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SlimPack
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4/24/2006  11:59 AM
he was probably just lying. Larry Brown lies alot.
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Posted by SlimPack:

he was probably just lying. Larry Brown lies alot.

If those stories about Dolan wanting the man gone are true and Thomas was defending him, then Brown really has issues because there is alot more to this story then getting Brown type of players, rotations. After everyone is traded, Thomas gone, and Brown has everyone he claim he needs, what then? Does he coach, or does he move on. Is he happy at that point, will he decide to coach the team rather than moan about the team. If and when they don't win will it be his type of players' fault, Isiah's fault's, Dolan's fault's, media's fault? LOL, the funny thing he has been that Brown's grip has been they won't listen to me, well when the players see that the coach isn't listening to the owner or GM, I guess I getting a better picture of what was going on in the season.
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4/24/2006  12:29 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nixluva:

What does the awful job that LB did have to do with Steph? Steph tried to do what LB wanted BUT you have to look at what LB did to HELP steph succeed. I contend that he DIDN'T help Steph succeed. Examples?

LB's decision to start Q at SG over Jamal. This would seem to make sense, but if you look at what JC and Steph did last year you'd clearly see that they were a potent duo and had developed some chemistry. They avg'd 40ppg and 12 asts last year. Q was AWFUL from the start and LB just kept sending him out there. Q did have a death in the family, but he stunk before that happened. This also DESTROYED Jamal's confidence and we lost him for a good long while.

LB's decision NOT to play David Lee. What the hell was that about? Isn't Lee exactly the type of player that he likes?

To me the biggest thing was LB's decisions on the Starting Lineup. Nov. 26 OT win vs Sixers he has Q, Frye, Ariza and AD in the SL with Steph. That was a crazy idea. Q had 0 pts, AD 4 and Ariza 3. The only guy who should've started was Frye who had 21. Nov. 28 LB used the same lineup and we lost to the Heat, Q had 9pts, Ariza 6pts, AD 2pts. Dec. 2 vs Pistons LB used Q 7pts , Malik 2pts, MO 6pts and AD 8pts. Dec. 4 vs Celtics LB used Q 9pts, Nate 6 pts, AD 4pts and Curry 3 pts.

I could keep going on, but the thing is that during this time Guys who actually performed didn't start. Frye should never have come out of the SL. Meanwhile Q kept his job even tho he stunk. We always want to try and blame Steph, but he can't make guys make their shots. At this point Steph was doing what LB wanted as much as he could, but those SL's left him with no help game after game. Then as the lineups changed, this made it even harder on Steph and the other guys to develop and chemistry.

My problem with LB is that he didn't make good decisions and he showed no patience. If he had shown patience to let this group of mostly new guys jell and have some consistency they might have gotten it together.

i agree 100% that lb did not put steph in the best situations. but again, it comes down to lb not caring about wins or losses this year. and i understand that makes alot of people upset and unhappy. but it still doesn't mean that steph should go at it with lb. and that's the point i'm trying to make.

lb was an AWFUL in game coach this year with lineups and rotations. but his plan wasn't trying to make the 8th seed this year. his plan was to change how people approached the game and challenge them to see how they responded. and somewhere along the line, i don't think he knew how to handle the backlash from some of the players which resulted in his outbursts in the media. if steph never said one thing in the media, regardless of what lb was saying, if he was all "coach is awesome" like jamal, then this would've been a completely different season. like isiah said "i was raised that the coach is always right, even if he's wrong." it's a respect thing. like respecting your elders. you keep quiet and you take it. and that's what chauncy was trying to tell him. that's what iverson was trying to tell him. but he didn't. and it's unfortunate b/c he would've become a better player for it...as did chauncy and iverson.

My thing is that Steph wasn't outwardly insubordinate all the time. LB just tends to be overly critical with ALL his PG's. With Steph tho he took it to new levels. Calling him Stupid indirectly as if Steph wouldn't get the insinuation. He's a grown man like you or I and if we could understand what LB was getting at, then you KNOW Steph got it and even if he didn't i'm sure a friend or media guy would point it out to him. To me LB was paid to coach the team he had this year and he chose not to do that. He chose to treat this like a NBDL season and its not. If Steph never said a thing and wwent along with it all, that wouldn't have made Q, AD, Malik or Ariza hit shots. LB put some of the WORST Starting Lineups out there with Steph i've ever seen. Then he asks him to sitt back and distribute the ball like Billups in Detroit. As if that alone would make those guys transform into Rip, Prince, Rasheed and Ben. Meanwhile its killin Steph to watch this mess game after game. And all the while Steph takes the blame. I'd say FU too after a while.
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4/24/2006  2:09 PM
Posted by Caseloads:

I'm interested to see what Isiah could do coaching this team that he put together.
Me too.
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4/24/2006  2:10 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

well it looks like it breaks down to this - the marbury camp or the coach's camp. and i use the word "coach" b/c in this situation, it doesn't matter who the coach is...just ask lenny that.
YOu are a broken record man. This is how you respond to his record? LB vs. Steph. You are missing the point, and you hate Marbs enough that you will not allow yourself to get it. This is not about Steph, its about Larry Brown. What about the teams that got better after LB left?

