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holfresh
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4/21/2006  8:05 PM
Posted by McK1:

how much longterm salary ie money past Houston has Isiah added holfresh?



Alan's contract comes off in 2007...If the Knicks did nothing and added no one they would have been under the cap in 2007...With Isiah's trades he added two more years beyond H20...of which you can trade players in the last year of their contracts so maybe one year if you are a good GM...But with Dolan the Knicks will never tank it for a few seasons to get under the cap...It will never happen...

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4/21/2006  10:14 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:

how much longterm salary ie money past Houston has Isiah added holfresh?



Alan's contract comes off in 2007...If the Knicks did nothing and added no one they would have been under the cap in 2007...With Isiah's trades he added two more years beyond H20...of which you can trade players in the last year of their contracts so maybe one year if you are a good GM...But with Dolan the Knicks will never tank it for a few seasons to get under the cap...It will never happen...

Allan's contract comes off this yr since he retired before the season.. under the new CBA, because of the injury, knicks can remove the 20mm of the books.. Insurance company paying the knicks 85 % of the remaining contract.

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4/21/2006  10:16 PM
Kiki is a conservative GM. He has done nothing that showed savy and insight. He is afraid to take a gamble and plays everything safe. K-mart is a must sign player if he is healthy.

So whatever. I trust isiah as far as the draft and as far as making trades happen. Isiah got balls and always leaves something to work with. He always has left all options open. Knicks are in position to cut cap and still make starphuching moves and draft/pick up guys dandling around.

Who I don't trust is Larry brown.
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4/21/2006  10:17 PM
Kiki is a former knick and his dad use to be play for the knicks too..

Nuggets won their division and kiki was responsible for the hiring of george karl, a find coach especially with defense..

HEy he's way better than isiah...
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4/21/2006  10:48 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Kiki is a conservative GM. He has done nothing that showed savy and insight. He is afraid to take a gamble and plays everything safe. K-mart is a must sign player if he is healthy.

So whatever. I trust isiah as far as the draft and as far as making trades happen. Isiah got balls and always leaves something to work with. He always has left all options open. Knicks are in position to cut cap and still make starphuching moves and draft/pick up guys dandling around.

Who I don't trust is Larry brown.


What in the **** are you talkin about??????

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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4/21/2006  11:02 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:

how much longterm salary ie money past Houston has Isiah added holfresh?



Alan's contract comes off in 2007...If the Knicks did nothing and added no one they would have been under the cap in 2007...With Isiah's trades he added two more years beyond H20...of which you can trade players in the last year of their contracts so maybe one year if you are a good GM...But with Dolan the Knicks will never tank it for a few seasons to get under the cap...It will never happen...

Allan's contract comes off this yr since he retired before the season.. under the new CBA, because of the injury, knicks can remove the 20mm of the books.. Insurance company paying the knicks 85 % of the remaining contract.



You have no idea what you are talking about...The money is paid by the insurance company which is correct and the Knicks are spared the luxury tax but the full salary counts towards the salary cap....If your scenario was correct then alot of teams out have the option of deep sixing guys with big salary to get under the cap...The real savings is in the luxary tax and nothing else....Full salary still counts...


Alan is here till 2007.....



[Edited by - holfresh on 04-21-2006 11:03 PM]
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4/21/2006  11:14 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by EnySpree:

Kiki is a conservative GM. He has done nothing that showed savy and insight. He is afraid to take a gamble and plays everything safe. K-mart is a must sign player if he is healthy.

So whatever. I trust isiah as far as the draft and as far as making trades happen. Isiah got balls and always leaves something to work with. He always has left all options open. Knicks are in position to cut cap and still make starphuching moves and draft/pick up guys dandling around.

Who I don't trust is Larry brown.


What in the **** are you talkin about??????


Save that type of comment for a Larry brown or stephon marbury press confernce.
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4/21/2006  11:41 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:

how much longterm salary ie money past Houston has Isiah added holfresh?



