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Pharzeone
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5/15/2006  11:17 AM
A point to made about the Knicks change of coaches. Some people believe it is something new. I made a point about this in another thread regarding Ewing's head coaches.

85-86 Hubie Brown
86-87 Hubie Brown, Bob Hill
87-89 Rick Pitino
89-90 Stu Jackson
90-91 Stu Jackson, John macleod
91-95 Pat Riley
95-96 Don Nelson, Jeff Van Gundy
96-00 Jeff Van Gundy

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5/15/2006  11:23 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by crzymdups:

nah, if Brown is ousted this has to be all on Isiah. if he fails, he's out.


agreed... let's stop the coaching merry go round... this has to rest on Isiah's shoulder, for better or for worse, since it's apparent that Dolan trusts the guy for some reason unbeknownst to any logical thinking human being.

I am curious, though why he never insisted another of his GMs that the head coach position. I had fully expect Grunfeld to do so in 95 but surprised they tap a young Van Gundy. I wonder what factors are in here besides forcing Thomas to coach his players, he gets to save money like this, what does it also say about how much faith Dolan has in Herb Williams? If Thomas is fired or steps down before the summer with Brown gone, will Williams assume the duty? Will Steve Mills assume the duty of GM/president. Interesting situation.
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5/15/2006  11:24 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

A point to made about the Knicks change of coaches. Some people believe it is something new. I made a point about this in another thread regarding Ewing's head coaches.

85-86 Hubie Brown
86-87 Hubie Brown, Bob Hill
87-89 Rick Pitino
89-90 Stu Jackson
90-91 Stu Jackson, John macleod
91-95 Pat Riley
95-96 Don Nelson, Jeff Van Gundy
96-00 Jeff Van Gundy

Thanks for pointing this out. Kinda puts things in perspective. Riley and Van Gundy are the only coaches who've lasted in recent years.
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5/15/2006  12:12 PM
Posted by TMS:
Larry can't see the potential in anyone, only what's lacking. He's a horrible coach for a developing team.

please read up on his credentials:

http://www.jewishsports.net/biopages/LawrenceBrown.htm

Man forget that bull**** already.....its getting tired.
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5/15/2006  12:20 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

A point to made about the Knicks change of coaches. Some people believe it is something new. I made a point about this in another thread regarding Ewing's head coaches.

85-86 Hubie Brown
86-87 Hubie Brown, Bob Hill
87-89 Rick Pitino
89-90 Stu Jackson
90-91 Stu Jackson, John macleod
91-95 Pat Riley
95-96 Don Nelson, Jeff Van Gundy
96-00 Jeff Van Gundy

Coaches never last much more than 4 season regardless of how good they are. It's rare that a coach stays with a franchise forever. Sloan is the last we'll see of that. The next in line you would have to look at some of the greats like Aurbach(sp?) Holtzman(sp?)Phil,.....

I have been using Foundation alot.....the Knicks need that first. A coach has to come in and ground the players so Isiah can make the proper changes. "The Brown Season" was a lost season cuz the Knicks are in the same place they were when Herb was the intern. It has to start with Isiah and then if he can get the team back on a winning track Isiah can hire one of his boys to coach....Bill Laimbeer!!! like I was preeching before the Brown courting, lol.
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5/15/2006  12:21 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Pharzeone:

A point to made about the Knicks change of coaches. Some people believe it is something new. I made a point about this in another thread regarding Ewing's head coaches.

85-86 Hubie Brown
86-87 Hubie Brown, Bob Hill
87-89 Rick Pitino
89-90 Stu Jackson
90-91 Stu Jackson, John macleod
91-95 Pat Riley
95-96 Don Nelson, Jeff Van Gundy
96-00 Jeff Van Gundy

Thanks for pointing this out. Kinda puts things in perspective. Riley and Van Gundy are the only coaches who've lasted in recent years.

