

curry will be in shape and be put in a position to succeed. crawfish will be craw, the rooks will be sophs and the knicks will win and play with passion as opposed to looking like basketball is work...it's a game...let them play.

quit the 8 paragraph "I hate zeke/marbs" posts...they are getting tired...everyone that you have swung to the dark side will be right there with you chowing down on crow.

isles has always been down on the knicks, but it's time to quit the bitchin fishy.

it's tired.

Good post but it's not just Fishy. Stick the rest of these guys in it too. Too many to mention.

The line "I could have gotten 23 wins as coach just sitting on the bench and letting them run and gel on their own".....this says it all. With the talent the Knicks have they could have won 30 games without a coach!!!

All the Knicks need is a coach that will define roles and make the guys work for their PT. Isiah has to be the one to do it.

Posted by fishmike:

you know, on second thought I dont want Isiah associated in any way with this organization. Despite his dodge past I was very excited when we hired him. He was a strong draft guy, and we needed that more than anything. He's had his chance and he's actually done worse that he has in previous stops.

I've "supported" Larry Brown because despite a horrible job this year he's got a very solid history of winning, both in the regular season and playoffs. I could live taking another shot with him at the helm because of that history. Isiah's history is that of utter failure and he's duplicated that here. I have none, absolutely ZERO reason to think or believe Isiah is going to turn this around.

Some said Rick Adleman's team's always performed well. Didnt Larry Browns?

Well, there's the fact that Rick Adelman had two very long runs in Portland and Sacramento and Brown changed jobs every few years.

I'm seriously considering not watching games anymore until Dolan & Isiah are out. If it takes 40yrs then so be it! this is the final straw..

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 05-15-2006 12:11 PM]

yet another reason why no Adleman.

it's time to give up on this Larry's resume stance...he WAS a great coach.

not anymore.

He hasn't coached a non great team in year's and that was BEFORE he FINALLY won his FIRST NBA title.

Now he's retired, and the rest of you need to realize that he's not looking to spend long film sessions figuring out how to make an underachieving team achieve...there is a reason he wanted to be team president of Cleveland, he's done coaching, he wants to play fantasy basketball owner.

Posted by fishmike:

Some said Rick Adleman's team's always performed well. Didnt Larry Browns?

marbs has a love hate

I'd like to clarify this statement, Rv.......I Love Starbury because he can ball, and I hate Stephon Marbury because he apparently can't.

Posted by joec32033:

marbs has a love hate

I'd like to clarify this statement, Rv.......I Love Starbury because he can ball, and I hate Stephon Marbury because he apparently can't.

LOL! Starbury is awesome on XBox. Frye is treated like a rookie in the game, but I put him in positions where he can succeed.

Posted by rvhoss:

Posted by joec32033:

marbs has a love hate

I'd like to clarify this statement, Rv.......I Love Starbury because he can ball, and I hate Stephon Marbury because he apparently can't.

LOL! Starbury is awesome on XBox. Frye is treated like a rookie in the game, but I put him in positions where he can succeed.

^This should put you at the top of the list to coach the Knicks.

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by gunsnewing:

I'm seriously considering not watching games anymore until Dolan & Isiah are out. If it takes 40yrs then so be it! this is the final straw..

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 05-15-2006 12:11 PM]

I don't believe you...

I'm dead serious. There is absolutely nothing to look forward to anymore with this organization. No light at the end of the tunnel. I'm not wasting my time anymore watching overpaid athletes. I'm not even going to go root for another team.
The thought of watching sports to me is becoming a joke. Playing is a different story. There are more important things in life. I'll check standings from time but I can't tske the torture anymore

If the Knicks get rid of Brown and add a starting-caliber PF who defends and rebounds they will be fine.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by fishmike:

great post RV, I see you really get to the heart of the matter and whats most important to you. Hey, Elgin Baylor is winning exec of the year after 20 years of being the joke of the league. Did he learn or did after throwing sh!t against the wall for 20 years did some finally stuck?

Individually Marbury, Crawford, Curry, Francis, whoever could all be good players. A GM that actually knows how to build a team could probably really do a good job with them. If you have ever read anything I wrote you will have noticed that rather than killing the player, I killed the trade that brought them here. There's a difference between filling a need and overpaying to the point where that need filled just became a new liability. But I wouldnt expect someone who thought that signing Jerome James to a 5 year $30mm deal was good thing, to understand such.

Part of what excited me about Larry Brown is this roster does have talent, but no role players. A couple of LB "type" guys like Reggie Evans and Shane Battier and think this thing could turn around right away. Instead Isiah will add more of exactly what we dont need, because he sucks and he's stupid. He will go overpay for Ben Gordon and Kelvin Cato and think because he added more "talent" that we are going in the right direction

Part of me that scared me about Brown was that team had young talent that he would want to use as trade bait. That he would trade Frye, Lee and Crawful for role players like Reggie Evans, Eric Snow, Theo Ratliff and Aaron McKie. Trade Steph, Francis and Rose. I am fine with that but leave the young guys alone. I mean for petesake, the man tried to get Iverson, Billups and Miller traded. The man actively pushed to get Derick Coleman re-signed after atleast ten 76ers went to King and said do not bring him back.
I don't trust Thomas with making trades but the sad fact is that I trust Brown a great deal less.

which is why nobody here advocated for him to be gm as well.

you need two guys to run the show, the gm and the coach and they have to be on the same page. but ultimately the gm has to decide what's best for the long term interests of the franchise. the difference here is that the coach is more qualified than the gm to do both jobs.