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5/9/2006  3:35 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

lakers last year 32-32, odom got hurt and missed the rest of the season, finished 34-48
lakers this year 33-31, everyone remained healthy, finished 45-37



DJ, the Knicks had plenty of injuries this year and last year. So did the Lakers

On the Lakers, George missed 11 games, Chris Mihm missed 23 games, Kwame Brown missed 12 games.

But injuries were not the difference between this year's and last year's Knicks, this year's or last year's Lakers, or this year's or last year's Knicks vs. Lakers. The difference was coaching.

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5/9/2006  3:46 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by djsunyc:

lakers last year 32-32, odom got hurt and missed the rest of the season, finished 34-48
lakers this year 33-31, everyone remained healthy, finished 45-37



DJ, the Knicks had plenty of injuries this year and last year. So did the Lakers

On the Lakers, George missed 11 games, Chris Mihm missed 23 games, Kwame Brown missed 12 games.

But injuries were not the difference between this year's and last year's Knicks, this year's or last year's Lakers, or this year's or last year's Knicks vs. Lakers. The difference was coaching.

oohah

the stats i gave you were to talk about phil's impact on the lakers win/loss record.
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5/9/2006  4:02 PM
the stats i gave you were to talk about phil's impact on the lakers win/loss record.

Then I must be misunderstanding something, because I thought you were saying that this year's Laker team was simply better than last year's because of less injury problems etc.

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Last year's lakers were at least as talented as this year's: Butler, Atkins, Jumaine Jones, Medvedenko, Rush...

Phil deserves his props for 2005-2006. He understands that it is still a good thing to win even if your team isn't perfect. Not so our coach.

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5/9/2006  4:09 PM
yeah, all i'm saying is that i don't think phil's impact should be measured by the +11.

i think phil is a great coach for specific teams. but it looks like last year's team and this year's lakers team seemed to be headed to similar records until odom went out for the season last year.

but phil still should deserve props.

which leads me to why the -10 in the wins column shouldn't be a clear indication of what lb is doing here, especially over the long haul. too much is made of the lineups and rotations in the grand scheme of things.

you can argue that a mutiny may not have happened if phil coached but marbury has caused problems wherever he's gone and is a reason why phil didn't take the job. lb just went head to head with him and the result is 23 wins. but in terms of the other players that we're really laying a foundation with, the younger guys, they all got better as individual players as the season went along sans curry.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-09-2006 4:09 PM]
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5/9/2006  4:23 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

yeah, all i'm saying is that i don't think phil's impact should be measured by the +11.

i think phil is a great coach for specific teams. but it looks like last year's team and this year's lakers team seemed to be headed to similar records until odom went out for the season last year.

but phil still should deserve props.

which leads me to why the -10 in the wins column shouldn't be a clear indication of what lb is doing here, especially over the long haul. too much is made of the lineups and rotations in the grand scheme of things.

you can argue that a mutiny may not have happened if phil coached but marbury has caused problems wherever he's gone and is a reason why phil didn't take the job. lb just went head to head with him and the result is 23 wins. but in terms of the other players that we're really laying a foundation with, the younger guys, they all got better as individual players as the season went along sans curry.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-09-2006 4:09 PM]

Translation:
Phil didn't want to come here because of Marbury. [DJ, Prove it]
Phil didn't cause the Lakers to win 11 more.
LB didn't cause the Kniks to win 10 less.
All the vets did worse, but all the youngsters got better [DJ, Prove it]
This years record is Marbury's fault, not Larry's.





[Edited by - killa4luv on 05-09-2006 4:24 PM]
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which leads me to why the -10 in the wins column shouldn't be a clear indication of what lb is doing here, especially over the long haul. too much is made of the lineups and rotations in the grand scheme of things.

I don't think that too much is made out of lineups and rotations as well as plan of attack. This is where a coach has the most direct influence on the outcome of a game.

- 10 is a real big deal when you get more talented in every aspect including the coach. I am not looking at a LB for a long haul becuase I don't believe he will be here for the long haul.

And if I am right, and he isn't here for the long haul, what is this but a wasted season?

you can argue that a mutiny may not have happened if phil coached but marbury has caused problems wherever he's gone and is a reason why phil didn't take the job. lb just went head to head with him and the result is 23 wins. but in terms of the other players that we're really laying a foundation with, the younger guys, they all got better as individual players as the season went along sans curry.

