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simrud
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4/23/2006  5:56 PM
Sure will, and not gonna come back till IT is either fired or dead, don't really care which one.
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4/23/2006  7:06 PM
Posted by simrud:

Sure will, and not gonna come back till IT is either fired or dead, don't really care which one.

Thats how you root for a team, leave them until some guy you don't like is gone. What a fan.
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4/23/2006  7:59 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by simrud:

You know if IT really gets away with firing Brown, I'm done with this team. Fck them all.

Well say goodbye because Dolan wasn't please with Brown's actions either. Brown never leaves a team with good feelings. Its more like well get the hell out. Detroit, Philly, NJ, SA, LA. Probably the only place where there wasn't that much of hard feelings was Indiana and that was because they didn't mind him leaving to bring in Indiana's own Bird. Brown scorches earth when he leaves.



Your comments make too much sense for these Brown supporters to respond to. In all honesty, Brown needs to go. His recent health problems have opened up a back door form him to exit through.

Not saying its all Browns fault, but its much easier to rid your self of the one person (the coach) as opposed to completely turning over a roster of overpaid, damaged-character players.

Even if Isiah is able to trim some of the fat off this roster, Brown still needs to go. Brown has proven over time that he lacks people skills, and doesn't know how to deal with todays modern athletes. Not saying that todays generation X players don't have tons of mental-issues themselves, but thats make-up of the league. If your desire is to coach in this league, you need to know how to adjust to the athletes. And Brown can't.

The whole olympic team hated him (save for a few players.) And you can scream till the cows come home that the olympic team players are pampered premadonna's and they should have listened to Brown. Maybe. But the reality of it all is that these pampered, selfish athletes make-up about 75% of the league. So before you hand in your resume, you need to do a background check.

Its no coincidence that despite Browns winning reputation, The owners and Gm's of the teams he's worked for couldn't wait to usher him out of town. Its no coincidence that everywhere he leaves, stories of him backstabbing his players are spreading like slow-leaks from the mouths of snitches in the projects.

As Pharzeone stated, all these reports about him wanting to get rid of Billups are bubbling to the surface. Tha same with AI. But if you put a Mic in front of Brown today, he'll tell you how much he loved them players despite his numerous attempts to rid his team of those very same players yesterday.

I don't care if your name is John Wooden, its kind of hard for any player to want to run through a brick-wall for you when the words you broadcast before a mic for millions to hear and the words that millions of wide-eyes read in between the sheets of black and white newspapers, show no confidence in you, say that your not his type of player, imply that you need to be traded pronto, say that you don't have much of a BB IQ, and that your not very good (which is a great endorsement for other teams to ante up there best players for you by the way...lol)

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4/23/2006  8:14 PM
were we not a tire fire last year? were we not directionless with Herb, lenny and chaney at the helm? So now LB must go? I get it, lets keep running through coaches and ignoring the real problem... If my car engine knocks, and runs loudly, I am not going to change the tires and expect for it to get better, I am going to address the engine.Yet this organization does the opposite, the engine is bad in this machine, yet we keep phuching with the wheels, radio, new paint job, same old BS..
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4/23/2006  8:18 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by simrud:

You know if IT really gets away with firing Brown, I'm done with this team. Fck them all.

Well say goodbye because Dolan wasn't please with Brown's actions either. Brown never leaves a team with good feelings. Its more like well get the hell out. Detroit, Philly, NJ, SA, LA. Probably the only place where there wasn't that much of hard feelings was Indiana and that was because they didn't mind him leaving to bring in Indiana's own Bird. Brown scorches earth when he leaves.



Your comments make too much sense for these Brown supporters to respond to. In all honesty, Brown needs to go. His recent health problems have opened up a back door form him to exit through.

Not saying its all Browns fault, but its much easier to rid your self of the one person (the coach) as opposed to completely turning over a roster of overpaid, damaged-character players.

