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Nalod
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And vote. No ifs and buts, just time to take a side. Forget money, forget trade value, forget insurance policies, forget bladders, forget being a "seasonist", and forget history. No "Star" and no "Next Town". Just 2007 season. Going forward you have one choice:
Larry Brown
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McK1
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4/19/2006  7:47 AM
bye Steph
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
AUTOADVERT
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4/19/2006  7:52 AM
make mine 39...

It would be nice if they could cuddle and work it out it certainly doesnt seem to be path
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Nalod
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4/19/2006  9:12 AM
Posted by fishmike:

make mine 39...

It would be nice if they could cuddle and work it out it certainly doesnt seem to be path


That would be a great story.

I also hope we can get some truth out of what is going on with this team. Other than Larry and Steph, were really have little to go on. Isiah, even when he speaks is not really trustworthy. Its spun to look good.
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4/19/2006  10:00 AM
i, of course, voted for pedro.



i think lb realized back in training camp that this team wouldn't win anything significant this season...thus he coached accordingly. he wasn't concerned with wins. now, i can understand why that makes so many people upset here...and it is lb's biggest knock. you're supposed to play to win. you're supposed to coach to win. but i think lb sees this, as he sees almost every other stop (sans detroit) as a rebuild project. in an interview earlier in the year, he said it was a 3 year plan and in his plan, the first year usually means the worst one record wise. that's his history. dolan, isiah, and garden officials must be pissed b/c they invested alot of money on the team and expected more wins. they didn't get it. fans are pissed b/c we expected more wins, but we didn't get it. the players are pissed b/c they expected more wins and they didn't get it. so everyone is pissed and a big target is lb. which is fine...and justifiable.

but i don't think lb sugarcoated anything. i think he let isiah and dolan know EXACTLY what he was going to do this year. they meet weekly so they know what he's doing...to the point where they BACKED him to the team. that's unprecedented here. now lb was too candid with the press. he said exactly what's on his mind and it ruffled feathers. he didn't handle it well and that's where isiah should've come in and put a gag order on them. maybe he did, maybe he didn't...but chances are he didn't b/c he went into hiding. the anucha thing didn't help anything either.

and along the way, a mutiny took place. if the best player challenges the coach about ON COURT play, then the team will splinter and never have any chemistry. that is the major reason why this season disintegrated. two VERY stubborn people not coming to an understanding.

back to the original point, i know i'm in the minority here but i am OK with us not winning this year b/c i'm looking big picture. i see no way that lb is NOT back next year. he can't walk away from this and his ego won't let him walk away. if he does, then we are really more messed up than we originally anticipated. the team will get players that listen to coach and you will see a better team next year. i don't know if it will result in wins but you will see more cohesion and players busting ass. it's a START and then you'll see them add and subtract to get the right mix of talent to win.

they're right, you really can't rebuild in nyc. 90% of the fanbase won't tolerate it.
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4/19/2006  10:05 AM
And 90% of the fan base will tolerate this continuing garbage?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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4/19/2006  10:10 AM
Posted by islesfan:

And 90% of the fan base will tolerate this continuing garbage?

we're seeing it by the sheer # of people blasting lb. at this point, all they care about now is that the team wins, REGARDLESS of how it's done. do you know how happy fans will be if we brought in a guy like lenny and let them run pick&rolls all day, on their way to 38-40 wins next year? that's what it's come down to, for the most part.

anybody asking for lb's head wouldn't have the patience for a rebuild...which is what we're about to go through - a FORCED rebuild of the organization's culture. alot of people are upset, including some in the organization about lb, and the papers have given it to him pretty bad over the past 2 months, including ESPN on a national stage. and you can't dispute them b/c they're point of view is justified. i don't agree with the anti-lb contingency tho.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-19-2006 10:11 AM]
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4/19/2006  10:24 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by islesfan:

And 90% of the fan base will tolerate this continuing garbage?

we're seeing it by the sheer # of people blasting lb. at this point, all they care about now is that the team wins, REGARDLESS of how it's done. do you know how happy fans will be if we brought in a guy like lenny and let them run pick&rolls all day, on their way to 38-40 wins next year? that's what it's come down to, for the most part.

anybody asking for lb's head wouldn't have the patience for a rebuild...which is what we're about to go through - a FORCED rebuild of the organization's culture. alot of people are upset, including some in the organization about lb, and the papers have given it to him pretty bad over the past 2 months, including ESPN on a national stage. and you can't dispute them b/c they're point of view is justified. i don't agree with the anti-lb contingency tho.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-19-2006 10:11 AM]

But 80% of the people on this board picked LB over the teams "best" player. What does that tell you?