I don't think there was a mutiny, just every player was unhappy. I don't think that Marbury Vs. Larry is what blew the season. The Knicks were 7-21 by the time Marbury Vs. Brown became a big deal = the season was already cooked.

I don't see that the young players got any better than they naturally would have with normal experience. They showed they were pretty good, but they did not get to show it as much as one would expect on a 23 win team. Even though they did get better, it wasn't reflected in consistent playing time.

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5/9/2006  4:32 PM
gotta put Phil ahead of Larry...which is what most people felt last year. We didn't go after Larry until after Phil turned down the job. Phil did a great job coaching the Lakers this year
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5/9/2006  4:35 PM
this is where i disagree. marbury vs. brown was going on from day 1. not as blown out like in february but there were things said by both parties from october on that showed us they weren't on the same page.

the rookies last year got more minutes than any rookie knick since mark jackson. they didn't get 2 minutes and then sat. they got stretches during a game. to see how nate settled down and how channing was putting the ball on the floor and posting up more is not just b/c of natural growth and of normal experience. these are things the coaching staff teach them each day in practice. towards the end, all they staff did was coach the young kids while the vets rested. nate stopped doing those crazy drives and missing layup after layup. that doesn't happen until someone tells him to stop. it's unfortunate frye got hurt when he did b/c he was started to expand his game as well...including games where he was going aggressively after boards.

if lb isn't here for at least two more years, then he never should've been hired in the first place. then yes, this year was nothing but a wasted season...but it all comes back to isiah. lb had a health problem. he was 65. and he's a yenta. he's still a great coach but if you're going to give him 5 years for a rebuilding project at $10 mil per, then you better be sure he's the right guy for the job. to me, i think he is the right coach, but if he leaves, and the franchise is in disarray, then it's on the guy that brought him here b/c there were signs that that would indeed be a possibility.

everyone said bringing lb in here was a "no brainer". well isiah should've thought harder b/c he's making him look like a fool.
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5/9/2006  4:39 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by djsunyc:

yeah, all i'm saying is that i don't think phil's impact should be measured by the +11.

i think phil is a great coach for specific teams. but it looks like last year's team and this year's lakers team seemed to be headed to similar records until odom went out for the season last year.

but phil still should deserve props.

which leads me to why the -10 in the wins column shouldn't be a clear indication of what lb is doing here, especially over the long haul. too much is made of the lineups and rotations in the grand scheme of things.

you can argue that a mutiny may not have happened if phil coached but marbury has caused problems wherever he's gone and is a reason why phil didn't take the job. lb just went head to head with him and the result is 23 wins. but in terms of the other players that we're really laying a foundation with, the younger guys, they all got better as individual players as the season went along sans curry.

Translation:
Phil didn't want to come here because of Marbury. [DJ, Prove it]
Phil didn't cause the Lakers to win 11 more.
LB didn't cause the Kniks to win 10 less.
All the vets did worse, but all the youngsters got better [DJ, Prove it]
This years record is Marbury's fault, not Larry's.

all of it will be proven over time...you'll see how much better the team will be next year when steph is gone and lb is still coaching.
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5/9/2006  4:46 PM
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Expect Steph to assist Isiah
BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Wednesday, February 9th, 2005

Stephon Marbury goes through coaches the way Paris Hilton goes through boyfriends, messy break-ups and all.

Herb Williams is the 10th head coach Marbury has played for in eight-plus NBA seasons and his third in 14months with the Knicks. Marbury's list includes two Dons, Casey and Chaney; two Scotts, Byron and Skiles and one Hall of Famer, Lenny Wilkens.

And there could be a new face on the bench next year. Williams was on the job just one day before Knicks president Isiah Thomas began discussing candidates to become Williams' successor and Marbury's 11th coach.

"I feel that whatever decision Isiah and the organization makes is the right decision," Marbury said. "Whoever they pick is cool with me."

Of course, the selection process is slightly more complicated than Marbury would have you believe. Of all the Knicks, Marbury is expected to have some input on the coach Thomas selects, whether it's Williams, Phil Jackson, Larry Brown or someone else.