Alan's contract comes off in 2007...If the Knicks did nothing and added no one they would have been under the cap in 2007...With Isiah's trades he added two more years beyond H20...of which you can trade players in the last year of their contracts so maybe one year if you are a good GM...But with Dolan the Knicks will never tank it for a few seasons to get under the cap...It will never happen...

Allan's contract comes off this yr since he retired before the season.. under the new CBA, because of the injury, knicks can remove the 20mm of the books.. Insurance company paying the knicks 85 % of the remaining contract.



You have no idea what you are talking about...The money is paid by the insurance company which is correct and the Knicks are spared the luxury tax but the full salary counts towards the salary cap....If your scenario was correct then alot of teams out have the option of deep sixing guys with big salary to get under the cap...The real savings is in the luxary tax and nothing else....Full salary still counts...


Alan is here till 2007.....


[Edited by - holfresh on 04-21-2006 11:03 PM]
im talking about the new CBA agreement!! You do remember both sides agreeing to this , do you??? if you have an injured player who was force into retirement because of the injury, that player's remaining contract is completely remove from the payroll after a yr.. I don't know what im talking about right??? well read this, my brother holyfresh!

Players agreed to reduce the number of guaranteed contract years for rookie first-round draft picks from three to two.


All salary cap exceptions from the prior deal will remain, and several rules that made trades difficult have been relaxed. Previously, the salaries of players being traded for one another had to be within 115 percent of one another, plus $100,000. That first number has been increased to 125 percent.


A variety of regulations have been eased regarding restricted free agents, players falling under so-called base-year compensation rules, and the amount of time players with career-ending injuries will continue to count against a team's salary cap -- one year instead of two.

So allan retires right before the season nov 2005, he comes off nov 2006, not 2007, my brother!!


[Edited by - woodmannyk on 04-21-2006 11:48 PM]

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 04-21-2006 11:49 PM]
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4/22/2006  12:09 AM
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If it is Kiki I am for it, he did a damn good job of turning the Nuggets around. Is Kmarts physical problems his fault?

actually Dumars did a good job turning the nuggets down by drafting Darko and letting melo slip to the nuggets.... He actually helped the nuggs and Heat....
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4/22/2006  12:26 AM
Kiki's team wins in the west, while maintaining cap flexibility. IT's team is the worst in the lieastern conference, while having 0 financial flexibiltiy. Sure Kiki sucks, and IT is the man.

If they are actually hiring Kicky this might mean a total blowup. Cause that is his philosophy, at least that is what he did in Denver. If you remember he had a team with Nick the Quick, LaFrentz, and Dyess. And some other crap. He blew it up and reuilt. Worked out well for them.

Ofcourse we haver 100 times the mess they had in Denver back then. But hey I bet he'll get paid 100 times more, too. And it will take longer ofcousre. At leat we'll have a direction.
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4/22/2006  12:59 AM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:

how much longterm salary ie money past Houston has Isiah added holfresh?



Alan's contract comes off in 2007...If the Knicks did nothing and added no one they would have been under the cap in 2007...With Isiah's trades he added two more years beyond H20...of which you can trade players in the last year of their contracts so maybe one year if you are a good GM...But with Dolan the Knicks will never tank it for a few seasons to get under the cap...It will never happen...

Allan's contract comes off this yr since he retired before the season.. under the new CBA, because of the injury, knicks can remove the 20mm of the books.. Insurance company paying the knicks 85 % of the remaining contract.



You have no idea what you are talking about...The money is paid by the insurance company which is correct and the Knicks are spared the luxury tax but the full salary counts towards the salary cap....If your scenario was correct then alot of teams out have the option of deep sixing guys with big salary to get under the cap...The real savings is in the luxary tax and nothing else....Full salary still counts...


Alan is here till 2007.....


[Edited by - holfresh on 04-21-2006 11:03 PM]
im talking about the new CBA agreement!! You do remember both sides agreeing to this , do you??? if you have an injured player who was force into retirement because of the injury, that player's remaining contract is completely remove from the payroll after a yr.. I don't know what im talking about right??? well read this, my brother holyfresh!