Yup, and on another note, Hubie was let go because of his record and clashing with Ewing about playing the PF spot versus the Center position. Ewing went to management and Brown was gone. Ewing and Hill were at each other throats, ironic enough in that it was rumor that Hill was the one to pushed Ewing to go to management to have Brown fired. Ewing and Pitino had philosophy differences about offense but Ewing couldn't argue with success. Ewing was ok with Stu but management wasn't. Macleod was a fool. Ewing didn't find tranquility until Riley.
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5/15/2006  12:22 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Pharzeone:

A point to made about the Knicks change of coaches. Some people believe it is something new. I made a point about this in another thread regarding Ewing's head coaches.

85-86 Hubie Brown
86-87 Hubie Brown, Bob Hill
87-89 Rick Pitino
89-90 Stu Jackson
90-91 Stu Jackson, John macleod
91-95 Pat Riley
95-96 Don Nelson, Jeff Van Gundy
96-00 Jeff Van Gundy

Coaches never last much more than 4 season regardless of how good they are. It's rare that a coach stays with a franchise forever. Sloan is the last we'll see of that. The next in line you would have to look at some of the greats like Aurbach(sp?) Holtzman(sp?)Phil,.....

I have been using Foundation alot.....the Knicks need that first. A coach has to come in and ground the players so Isiah can make the proper changes. "The Brown Season" was a lost season cuz the Knicks are in the same place they were when Herb was the intern. It has to start with Isiah and then if he can get the team back on a winning track Isiah can hire one of his boys to coach....Bill Laimbeer!!! like I was preeching before the Brown courting, lol.

eny, you're too funny man. this team got lenny fired...who was the POLAR OPPOSITE of brown here as well. so now it's bill laimbeer that will lay the "foundation". you know what, you're probably right. the dude does have experience coaching women.
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5/15/2006  12:23 PM
were people blaming Ewing for all the coaching changes?
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5/15/2006  12:38 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Pharzeone:

A point to made about the Knicks change of coaches. Some people believe it is something new. I made a point about this in another thread regarding Ewing's head coaches.

85-86 Hubie Brown
86-87 Hubie Brown, Bob Hill
87-89 Rick Pitino
89-90 Stu Jackson
90-91 Stu Jackson, John macleod
91-95 Pat Riley
95-96 Don Nelson, Jeff Van Gundy
96-00 Jeff Van Gundy

Coaches never last much more than 4 season regardless of how good they are. It's rare that a coach stays with a franchise forever. Sloan is the last we'll see of that. The next in line you would have to look at some of the greats like Aurbach(sp?) Holtzman(sp?)Phil,.....

I have been using Foundation alot.....the Knicks need that first. A coach has to come in and ground the players so Isiah can make the proper changes. "The Brown Season" was a lost season cuz the Knicks are in the same place they were when Herb was the intern. It has to start with Isiah and then if he can get the team back on a winning track Isiah can hire one of his boys to coach....Bill Laimbeer!!! like I was preeching before the Brown courting, lol.

eny, you're too funny man. this team got lenny fired...who was the POLAR OPPOSITE of brown here as well. so now it's bill laimbeer that will lay the "foundation". you know what, you're probably right. the dude does have experience coaching women.

good one, but I was talking Bill Laimbeer last season.

Now its "foundation" time. What I mean with that is the Knicks need a coach to define the roles on this team. Period. That is the foundation. After that then the Knicks can begin to resume chopping up the roster untill the right mix is there.......the "foundation" is stability and chemistry and the players would know which was is up or down and just play basketball.
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5/15/2006  2:26 PM
8 coaches in 14 seasons.

Ewing had his coaches executed. How many titles we win pandering to Ewing? He controlled it all and forced the organization every time to make changes to suit him.

Ok, not the worst thing. But it was all on Ewings shoulders.

But putting them on Starburys slumped shoulders?

WIth Isiah, this would be 5 coaches in 2.5 years. Bit of velocity difference than 8 in 14.

Nellie, Macloed and Hill did not last full seasons.
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5/15/2006  2:32 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by TMS:
Larry can't see the potential in anyone, only what's lacking. He's a horrible coach for a developing team.

please read up on his credentials:

http://www.jewishsports.net/biopages/LawrenceBrown.htm

Man forget that bull**** already.....its getting tired.


forget what BS? forget the facts you mean?
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