Thomas doesn't hide his bond with Marbury, a relationship, which has drawn criticism and some resentment inside the locker room. But being the best player has its privileges (the Knicks hired Marbury's personal masseuse from Phoenix). Patrick Ewing had his share of perks, even deciding what hotels the team would stay in. Ewing's stature grew inside the organization as the Knicks were emerging as perennial contenders. His public and private endorsements for Jeff Van Gundy enhanced Van Gundy's ability to first get and then keep the job.

Who can forget Ewing's line from 1999: "Jeff's our coach. Go tell Phil Jackson to take his butt back to Chicago."

Marbury doesn't quite have Ewing's playoff resume, but the veteran point guard does have easy access to Thomas' ear. It's naive to think that Marbury will not exercise that right or that Thomas will not solicit his advice.

"Isiah doesn't have to come to me and ask me," Marbury said about the selection process. "He knows what this team needs better than anyone."

If Williams is not retained, the two most likely candidates to replace him are Jackson and Brown. In some ways, Marbury has a history with both coaches. When Jackson was considering a move to the Nets, he reportedly told their front office that trading Marbury would be a wise decision.

Perhaps Jackson envisioned Marbury being unwilling to play within the confines of Jackson's triangle offense, a system made famous by Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen with the Bulls and Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant with the Lakers. Notice how none of those four is a point guard?

Many NBA scouts can't see Marbury being content to just throw the ball into the high post and then run into the corner. Former Lakers point guard Gary Payton was critical of Jackson's offense last season. Payton, much like Marbury, wants the ball in his hands and prefers to run more pick-and-rolls.

"I can fit into any system," Marbury said.

Marbury was Brown's point guard during the Athens Olympics and complained about the way he was being used in Brown's offense. Brown reportedly was unhappy with Marbury's play and demeanor, which certainly didn't put Marbury in the minority. Brown had little use for LeBron James, Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion and Dwyane Wade. All four are All-Stars this year.

Hiring either Jackson or Brown would be a complicated matter. Even though Brown is saying that coaching the Detroit Pistons is his last job, he and Jackson have already been linked to the Lakers and Knicks.

A bidding war could start soon. If you haven't noticed, money is no object for the Knicks. If they'll give Shandon Anderson $20 million not to play and Vin Baker $7million to sit on the bench, handing over $10 million a season for a coach is chump change for Garden chairman James Dolan.

But Williams, Jackson and Brown may not be the only candidates. Marbury's first NBA coach, Flip Saunders, could enter the picture. Saunders might take the fall for Minnesota's awful season and eventually land in New York.

Marbury loved playing for Saunders and the two have remained close over the years. Just the mention of Saunders elicits a smile from Marbury, which is no easy task. If he's smiling around the media, what could Marbury possibly be whispering into Thomas' ear?

"Like I said, whoever they picked to be the coach, Herb, or any other coach is fine with me," Marbury said. "As long as we have a system that we can live and die by that is good enough for me."

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-09-2006 4:51 PM]
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5/9/2006  4:57 PM
this is where i disagree. marbury vs. brown was going on from day 1. not as blown out like in february but there were things said by both parties from october on that showed us they weren't on the same page.

I think it was obvious that they did not like each other. Maybe you are right, but it sure looked to me like Marbury was trying. In any case, since LB chose to coach him, not vice versa, at least half of their problems are LB's fault.
the rookies last year got more minutes than any rookie knick since mark jackson. they didn't get 2 minutes and then sat. they got stretches during a game. to see how nate settled down and how channing was putting the ball on the floor and posting up more is not just b/c of natural growth and of normal experience. these are things the coaching staff teach them each day in practice. towards the end, all they staff did was coach the young kids while the vets rested. nate stopped doing those crazy drives and missing layup after layup. that doesn't happen until someone tells him to stop. it's unfortunate frye got hurt when he did b/c he was started to expand his game as well...including games where he was going aggressively after boards.

Are those average minutes? That does not take into account DNP's Lee, whom we have discussed to death, and Robinson, who started during the start of the season, then was benched for about 15 game. In any case, since Mark Jackson, the Knicks have barely drafted any players worth mentioning.

It looks to me like you are searching for good things about LB's performance. I believe most coaches would instruct their rookies to stop making stupid plays, it is on the rookies to actually learn from it. I think this could have been done while trying to win games.