Even if Isiah is able to trim some of the fat off this roster, Brown still needs to go. Brown has proven over time that he lacks people skills, and doesn't know how to deal with todays modern athletes. Not saying that todays generation X players don't have tons of mental-issues themselves, but thats make-up of the league. If your desire is to coach in this league, you need to know how to adjust to the athletes. And Brown can't.

The whole olympic team hated him (save for a few players.) And you can scream till the cows come home that the olympic team players are pampered premadonna's and they should have listened to Brown. Maybe. But the reality of it all is that these pampered, selfish athletes make-up about 75% of the league. So before you hand in your resume, you need to do a background check.

Its no coincidence that despite Browns winning reputation, The owners and Gm's of the teams he's worked for couldn't wait to usher him out of town. Its no coincidence that everywhere he leaves, stories of him backstabbing his players are spreading like slow-leaks from the mouths of snitches in the projects.

As Pharzeone stated, all these reports about him wanting to get rid of Billups are bubbling to the surface. Tha same with AI. But if you put a Mic in front of Brown today, he'll tell you how much he loved them players despite his numerous attempts to rid his team of those very same players yesterday.

I don't care if your name is John Wooden, its kind of hard for any player to want to run through a brick-wall for you when the words you broadcast before a mic for millions to hear and the words that millions of wide-eyes read in between the sheets of black and white newspapers, show no confidence in you, say that your not his type of player, imply that you need to be traded pronto, say that you don't have much of a BB IQ, and that your not very good (which is a great endorsement for other teams to ante up there best players for you by the way...lol)

Brown does scorch everywhere he leaves with hard feelings and MANY experts and posters alike predicted when LB was hired that if/when LB left it would be a bigger scenario than the one he created in Detroit. His exits are getting more and more elaborate. This one will be the one in the biggest market with one of the highest profile (until recently) gm's on one of the highest profile, higest pressure teams in the league. I support Brown and I think this.

It's amazing that it is a catch 22 when some of you guys argue about Marbury over Brown. When the guys who support Brown say he has the credentials on his resume, The Marbury guys say that is the past,it doesn't mean anything. Yet the biggest argument in support of Steph is he averaged 20 and 8 over the previous 10 years of his career and that proves he is a great player. We can't have it both ways here guys if we past matters in one, it matters in both.

Its no coincidence that everywhere he leaves, stories of him backstabbing his players are spreading like slow-leaks from the mouths of snitches in the projects.

Can't you in all honesty say the exact same thing about Steph?
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4/23/2006  8:23 PM
as the beastie boy's said in "rhymin and stealin'"

most illingest zeke-boy - i got that feeling
cause i am the Lord and i'm wheelin' and dealin'

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4/23/2006  8:32 PM
Mike Vaccaro

"Mostly, he needs to understand, finally, at age 65 (going on 66) that the business he has chosen is coaching professional basketball, and professional ballplayers, and professional egos. For years Brown has ruminated about how nice it would be to coach high school ball somewhere, where he could be a teacher, where he could mold young basketball hearts and sculpt young basketball souls.

You know what? He's more than welcome to do that tomorrow, if he'd like, if he doesn't mind forfeiting the remaining $40 million the Knicks owe him, if he doesn't mind teaching and molding for a $7,000 stipend somewhere, in between teaching health and phys ed. If he wants to find that basketball paradise of his tortured dreams, if he wants to be Gene Hackman in "Hoosiers," then do it. If not, if he wants to be the head coach of the New York Knicks, then he should quit the ancillary agendas and coach the damn team. No more hand-wringing. No more feuds with the star, whomever that star happens to be.

"I'm better for this experience," Larry Brown said yesterday.

It's impossible to think that he truly believes that, because nothing about Larry Brown is better today than it was on July 27, not his health, not his winning percentage, not his perception as a basketball impresario, certainly not his reputation."

This pretty much sums up how feel about Brown. He needs learn how to adjust to what he has and not throw a hissy-fit because he doesn't have his so called players.

BTW, is there really an LB player out there? I keep hearing he wants Ratliff. Really? He sure didnt want him when Philly made there finals run.

Mike James is his type of player now? Thats interesting because he ran him out of Detroit when he had him.