Half of a team playing for you means that half of a team is not. Thats bad coaching.
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4/24/2006  2:15 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by djsunyc:

well it looks like it breaks down to this - the marbury camp or the coach's camp. and i use the word "coach" b/c in this situation, it doesn't matter who the coach is...just ask lenny that.
YOu are a broken record man. This is how you respond to his record? LB vs. Steph. You are missing the point, and you hate Marbs enough that you will not allow yourself to get it. This is not about Steph, its about Larry Brown. What about the teams that got better after LB left?

Half of a team playing for you means that half of a team is not. Thats bad coaching.

no **** it's not about steph or lb. it's about these collection of pansies isiah brought in. fire him first. bring in another guy and let him decide who stays or who goes. but as of right now, they're both here. and they both can't co-exist. so one of them has to go. wouldn't you agree with that?

23-59 sucks. absoluty SUCKS. but it ain't about the coaching my friend. b/c 33 wins was last season, and that SUCKED. completely different coach, completely different approach, same SH TTY results. lenny was a bad coach too. and so was herb.

rinse, lather, repeat. fire larry. hire coach <who gives a fcuk>. win 35 games. rinse, lather, repeat.

killa - our players are PANSIES. concentrate on that first.

how many of the guys on the team now would last a training camp under riley with ewing, oakley, mase, starks, and harper beating down on them every day? how many are mentally tough enough to withstand that? and how many will fold? the only reason riles didn't flip out as much as lb is b/c he didn't have to. guys like ewing, oakley - they patrolled themselves. they were leaders and took care of sh t in-house. we don't have that. we don't have anything CLOSE to that. and it doesn't come from the coach. it comes from the players. if starbury went balls to the wall with lb, instead of "if we don't win, i ain't gonna be happy" (btw, what kind of BULLSH T is that anyway? way to go mr. franchise player), this season would've turned out 100X better.

alot of people here wanted nate mcmillan. what would've happened if he came here with and tried to coach like he did in portland? how about jerry sloan? to a man, everybody here would agree he's one of the best also. same deal down there.

we have to put a foot down man. and it starts with the players. i don't care if it's lb or anybody else, they're not the reason we suck. and you know that.

btw, i have a crush on stephanie ready. how cute was she last night doing the sideline reporting in the pistons game.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-24-2006 2:31 PM]
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4/24/2006  2:47 PM
is stephanie your pet name for Marbury?
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4/24/2006  2:51 PM
Posted by fishmike:

is stephanie your pet name for Marbury?

dude, i tell you one story about the weekend i spent in prison and you hold it over my head like this? not cool.
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4/24/2006  6:08 PM
Aww man. Just stop. Your hero is a cry-baby and has been exposed. Larry didn't do a good job this season.. but he never
quit on the team. Marbury makes millions to play a game.. he hasn't gotten better his eight plus years in the league. Just leave this topic.. you sound silly. Move on.
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by djsunyc:

well it looks like it breaks down to this - the marbury camp or the coach's camp. and i use the word "coach" b/c in this situation, it doesn't matter who the coach is...just ask lenny that.
YOu are a broken record man. This is how you respond to his record? LB vs. Steph. You are missing the point, and you hate Marbs enough that you will not allow yourself to get it. This is not about Steph, its about Larry Brown. What about the teams that got better after LB left?

Half of a team playing for you means that half of a team is not. Thats bad coaching.
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4/24/2006  7:11 PM
Everyone including Larry said he did a bad job.

Brevity helps:

"the sum of the pieces collectively are worth less than each part".

Add the highest payroll ever and you got one dumb looking GM!

And he did such a good job, lets let him coach.

5 coaches that would be in 3 seasons. That would be brilliant.

Let isiah finish this mess. Its his rep. He can't clean this one up, he needs to just stick to popcorn.
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4/24/2006  8:48 PM
"The rumblings throughout the organization and again, the league, are that Brown purposely sabotaged the season. But no one can prove that and you never want to publicly accuse someone of doing that. One team's president told me, "All I can say is that if he did that, he's one evil (expletive)."