Did they really improve more because of LB than with, say Lawrence Frank? Why wasn't this reflected in the win column down the stretch of the season?

if lb isn't here for at least two more years, then he never should've been hired in the first place. then yes, this year was nothing but a wasted season...but it all comes back to isiah. lb had a health problem. he was 65. and he's a yenta. he's still a great coach but if you're going to give him 5 years for a rebuilding project at $10 mil per, then you better be sure he's the right guy for the job. to me, i think he is the right coach, but if he leaves, and the franchise is in disarray, then it's on the guy that brought him here b/c there were signs that that would indeed be a possibility.

Yes, if LB sucks it is Isiah's cross to bear. Agreed. But that doesn't mean the coach himself should be immune to criticism. Just the same way we criticize Marbury, who is also IT's cross to bear.
everyone said bringing lb in here was a "no brainer". well isiah should've thought harder b/c he's making him look like a fool.

I don't think I said that, but maybe I got caught up in the sangria-aid!

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5/9/2006  5:01 PM
If Williams is not retained, the two most likely candidates to replace him are Jackson and Brown. In some ways, Marbury has a history with both coaches. When Jackson was considering a move to the Nets, he reportedly told their front office that trading Marbury would be a wise decision.

Perhaps Jackson envisioned Marbury being unwilling to play within the confines of Jackson's triangle offense, a system made famous by Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen with the Bulls and Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant with the Lakers. Notice how none of those four is a point guard?

Many NBA scouts can't see Marbury being content to just throw the ball into the high post and then run into the corner. Former Lakers point guard Gary Payton was critical of Jackson's offense last season. Payton, much like Marbury, wants the ball in his hands and prefers to run more pick-and-rolls.

And? This is 98% speculation.



Marbury was Brown's point guard during the Athens Olympics and complained about the way he was being used in Brown's offense. Brown reportedly was unhappy with Marbury's play and demeanor, which certainly didn't put Marbury in the minority. Brown had little use for LeBron James, Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion and Dwyane Wade. All four are All-Stars this year.

Now that is creative bolding. Notice the end part that was not bolded...

I wonder...If Carmello Anthony had been picked by Detroit and Darko went to Denver, would we be hailing Darko as a candidate to be one of the better players for a long time, and would we be branding Anthony as the bust?

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5/9/2006  5:34 PM
Phil has always said he wasn;t a big fan of Marbury. And yes it probably does have a lot to do with Jerry Buss's daughter, since they reconciled. She is based in LA.
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I was reading a lot of threads without posting and the main point most of the guys want to prove is that Knicks this year was assembled with a bunch of talented players which was mishandled by LB and districted by political mess, press, criticism, rotations, etc.
Come on... Who are the talented players...
Mo, JJ, Roze's, Q, Frans, Marbs... - a bunch of vets with health and attitude problems...they all already done.
Lee, Robinson, Frye, Curry, Batler, QDog.. - young players without experience for the game...They are not ready yet if ever be...
I guess the one player who was really ready to play on good level was Craw but what you can do with one player.
LB is a coach not magician... And even magician will be helpless...
If this bunch will win more games that 23 – shame to NBA…
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5/9/2006  5:36 PM
Good point about Darko and Carmelo Ooh hah. LB falls in love and out of love with rookies real fast. As far back as Tim Thomas and Larry Hughes too. Look at Channing Frye's second half after his first year this year. Carmelo might have had his butt on the bench by midseason if LB had him.
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5/9/2006  5:39 PM
Posted by oohah:



I wonder...If Carmello Anthony had been picked by Detroit and Darko went to Denver, would we be hailing Darko as a candidate to be one of the better players for a long time, and would we be branding Anthony as the bust?

oohah

good question
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Posted by rojasmas:

Phil has always said he wasn;t a big fan of Marbury. And yes it probably does have a lot to do with Jerry Buss's daughter, since they reconciled. She is based in LA.

Who likes Marbury? Bobby Cremins? At least Buss makes the coach happy and content...and even richer!