Speedy hardly ever left the bench in Philly.
Oh...wait...I think I got it....LB's players are the ones on the opposing teams. Ever hear him wax poetic about the other teams guys when we lose? So now I see why Lb loves Ratliff and James again. They aren't on his team. Put knick uni's on those guys this summer, he'll be trying them to trade them back for Marbury by the allstar break.



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4/23/2006  8:35 PM
Posted by bigbeast:


Your comments make too much sense for these Brown supporters to respond to. In all honesty, Brown needs to go. His recent health problems have opened up a back door form him to exit through.

Not saying its all Browns fault, but its much easier to rid your self of the one person (the coach) as opposed to completely turning over a roster of overpaid, damaged-character players.

Even if Isiah is able to trim some of the fat off this roster, Brown still needs to go. Brown has proven over time that he lacks people skills, and doesn't know how to deal with todays modern athletes. Not saying that todays generation X players don't have tons of mental-issues themselves, but thats make-up of the league. If your desire is to coach in this league, you need to know how to adjust to the athletes. And Brown can't.

The whole olympic team hated him (save for a few players.) And you can scream till the cows come home that the olympic team players are pampered premadonna's and they should have listened to Brown. Maybe. But the reality of it all is that these pampered, selfish athletes make-up about 75% of the league. So before you hand in your resume, you need to do a background check.

Its no coincidence that despite Browns winning reputation, The owners and Gm's of the teams he's worked for couldn't wait to usher him out of town. Its no coincidence that everywhere he leaves, stories of him backstabbing his players are spreading like slow-leaks from the mouths of snitches in the projects.

As Pharzeone stated, all these reports about him wanting to get rid of Billups are bubbling to the surface. Tha same with AI. But if you put a Mic in front of Brown today, he'll tell you how much he loved them players despite his numerous attempts to rid his team of those very same players yesterday.

I don't care if your name is John Wooden, its kind of hard for any player to want to run through a brick-wall for you when the words you broadcast before a mic for millions to hear and the words that millions of wide-eyes read in between the sheets of black and white newspapers, show no confidence in you, say that your not his type of player, imply that you need to be traded pronto, say that you don't have much of a BB IQ, and that your not very good (which is a great endorsement for other teams to ante up there best players for you by the way...lol)

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4/23/2006  8:42 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by simrud:

You know if IT really gets away with firing Brown, I'm done with this team. Fck them all.

Well say goodbye because Dolan wasn't please with Brown's actions either. Brown never leaves a team with good feelings. Its more like well get the hell out. Detroit, Philly, NJ, SA, LA. Probably the only place where there wasn't that much of hard feelings was Indiana and that was because they didn't mind him leaving to bring in Indiana's own Bird. Brown scorches earth when he leaves.



Your comments make too much sense for these Brown supporters to respond to. In all honesty, Brown needs to go. His recent health problems have opened up a back door form him to exit through.

Not saying its all Browns fault, but its much easier to rid your self of the one person (the coach) as opposed to completely turning over a roster of overpaid, damaged-character players.

Even if Isiah is able to trim some of the fat off this roster, Brown still needs to go. Brown has proven over time that he lacks people skills, and doesn't know how to deal with todays modern athletes. Not saying that todays generation X players don't have tons of mental-issues themselves, but thats make-up of the league. If your desire is to coach in this league, you need to know how to adjust to the athletes. And Brown can't.

The whole olympic team hated him (save for a few players.) And you can scream till the cows come home that the olympic team players are pampered premadonna's and they should have listened to Brown. Maybe. But the reality of it all is that these pampered, selfish athletes make-up about 75% of the league. So before you hand in your resume, you need to do a background check.

Its no coincidence that despite Browns winning reputation, The owners and Gm's of the teams he's worked for couldn't wait to usher him out of town. Its no coincidence that everywhere he leaves, stories of him backstabbing his players are spreading like slow-leaks from the mouths of snitches in the projects.

