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5/9/2006  12:23 AM
Posted by McK1:

Crawford is a good 4th quarter player. Getting him the ball knowing he can put it in the hole when situations get tight is a nice luxury. Being able to use him to orchestrate a few plays is an even bigger one. However when we talk about full time point guard

Being able to set tempo and get everyone involved, read defenses, motivates involves so much more that I don't recal Craw showing glimpses of to warrant giving him the starting 1 spot.

It's all relative. You were talking about Steve Francis as the starting PG and he's really no better. Probably worse in many regards.

It's also about pairings.

Francis at PG with craw at SG allows for the worst of their bad tendencies. At point francis is most prone to over dribbling and turnovers, while at SG crawford is most prone to spot-up contested perimeter chucking.

If you play Crawford at PG with Q at SG (this assumes better performance from Q than last year as a result of better health and emotional state) Crawford penetrates much more from the 1 position and feeds the post as well as any of our guards, while Q is less dependent than Francis on dribbling to score, i a more physical defender and possesses at least as much rebounding prowess as Francis. Together JC+Q make for a taller and probably better defensive backcourt than Francis+JC, with a better perimeter attack without sacrificing much in penetration.
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5/9/2006  7:12 AM
recall that stretch where Steph went down in January and Crawford had the reigns. some of the ugliest basketball to date.

Steve Francis is a much better lead guard than he has shown. Guys been in a serious rut snce Cat got traded from Orlando. Before that trade Orlando was headed to the playoffs. Grant was having a big comeback year and he and Mobley were combing for 40 points a game.

Francis for he left Houston - 45 wins.

Cawford has no record of leading teams anywhere but to high lotto picks.

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5/9/2006  12:35 PM
Posted by McK1:

recall that stretch where Steph went down in January and Crawford had the reigns. some of the ugliest basketball to date.

Steve Francis is a much better lead guard than he has shown. Guys been in a serious rut snce Cat got traded from Orlando. Before that trade Orlando was headed to the playoffs. Grant was having a big comeback year and he and Mobley were combing for 40 points a game.

Francis for he left Houston - 45 wins.

Cawford has no record of leading teams anywhere but to high lotto picks.

Again, I want to keep perspective here, I'm not saying Crawford is a special PG, my comments are simply him at PG relative to Francis.

First off, I concede two things, Crawford was awful after Marbury's injury, and Francis can be much better than he was last year. But I believe crawford was awful in no small part to the pressure of having to replace Marbury directly after a win streak while also being included in every trade rumor. Even his sister, on realgm, was indicating she thought he'd be going to Orlando, and we subsequently learned that the magic had the choice to take Ariza for payroll relief OR Crawford (for who, I wonder) and they chose Reezy. So crawford was under significant pressure and uncertainty at the time and he handled it poorly. I think the latter part of the season is more indicative of what we should expect under normal starter role circumstances.

Francis has been woeful, and I know he can do better, but his limitations are still there. He's a guy like Marbury, who produces when orient the offense to the backcourt and perimeter and you give him free reign to run the show and call his own shots. (Think arenas in Wash.) Francis can produce if you let him pound the ball on the perimeter and freelance, but that represents everything I was opposed to with Marbury, bad attitude and all. In a structured system his indecisiveness and B-line perimeter shooting leaves one wanting, and Van Gundy tired of his unwillingness to stay within the offense and feed the post, and I can't imagine Brown liking that any more.

I just see a Francis+Crawford backcourt as two combo guards in their respective undersized and miscast positions, while a Crawford+Q backcourt is good sized with each player fitting better cast at his position.

But ultimately it really boils down to who's more willing to handle the position Brown's way and put out on D. If francis is willing to buckle down and pressure the ball and run the point like Billips he'll have my support. Either way though he needs to work on his perimeter shooting which has hovered around .300 for the last few years. The guys has lost all the arc on his shot.
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5/9/2006  12:49 PM
i'm in complete agreement on this one BlueSeats... i also think Craw improved his defensive intensity tremendously toward the end of last season... he was deflecting passes, getting his hands in to create steals, & giving more of an effort to stay in front of his man... albeit, his defense is still poor relative to other good defending G's in the league, but he's at least trying... along w/Q, i think they are our best defensive backcourt... Marbury can play decent defense if he tries, but the problem is he doesn't try on a consistent basis on defense, & w/Craw we don't have to deal w/any of the primadonna attitude or unwillingness to run the plays that LB calls.
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5/9/2006  2:05 PM
I had similar hopes of him taking command prior to the start of last season. He showed me nothing over 82 that said to keep to.

Preparation focus mental toughness for whatever reason just was not there. Distracted by trade rumors? Possibly. KT spent how many season's here almost traded. His preparation and effort never waned.

I'd like to see Crawford in the summer league out there running the show for a few games. Show us the gravitational pull you have on the court. take 4 guys hungry to prve they belong in the NBA and make them look like a unit.
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5/9/2006  2:09 PM
that would be my ideal too... i want to see Crawford go into summer league w/the mentality that this is now his team to lead... i think he can step up to the challenge if given the opportunity.
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5/9/2006  2:14 PM
crawford has to bring it from day one b/c so far, his best position is still that of a 6th man.

he clearly wasn't ready to take the reigns when marbury went down and only really looked comfortable at the end of the year. is that something to build on or is it more of the same from him (like he's usually done his career)?

i have no clue.

but i don't think we can come into next season with him penciled as our starting pg unless we are going in a total dump and rebuild situation.
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5/9/2006  4:21 PM
Posted by McK1:

I had similar hopes of him taking command prior to the start of last season. He showed me nothing over 82 that said to keep to.

Preparation focus mental toughness for whatever reason just was not there. Distracted by trade rumors? Possibly. KT spent how many season's here almost traded. His preparation and effort never waned.

I'd like to see Crawford in the summer league out there running the show for a few games. Show us the gravitational pull you have on the court. take 4 guys hungry to prve they belong in the NBA and make them look like a unit.

I don't disagree with that. Inconsistency is Jamal's only consistency. But we're really just going on belief at this point, because I also can't remember the last time Francis convinced me of anything either. Just never been a fan of his, and his perpetual discontent of the last few years has been really disturbing. He's shown himself to be more mentally difficult than mentally tough.

As for summer league play, isn't that confined to rookies and sophomores?

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5/9/2006  5:20 PM
Baron played in one of the leagues last summer.
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