I was reading a lot of threads without posting and the main point most of the guys want to prove is that Knicks this year was assembled with a bunch of talented players which was mishandled by LB and districted by political mess, press, criticism, rotations, etc.
Come on... Who are the talented players...
Mo, JJ, Roze's, Q, Frans, Marbs... - a bunch of vets with health and attitude problems...they all already done.
Lee, Robinson, Frye, Curry, Batler, QDog.. - young players without experience for the game...They are not ready yet if ever be...
I guess the one player who was really ready to play on good level was Craw but what you can do with one player.
LB is a coach not magician... And even magician will be helpless...
If this bunch will win more games that 23 – shame to NBA…

Compare their talent to the 2004-2005 Knicks. Craw was/is better than Marbury? Frye wasn't good?

So your opinion is that this was a 23 win team and LB did as well as could be expected from any coach with this team? If you are right, then god help us...

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[Edited by - oohah on 05-09-2006 5:41 PM]
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Posted by oohah:
If Williams is not retained, the two most likely candidates to replace him are Jackson and Brown. In some ways, Marbury has a history with both coaches. When Jackson was considering a move to the Nets, he reportedly told their front office that trading Marbury would be a wise decision.

Perhaps Jackson envisioned Marbury being unwilling to play within the confines of Jackson's triangle offense, a system made famous by Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen with the Bulls and Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant with the Lakers. Notice how none of those four is a point guard?

Many NBA scouts can't see Marbury being content to just throw the ball into the high post and then run into the corner. Former Lakers point guard Gary Payton was critical of Jackson's offense last season. Payton, much like Marbury, wants the ball in his hands and prefers to run more pick-and-rolls.

And? This is 98% speculation.



Marbury was Brown's point guard during the Athens Olympics and complained about the way he was being used in Brown's offense. Brown reportedly was unhappy with Marbury's play and demeanor, which certainly didn't put Marbury in the minority. Brown had little use for LeBron James, Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion and Dwyane Wade. All four are All-Stars this year.

Now that is creative bolding. Notice the end part that was not bolded...

I wonder...If Carmello Anthony had been picked by Detroit and Darko went to Denver, would we be hailing Darko as a candidate to be one of the better players for a long time, and would we be branding Anthony as the bust?

oohah

yes, too bad those guys were benched for oh...brand, duncan, iverson, marbury, and marion. the nerve of lb.

after larry left, darko STILL didn't play and then was subsequently traded. if darko was legit, and dumars was SOLD on him, he would've had flip give him minutes regardless of the situation. they won their title. came within 2 minutes of another one. looks like darko was a luxury so why not play him after that anti-rookie lb left?

i'm still looking for the phil/nets/marbury article but isola said reportedly, so there's something out there. everything after that statement is speculation. but i think it's pretty obvious considering the history of phil's point guards and the way he used gary payton.

lb has his faults...but it's come to the point in ny that it's not the coach anymore...it's the players and how the roster is constructed.

3 new rookies, 2 scrap heap guys, and less frontcourt veterans...with all of them being part of the rotation is not a recipe for success. none of us could believe we could win less than 33 games but the talent isn't ready to win, especially with the youth. a frye/curry frontcourt will not win games. and with no real sf on the team, and reliable shooter, what were the options of this team to win games? lb was not going to turn this team to uptempo b/c we'd end up like golden state. he had to start with the fundamentals but the resistance he encountered really hurt us.
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:
If Williams is not retained, the two most likely candidates to replace him are Jackson and Brown. In some ways, Marbury has a history with both coaches. When Jackson was considering a move to the Nets, he reportedly told their front office that trading Marbury would be a wise decision.

Perhaps Jackson envisioned Marbury being unwilling to play within the confines of Jackson's triangle offense, a system made famous by Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen with the Bulls and Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant with the Lakers. Notice how none of those four is a point guard?

Many NBA scouts can't see Marbury being content to just throw the ball into the high post and then run into the corner. Former Lakers point guard Gary Payton was critical of Jackson's offense last season. Payton, much like Marbury, wants the ball in his hands and prefers to run more pick-and-rolls.

And? This is 98% speculation.



Marbury was Brown's point guard during the Athens Olympics and complained about the way he was being used in Brown's offense. Brown reportedly was unhappy with Marbury's play and demeanor, which certainly didn't put Marbury in the minority. Brown had little use for LeBron James, Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion and Dwyane Wade. All four are All-Stars this year.