Players agreed to reduce the number of guaranteed contract years for rookie first-round draft picks from three to two.


All salary cap exceptions from the prior deal will remain, and several rules that made trades difficult have been relaxed. Previously, the salaries of players being traded for one another had to be within 115 percent of one another, plus $100,000. That first number has been increased to 125 percent.


A variety of regulations have been eased regarding restricted free agents, players falling under so-called base-year compensation rules, and the amount of time players with career-ending injuries will continue to count against a team's salary cap -- one year instead of two.

So allan retires right before the season nov 2005, he comes off nov 2006, not 2007, my brother!!


[Edited by - woodmannyk on 04-21-2006 11:48 PM]

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 04-21-2006 11:49 PM]


CLEVELAND - Retired former Knick Allan Houston joined the team here yesterday to help out Larry Brown, but he sounded more intrigued about playing again than coaching.

Houston, who retired during training camp because of arthritic knees, said he's unsure he wants to get involved in coaching because it's "time-consuming." However, Houston said for the first time he wasn't closing the door to a return, however unlikely.

Houston, with his medical retirement, wouldn't be able to play again until his contract expires after next season, when he will be 36. Houston said his knees feel better and he would play for the minimum.

"Don't think it's something I haven't thought about," said Houston, who is more likely to join the front office.

Brown hinted he'd like to see Houston join the coaching family next season.

"We're trying to have him around, slowly working himself in," Brown said. "The more older guys we get back here, the better."
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4/22/2006  2:41 AM
holyfresh, i think you're very confused.. did u read my post?? what the H$LL does allan paying a visit has to do with what we're talking about..

I don't think you even know what you're talking about..

As long as the Knicks decide to exercise that injury -ending stipulation, Allan cannot come back to the NBA after 2007 but the rest of his $$ will be removed from the payroll.


[Edited by - woodmannyk on 04-22-2006 02:59 AM]
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4/22/2006  3:07 AM
Posted by McK1:

Kiki has something Isiah lacks - PATIENCE.

And his ability to deal for players is top notch

http://www.hoopshype.com/general_managers/kiki_vandeweghe.htm

But he's never had to work for the Village Idiot, aka Little Dolan. Patience is deleted from the vocabulary of anyone who does.
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4/22/2006  3:30 AM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by McK1:

Kiki has something Isiah lacks - PATIENCE.

And his ability to deal for players is top notch

http://www.hoopshype.com/general_managers/kiki_vandeweghe.htm

But he's never had to work for the Village Idiot, aka Little Dolan. Patience is deleted from the vocabulary of anyone who does.

true. what I'm referencing though is the need for Isia to do somehing. The Miles interview for instance, it seems Isiah just had to do something with th expiring. The player he wanted wasn' there so he traded for steve Francis. contract as asetts has to be the most impatient team-building model ever. every year in this philosophy he has had to do something and that something isn't even Layden redux anymore its worse.
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4/22/2006  3:42 AM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by EnySpree:

Kiki is a conservative GM. He has done nothing that showed savy and insight. He is afraid to take a gamble and plays everything safe. K-mart is a must sign player if he is healthy.

So whatever. I trust isiah as far as the draft and as far as making trades happen. Isiah got balls and always leaves something to work with. He always has left all options open. Knicks are in position to cut cap and still make starphuching moves and draft/pick up guys dandling around.

Who I don't trust is Larry brown.


What in the **** are you talkin about??????

Scotty doesn't know! Scotty doesn't knoooooow!!!! Scotty doesn't know!

anyway he flipped Watson for Ruben Patterson and Evans. thats playing it safe?

he traded for Rodney White and then was able to move him for a future first rounder. Yeah nothing savvy about that.

Any dummy with an unlimited amount of financia resource can say give me all your bad or unwanted seeds making gross amounts of money. It looks goodon paper because of the names involved. Then you look at the team and you've about 9 roster spots dedicated to guys who play the same 2 positions and 12 of the 15 - all they wannna do is shoot. Real spaz of genious that Isiah is.
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