As these type of quotes start coming out, then you wonder what's really going. This goes beyond what is done on the court if this is true and the owner and his execs believe this is the case. You now have a GM vouching for his coach while you have a owner, his execs, and possibly other execs around the league saying this. That's bad. The sad thing is that with Brown you can't laugh it off either, because given his track record, you think well...

[Edited by - pharzeone on 04-24-2006 8:49 PM]
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4/24/2006  9:46 PM
Tell you what. I wouldn't mind Isiah coaching his players. He would play run and gun and we would win 40-45 games. Make the playoffs and up a lot of people's (Steph, Francis, Rose, Frye) trade value. Then we might be on to something a little better. Him playing Mike Fratello style with a team that resembles the Seattle Supersonics East made no sense. Yes the team is soft. But it is talented. The Nets are soft too (Jefferson and Carter especially). They do alright every year. It takes a lot of factors to win a championship. It doesn't take much these days to make the playoffs. Given that a championship doesn't happen very often, get our butts to the playoffs please and we will go from there.
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4/24/2006  11:54 PM


What is the motive to sabatage?
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4/25/2006  12:29 AM
Posted by Nalod:



What is the motive to sabatage?


To marginalize Zeke and gain control of player decisions...He started by saying the roster was flawed shortly after the season began...He also knew this when he signed his contract but said nothing...He tanked the season to turn the fans against the GM and the players..He knew the city would back him anyday over those guys no matter what happens...

He didn't count on Dolan showing Zeke loyalty....

Just a question though...Do you guys think Brown is not capable of this?







[Edited by - holfresh on 04-25-2006 12:30 AM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 04-25-2006 12:31 AM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 04-25-2006 12:55 AM]
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4/25/2006  7:55 AM
well... one doesnt have to work very hard to marginalize Zeke. That tends to happen all by itself.

No.. I dont think he's capable of it. Back stabbing yes. Being a snake to get the GM spot (if thats what he wants) yes. Tanking games to prove a point? No, but thats just my opinion.

How did he sabotage the season? You do realize he didnt call guys out in the press until they FIRST stopped playing hard? These guys ARE dumb! How do you get to the NBA and not know where the shot clock is?

He knew the city would back him anyday over those guys no matter what happens...
if what you suggest is true, why do you think that is?

Is this anything new? Didnt JVG bench Camby to prove a point? And it cost Ernie his job? Didnt Pat the rat do get himself booted so he could take a better deal w/ Miami? This is how these guys are.
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4/25/2006  8:13 AM
I don't think Larry's routines are that targeted and intentional. I think a lot of it is restlessness and a need to just keep annoying and provoking others. The guy is a world-class nudge. A bonafide pain-in-the-f**g-ass. Cannot keep his mouth shut, cannot stop criticizing, cannot stop meddling and grating and annoying people. Not that evil or Machiavellian. Just a world-class pain-in-the-ass. Anyone recognize the type? Anyone have plenty of this type of people they have to deal with in life?
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4/25/2006  11:26 AM
Man, if this forum is a good sample of Knick fans, no wonder they Knicks sell out despite being a disgrace.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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4/25/2006  1:55 PM
I think our standards as a fan base have lowered so far that this team is actually acceptable. Fans still think we are a player/coach away from turning it around. So they are still excited.
I just hope that people will like me
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4/25/2006  2:29 PM
all the millions and still no ads in the local rags this side of the Mississippi apologizig to the fans.

I wonder had we won 30 would Crawford again have signed sneakers and shook hands in the home Finale?
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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4/25/2006  3:33 PM
Posted by rojasmas:

Tell you what. I wouldn't mind Isiah coaching his players. He would play run and gun and we would win 40-45 games. Make the playoffs and up a lot of people's (Steph, Francis, Rose, Frye) trade value. Then we might be on to something a little better. Him playing Mike Fratello style with a team that resembles the Seattle Supersonics East made no sense. Yes the team is soft. But it is talented. The Nets are soft too (Jefferson and Carter especially). They do alright every year. It takes a lot of factors to win a championship. It doesn't take much these days to make the playoffs. Given that a championship doesn't happen very often, get our butts to the playoffs please and we will go from there.
My whole point. SO if LB hated the roster, and had any sense, He'd play them to their strengths, up their value, and then push to trade them in the off-season. But the LB lickers want to make it like he had a plan. His plan whatever it was, failed, unless it was to devalue every players value and that of the teams.
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