Now that is creative bolding. Notice the end part that was not bolded...

I wonder...If Carmello Anthony had been picked by Detroit and Darko went to Denver, would we be hailing Darko as a candidate to be one of the better players for a long time, and would we be branding Anthony as the bust?

oohah

yes, too bad those guys were benched for oh...brand, duncan, iverson, marbury, and marion. the nerve of lb.

after larry left, darko STILL didn't play and then was subsequently traded. if darko was legit, and dumars was SOLD on him, he would've had flip give him minutes regardless of the situation. they won their title. came within 2 minutes of another one. looks like darko was a luxury so why not play him after that anti-rookie lb left?

i'm still looking for the phil/nets/marbury article but isola said reportedly, so there's something out there. everything after that statement is speculation. but i think it's pretty obvious considering the history of phil's point guards and the way he used gary payton.

lb has his faults...but it's come to the point in ny that it's not the coach anymore...it's the players and how the roster is constructed.

3 new rookies, 2 scrap heap guys, and less frontcourt veterans...with all of them being part of the rotation is not a recipe for success. none of us could believe we could win less than 33 games but the talent isn't ready to win, especially with the youth. a frye/curry frontcourt will not win games. and with no real sf on the team, and reliable shooter, what were the options of this team to win games? lb was not going to turn this team to uptempo b/c we'd end up like golden state. he had to start with the fundamentals but the resistance he encountered really hurt us.

yes, too bad those guys were benched for oh...brand, duncan, iverson, marbury, and marion. the nerve of lb.

Actually, Marion was one of the guys they mentioned as being benched. Any way, that's only 5 guys, and as I recall, Marbury's minutes were inconsistent, even though he had a great game along the way.

The Olympic team showed us some things...That the non-American teams that field real NBA talent will win a lot of games because they are actual teams, it showed that the Jumpshot is still the most potent offensive weapon in basketball, it showed that our players take things for granted.

It also showed LB's inefectiveness putting together a game plan that fits his team of late.
after larry left, darko STILL didn't play and then was subsequently traded. if darko was legit, and dumars was SOLD on him, he would've had flip give him minutes regardless of the situation. they won their title. came within 2 minutes of another one. looks like darko was a luxury so why not play him after that anti-rookie lb left?

Darko was a done deal once Rasheed showed up. He is good, but he still is not polished enough to beat out the guy on a seasoned Detroit team. It just seems that the thing they criticized the most about him (Defense) is what stands out the most about him.

Anyway, what do you think? Would Carmello Anthony have been branded as ot as good as his press-clippings or not?

i'm still looking for the phil/nets/marbury article but isola said reportedly, so there's something out there. everything after that statement is speculation. but i think it's pretty obvious considering the history of phil's point guards and the way he used gary payton.

I don't think anybody like Marbury. But I know this about Phil Jackson: He picks his spots. If he doesn't feel he will have success he won't go. That is not the same as "I don't like Marbury". I mean, who likes Kobe?

lb has his faults...but it's come to the point in ny that it's not the coach anymore...it's the players and how the roster is constructed.

It's not about anymore to me. It's more like: "No, not from the coach too!"

I don't get on coaches too much usually but this year was something I've never seen from any coach. It's tanking with no draft pick. Despicable!

3 new rookies, 2 scrap heap guys, and less frontcourt veterans...with all of them being part of the rotation is not a recipe for success. none of us could believe we could win less than 33 games but the talent isn't ready to win, especially with the youth. a frye/curry frontcourt will not win games. and with no real sf on the team, and reliable shooter, what were the options of this team to win games? lb was not going to turn this team to uptempo b/c we'd end up like golden state. he had to start with the fundamentals but the resistance he encountered really hurt us.

I have to run, but let's just say I disagree. If he had even gotten 30 wins we would have a much brighter outlook--all of us. I think this team should have been that good, at least.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 05-09-2006 7:21 PM]
Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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5/9/2006  7:29 PM
i think melo is great...but i think he has jan brady syndrome. i think with lebron as marcia and wade as cindy, melo is like the forgotten child. and it will be interesting to see how he develops, both in personality and in on court play.

but if detroit drafted melo, then i would think tayshaun would've been traded. would he have played? i don't know.
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