As Pharzeone stated, all these reports about him wanting to get rid of Billups are bubbling to the surface. Tha same with AI. But if you put a Mic in front of Brown today, he'll tell you how much he loved them players despite his numerous attempts to rid his team of those very same players yesterday.

I don't care if your name is John Wooden, its kind of hard for any player to want to run through a brick-wall for you when the words you broadcast before a mic for millions to hear and the words that millions of wide-eyes read in between the sheets of black and white newspapers, show no confidence in you, say that your not his type of player, imply that you need to be traded pronto, say that you don't have much of a BB IQ, and that your not very good (which is a great endorsement for other teams to ante up there best players for you by the way...lol)

Brown does scorch everywhere he leaves with hard feelings and MANY experts and posters alike predicted when LB was hired that if/when LB left it would be a bigger scenario than the one he created in Detroit. His exits are getting more and more elaborate. This one will be the one in the biggest market with one of the highest profile (until recently) gm's on one of the highest profile, higest pressure teams in the league. I support Brown and I think this.

It's amazing that it is a catch 22 when some of you guys argue about Marbury over Brown. When the guys who support Brown say he has the credentials on his resume, The Marbury guys say that is the past,it doesn't mean anything. Yet the biggest argument in support of Steph is he averaged 20 and 8 over the previous 10 years of his career and that proves he is a great player. We can't have it both ways here guys if we past matters in one, it matters in both.

Its no coincidence that everywhere he leaves, stories of him backstabbing his players are spreading like slow-leaks from the mouths of snitches in the projects.

Can't you in all honesty say the exact same thing about Steph?

Oh, yes, I totally agree. Im not defending Marbury either. I been endorsing a Marbury trade since November. I personally would like to see the Knicks seriously rebuild with young players....but that would never happen on LB's watch which is another reason why I want LB outta here.

I think we should have kept Herb, and rebuilt this team. This team needs to be gutted and you don't bring a coach like Brown in to rebuild. You bring him in to close the deal if you think you have a team capable of doing major damage in the playoffs.

We should have kept Herb, gutted the team and let him take the bullet while we rebuild similar to Mike Woodson in ATL.

I'm hoping that LB walks this summer, and Isiah recommits to rebuilding. Move Mrabury to Minny for that top ten lotto pick. Try to move Rose and Taylos expiring contracts for one long contract in return along with a young player (maybe Ratliff and Outlaw )....somehting along those lines.....

[Edited by - bigbeast on 04-23-2006 8:44 PM]
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4/23/2006  8:45 PM
Makes sense to me. There are a lot of good coaches who don't berate and humiliate their players. LB is just too insecure. Which is sad. Because he has had a great career and probably won't be remembered for it but for his me-first tendencies and always skipping town for the next great job opportunity. And burning bridges as he leaves.
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4/23/2006  8:49 PM
^I think the whole issue is what grade of rebuilding are we talking about? We got 5 or 6 young guys with the potential for at least 2 more in the draft. Personally I would like to streamline our youths to a more manageable 3 or 4 (Frye would be the only untouchable) and rebuild with guys that are 25-27 and at least partially developed and not 21-23 yr olds.

Look, not one team has ever won a title with SO many young players as their core. If you can deal Steph or Francis and a youth or the picks for a Cornerstone (ie Pierce, TMac) then let it be done. If you are somehow able to swing Steph, Francis, Jalen, Mo, Q1 or Q2, maybe Lee or Nate into 3 unquestioned starters (a big reason for the lineups, IMO, is that noe one player siezed the starting position-except maybe Steph....Honestly Curry started by default to me.
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4/23/2006  9:02 PM
How can any of you really root for IT or any of his fag players? If the NBA is really mostly made up of primadonna crybabies, then you know what, fck the NBA and watch college.

I don't agree that the NBA is majorly made up of punks. I think IT has did a fine job of bringing together a group of punks, but thats just my opinion I guess.