If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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4/19/2006  10:30 AM
20% are jackasses?
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by islesfan:

And 90% of the fan base will tolerate this continuing garbage?

we're seeing it by the sheer # of people blasting lb. at this point, all they care about now is that the team wins, REGARDLESS of how it's done. do you know how happy fans will be if we brought in a guy like lenny and let them run pick&rolls all day, on their way to 38-40 wins next year? that's what it's come down to, for the most part.

anybody asking for lb's head wouldn't have the patience for a rebuild...which is what we're about to go through - a FORCED rebuild of the organization's culture. alot of people are upset, including some in the organization about lb, and the papers have given it to him pretty bad over the past 2 months, including ESPN on a national stage. and you can't dispute them b/c they're point of view is justified. i don't agree with the anti-lb contingency tho.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-19-2006 10:11 AM]

But 80% of the people on this board picked LB over the teams "best" player. What does that tell you?

oh yeah, this poll is the way it should be. but from talking to people outside of this board, and hearing feedback from other season ticket holders, alot of people are upset with lb. make no mistake, the majority want steph gone, but alot are still pissed at lb as well. if this poll said: "lb, steph, or neither" - the neither may get quite a few votes.
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4/19/2006  10:37 AM
I'm not saying that they shouldn't be mad at LB too but I think when they get over their anger and can take a look at the situation objectively, they know that LB's way has a greater chance at success and we need to get rid of the players that are refusing to play his way... and the GM who acquired them.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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4/19/2006  10:59 AM
Neither is a predicatble response.

Just like any trade involving KG, Jermaine, Oh-Dumb and having Herb coach is seen as grass is greener kinda movement.

NOBODY should be happy with this year.

But I still can't think of a better coach IF we get the roster tweaked (aka: sans PoisenBury!)
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4/19/2006  1:44 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by islesfan:

And 90% of the fan base will tolerate this continuing garbage?

we're seeing it by the sheer # of people blasting lb. at this point, all they care about now is that the team wins[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-19-2006 10:11 AM]
Please. There are many grounds to criticize Brown on (which I have) that have nothing to do with this season's record.



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04-19-2006 1:45 PM]
Nalod
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4/19/2006  2:38 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by islesfan:

And 90% of the fan base will tolerate this continuing garbage?

we're seeing it by the sheer # of people blasting lb. at this point, all they care about now is that the team wins[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-19-2006 10:11 AM]
Please. There are many grounds to criticize Brown on (which I have) that have nothing to do with this season's record.



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04-19-2006 1:45 PM]

WTF does that mean? You don't like the way he chews his food when he talks?



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4/19/2006  3:16 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by islesfan:

And 90% of the fan base will tolerate this continuing garbage?

we're seeing it by the sheer # of people blasting lb. at this point, all they care about now is that the team wins[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-19-2006 10:11 AM]
Please. There are many grounds to criticize Brown on (which I have) that have nothing to do with this season's record.



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04-19-2006 1:45 PM]

WTF does that mean? You don't like the way he chews his food when he talks?
I guess you haven't read any of my posts. I've written a lot on how I wish he had played the hard working players and benched the lazy ones. He finally began to figure it out, but several months after a ten year old would have.



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04-19-2006 3:17 PM]
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4/19/2006  3:45 PM
You gotta get rid of Brown. Up until this year, things were going pretty good for the Knicks - Marbury was firmly in control, getting players he didn't like traded, and coaches he didn't like fired.

Then Larry Brown came along, acting like he's in charge or something. He challenged
Marbury's authority, and kept him from being Starbury.

Hopefully the Knicks will find a way to get rid of Brown, and re-establish Marbury's authority.
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4/19/2006  3:57 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

You gotta get rid of Brown. Up until this year, things were going pretty good for the Knicks - Marbury was firmly in control, getting players he didn't like traded, and coaches he didn't like fired.

Then Larry Brown came along, acting like he's in charge or something. He challenged
Marbury's authority, and kept him from being Starbury.

Hopefully the Knicks will find a way to get rid of Brown, and re-establish Marbury's authority.

I agree. I harken back to the days of mediocrity. Viva la Marbury!!!

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Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:

You gotta get rid of Brown. Up until this year, things were going pretty good for the Knicks - Marbury was firmly in control, getting players he didn't like traded, and coaches he didn't like fired.

Then Larry Brown came along, acting like he's in charge or something. He challenged
Marbury's authority, and kept him from being Starbury.

Hopefully the Knicks will find a way to get rid of Brown, and re-establish Marbury's authority.

I agree. I harken back to the days of mediocrity. Viva la Marbury!!!



And our win total declined......Hmmmmm...
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It had to happen, you just haven't realized it. You still seem to think we could keep going the way we were going and just add a player or a coach here or there and everything would sooner or later turn around. Well that's how managements been working and that's why we are where we are.

Sooner or later it had to be torn down. An implosion was going to occur on someone's watch. I've called it since 1999, so I guess that's why I'm not surprised.
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4/19/2006  10:09 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

You gotta get rid of Brown. Up until this year, things were going pretty good for the Knicks - Marbury was firmly in control, getting players he didn't like traded, and coaches he didn't like fired.

Then Larry Brown came along, acting like he's in charge or something. He challenged
Marbury's authority, and kept him from being Starbury.

Hopefully the Knicks will find a way to get rid of Brown, and re-establish Marbury's authority.

as head coach larry brown is the authority not starbury. and because larry brown's record is that good, to a degree, larry brown is held more accountable than starbury. it was suppose to be larry brown's motivation that would bring steph to a different level. instead, larry lamed this season while starbury turned stiffbury.

to separate coach and player at this stage, based on this season would be too easy. and is exactly what 1 of the 2 may be hoping for as the easy way out.

and since it takes 2 to tango. you either get rid of them or keep them. they owe every knick fan a reversal from this season to a marked improvement next season.

sorry nalod, your poll is incomplete

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4/19/2006  10:57 PM
Posted by Bobby:


as head coach larry brown is the authority not starbury.

Well, there's your problem right there. We need to put the power and authority back where it belongs - in Marbury's capable hands.

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