It's a simple question, Is there really any chance of us being under the cap at the end of K-Marts contract if we do not acquire him? If the answer is "no chance", make the trade and cross your fingers.

it would be nice just to have him instead of francis and rose right now, god Isiah is ****ing brain dead

Posted by MattSuspect:

It's a simple question, Is there really any chance of us being under the cap at the end of K-Marts contract if we do not acquire him? If the answer is "no chance", make the trade and cross your fingers.

the thing i hated when the McDyess trade blew up in our faces was having to think about all we gave up to get him (#7 pick & Camby)... i didn't pay as much mind to what Dice was making in terms of salary because this team was never close to being under the salary cap during the time he was here anyway... there's no way i'll be regretting giving up a marginal role player like Malik or Mo T to take the chance on a player who plays w/the aggression & passion that KMart does... it's a big financial risk, but in terms of loss of talent, we're not risking much of anything.

there are very few true impact guys in the NBA... i'm not expecting to get back a true impact player in exchange for guys like Malik or Mo T... i'd be more than happy to get back a role player who can give us some of the intangibles that this team is currently lacking... a player that can fit in nicely w/the type of mentality that NY fans have been aching to see on this team ever since Latrell Sprewell was here... the same type of rim rattling, in your face, rile up the crowd type player that Nate seems to be growing into... i think KMart would make a nice complement to this team, whereas guys like Mo T & Francis are completely superfluous & don't fit what we're trying to build here... Malik does to a certain extent w/his professionalism & class, but i'm willing to give that up to get a guy w/the much higher upside potential return.

Bip, a healthy K Mart is a big deal to have, and that would greatly help this team. No questions about that. But he's not healthy, and I betcha that Marcus Camby played in 45 of those 50 wins, and 30 of those 40 losses. I think besides Melo, he's the real impact on that team. NOT K Mart.

Agreed.

I'm not totally against KMart anymore than I was against Francis because I feel that we acquired him for nothing. If you can acquire him and put Denver on the defensive and force them to give you something(draft pick, young guy) for taking on his god awful salary, than okay. But anything else, an even deal or yet another one where we get robbed is just another episode in the history of Knicks. He has the talent to help us immensely. But in this environment I'm not all that confident that he will.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by Bippity10:

I'm not totally against KMart anymore than I was against Francis because I feel that we acquired him for nothing. If you can acquire him and put Denver on the defensive and force them to give you something(draft pick, young guy) for taking on his god awful salary, than okay. But anything else, an even deal or yet another one where we get robbed is just another episode in the history of Knicks. He has the talent to help us immensely. But in this environment I'm not all that confident that he will.

Thomas should step down because now this guy will take heat for moves that he isn't on board with just to satisfy Brown. The thing of it is that Larry is scare to hurt his rep. K-Mart bad knees and all may not be a bad thing but now Brown wants him to use the MLE to acquire Morning too. Say goodnite Gracy.

So will the next GM becaus that's what we do here. We pit our GM against our coach's. It's not a package deal. WE have to figure out who's idea it was so that we can blame them. It's such a negative situation and is a prime reason why we are not improving our situation. Every man for himself, every man afraid to make the "right" move because if it doesn't work they will get the blame and be fired.

When will we realize that our GM and coach are on the same team. It is a package deal. Coach wants a type of player. No matter who the coach is, it is up to the GM to get these types. If he doesn't want ot than it's up to him to find a coach that he can get on the same page with. But this pitting one against the other is killing us.

Posted by Pharzeone:

That's by point, Bip, now Thomas finds himself between his players, coach and now his owner and other execs. Thomas acquired players, hired Brown and is trying to applease the owners and other execs. For whatever reason if you believe it the owners and other execs want Brown gone, the malcontent players want Brown gone, Brown probably wants Brown gone and it looks like Thomas is the only one who wants to keep everybody. So he is trying to applease everyone. Let Brown make those decisions. He has to coach them (if he honors his contract). If he wants to trade the roster away for Zo, Martin, whoever let him. God Bless. Let Brown and Dolan fight it out. Personally I think the moment that Thomas does step done, Brown is outta of here either by choice or not. It is interesting how much interference that Thomas had to run for Brown.

I'm with you. I think Layden operated under similar circumstances and is pretty much the reason why we saw such weird moves out of him too. It's such a sad state of affairs. This has to improve before we worry about Kmart or Jermaine etc. The atmosphere of back stabbing and doing things to save jobs and reps, from the front office to the players, is pathetic. We will continue to bring in players who just come here for the money until we change this.

Hire a coach. Coach is in charge. Do whatever you can to get him whatever he wants until you decide that his direction is not good enough(can't be decided in one year). Then you strip all the power away from the losers and give it to the coach. After that it comes down to making the proper personnel decisions. We are not there yet. We still have everyone battling everyone else. We are still undermining LB just as much as we undermined Chaney by not getting him his type of players, Lenny by firing his staff and Herb by interviewing others while he was coaching.

When will we learn? Instead we will get "StarPhucked" once again. Tickets will be sold. Everyone will predict 40 wins and a first roung playoff, and we will be right back where we started. Then come postseason idiots like us will be online trying to figure out what is wrong when deep down inside we all KNOW WHAT IS WRONG.