Don't understand why you'd be interested in watching a bunch of fags playin w/out heart if it was 75% what you say it is.
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4/23/2006  9:04 PM
It's amazing that it is a catch 22 when some of you guys argue about Marbury over Brown. When the guys who support Brown say he has the credentials on his resume, The Marbury guys say that is the past,it doesn't mean anything. Yet the biggest argument in support of Steph is he averaged 20 and 8 over the previous 10 years of his career and that proves he is a great player. We can't have it both ways here guys if we past matters in one, it matters in both.

Joe, we're not talking Pepsi or Coke. It's not as simple as Marbury VS. Steph.

This year LB has performed as poorly as the worst player on the team, Marbury or no Marbury.

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4/23/2006  9:07 PM
Granted Brown did suck this year, the players on the roster were a major reason for that.

Mark my words, but Curry will never amount to anything more then he is, and Taylor, both Roses, AD, Q are all done for their careers. Francis and Marbury will never be on winning teams.

Only the young guys have any hope, and they were just not ready this year to shouler the load w/out any help from the washed up vets.
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4/23/2006  9:08 PM
I'm not saying LB is totally clean here, but I am saying the blame to me least 65-35, or at the very least 60-40 heavy side on the players.
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4/23/2006  9:12 PM
Granted Brown did suck this year, the players on the roster were a major reason for that.

I'm not saying LB is totally clean here, but I am saying the blame to me least 65-35, or at the very least 60-40 heavy side on the players.

Who is to say who caused who's sucking? But I do find this interesting, each of these players has had the worst year of their careers, or at least since early in their careers.

Let's say we break down the blame at 66% Players, 33% Brown, that gives Brown a lot more responsibilty than any one player.

Only the young guys have any hope, and they were just not ready this year to shouler the load w/out any help from the washed up vets.

Maybe not, but they could have lost 59 games without Rose(s), Davis, Taylor, etc. playing one minute, and I bet we all would have been happier.

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4/23/2006  9:15 PM
You reall think IT would let Brown not play his "prized" veterans? How do you deal with that lockeroom? They all flipped out and quit even when they got playin time.

Imagine what would happen if Brown just set all the washed up girls. IT would be after him in a second.
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4/23/2006  9:19 PM
Let's say we break down the blame at 66% Players, 33% Brown, that gives Brown a lot more responsibilty than any one player.

Since there is no way I feel any reason to actually try to assign singular blame to players, as a whole the players are more at fault.
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4/23/2006  10:02 PM
Hmm... This is interesting life story...
This stuff happened all the time in the American corporate world (and Cablevision is a part of it)
The VP (Isaiah) insisting on buying some equipment (Players) and this equipment failed badly to do what it suppose to do (At list get to playoff). So to save his ass in front of the CIO (Dolan) the VP hire a new manager (LB) with the fat Resume... The manager comes, see the equipment (players) and think - this crap will never do the job.
To make it clear to CIO, dump the VP and take his place he will f***c it up completely...
So will see how it will work out... And f***ng complaining equipment... this really funny...
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4/23/2006  11:02 PM
All we asked Brown to do was coach the team and teach the young players. All he had to do was lay low in the 1st year and get them into the playoffs. Did we need him to tell us how dumb our players were or how poor their fundementals were? I think we all knew that already. JUST COACH THE DAMN TEAM LARRY! That's all we wanted. We knew this wasn't the Pistons, so why act so shocked and appalled by the fact that this team wasn't great like your last team? I was hoping that he would look to establish some consistency, but he NEVER did that. This is what I blame him for the most. He acted like the young players had the plague, when in fact they showed the most ability to play his game. He should have put up with their mistakes and we would've benefited from whhat the DID do right. The young guys effort and hustle, which often got us back in the game. For much of the year our bench outscored our starters, so what does that tell you? It tells me that he was starting the wrong guys!!!

LB was a FOOL to change our starting backcourt. Q SUCKED and he destroyed Jamal's confidence until the very end of the season, when he finally got it back. He should've started Steph and Jamal, since they at least had some chemistry from the year before. We had too many new players and a new system too. The smart thing would be to at least use the little chemistry you did have to help things along. Last year Steph and Jamal avg'd 40ppg and 12 asts. We didn't need to change that. We just needed to have them work harder on D.
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