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IN FAIRNESS TO ZEKE
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gunsnewing
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4/26/2006  7:21 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BlueSeats:

If i were GM I'd have taken steps to acquire a franchise caliber talent first (via the draft and/or free agency), then to surround him with role players.

Isiah has chosen to first assemble a bench and glut in the hope they can be traded for a superstar.



Isiah's idea of a franchise superstar was Stephon Marbury.

sad but true

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bobs3304
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4/26/2006  7:27 PM

i blame isiah for turning 90 million into 125...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
WOODMANnYk
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4/26/2006  11:54 PM
I blame Ass iah for signing jerome James for 30mil, trading away our best defensive post player in Kurt Thomas, getting jalen Rose and Stevie nonfranchise and having 6 shooting guards along with 5 power forwards..
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4949
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4/27/2006  1:18 AM
Zeke could have went in three different directions. One, he could have waited for major contracts to run out, to try and get under that cap, but New York couldn't wait. He could have built a coach and the brain trust to figure out what was needed for the future and how to go about getting it, but New York couldn't wait. but instead he did what New York wanted him to do and that is do something, do something 'fast'. When Zeke got here, he had a private get together with Jay Z and Spike Lee and that is exactly what they told him. 'Whatever you do, do it fast'! That is the New York way. That is the number one things that destroys 'rebuilding' efforts for any of our New York teams. New York has always pressured players to come in and produce. You see it all of the time and you can't deny it. So in the Knicks case, if we had just waited, let some of the contracts run out, then we could have offered such players as Tim Duncan, Chris Webber, Kobe Bryant at one time a contract that may have lured them to New York. I already know that we have already passed up the chance a few years back to land LeBron in the near future. So we got to take guys like Marbury, Jerome James (what a huge dissapointment) and few of the others, because we have no money to offer big time stars in the league to come play for us. And let's not even get into having a shot at the number one draft pick. I believe Ewing will be the only one we'll ever have as far as that goes. Mind you, this is because New York can't wait and let's be realistic here. New York will 'never' wait. It will always be 'have it now'! New York is painting itself into a finanacial corner, when it comes to sports. We have players who come here, who makes tons and tons of money but don't really put up the clutch it takes to win the whole thing. So Zeke made the decision to pay now and hope for the best and when you look at the names we have on the roster and you look at the wins (23) and you wonder what happened? Don't get me wrong, New York City will once again have it's champions, it's just how exactly and when is the question and at this point, unless we start playing 'not' some fundamental baseketball, but instead some fundamental financial management, we won't be seeing the lights of that scenario for quite some time.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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4/27/2006  2:43 AM
This "New York can't wait" stuff is bull. I cringe when I hear people talking about it. We want to see our teams headed in the right direction and playing with toughness, passion, heart and desire.

What does "NY can't wait" mean anyway? The fans will be upset if we need to rebuild? Is that it? Please... we'll keep coming to the games anyway, and they'll still get their money.

That damn phrase that IT used to try to push his quick-fix agenda is far from the truth and doesn't really make any sense.
sbb30
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4/27/2006  4:24 AM
If he decided to let the contracts run out to get under the cap, he'd still be waiting...
4949
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4/27/2006  9:40 PM
Exactly a part of my point sbb30 and mythfaze, it's not bull what I was saying. You just got to think about it or maybe we see this from two totally different perspectives, obviously. The fact is, we have crap for players (face it, we don't have a LeBron, Kobe or Duncan) and we don't have any money at all to offer super power free agents that go by the wayside because of it. At this point, all we have is 'promise' from our young guys and hopefully, in the near future we can work out a deal for that missing piece. But then again, what I'm saying could be moot if Zeke can pull off a banaza! If anyone can do it, I think he can. All I know is, everytime we make a move, it's cost us more and more each time and we get deeper and deeper into debt.
I'll never trust this' team again.
Rich
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4/28/2006  12:27 AM
Isiah has made Layden look good.
nyk4ever
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4/28/2006  1:12 AM
Posted by Rich:

Isiah has made Layden look good.

Think back to 2003. If you told any Knick fan that in 2006 that they would be saying what you said they would have laughed in your face. Now? We're just being laughed at by the rest of the NBA.
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Pharzeone
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4/28/2006  1:22 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Rich:

Isiah has made Layden look good.

Think back to 2003. If you told any Knick fan that in 2006 that they would be saying what you said they would have laughed in your face. Now? We're just being laughed at by the rest of the NBA.

Newsflash, the Knicks have been laughed at for as long as I can remember. Only Knick fans look back on the 90s team with such as regard. Nothing new for me being a Knick fan. LOL, I use to have to defend Ewing to other so called Knick fans.
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4949
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4/28/2006  6:07 PM
How do you figure Rich? If Layden had waited a few more season's, we certainly could of had Kobe on this team, offering 'him' 100 mil. for 7 years. He would have been worth every penny of it and Houston, we all know what Houston did for us (nothing but stats) and then a broken down couple of seasons and now reduced to retirement and we still have to pay the rest to him. I just can't see how anyone can say that Zeke made Layden look good. You got to be kidding me!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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