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Pharzeone
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4/14/2006  10:24 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
I give Marbury credit he made serious attempts to play Brown way but on the other hand Brown made no attempts to adapt to Marbury

i'm not sure that 100% true. with those reports of him rolling his eyes at brown in training camp, to all those quotes blue posted a while back about steph saying "the hardest 10 assists ever" and "i want to be sg" and all that jazz, i don't think steph seriously bought in from day one. dude said he didn't care about #'s if they won, but if they lost he wouldn't be happy. is that making a serious attempt?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-14-2006 10:17 AM]

If Brown really told him that if he ever coach him, he would play him at the 2 spot, then I would understand if Marbury says yeah I want to play the SG. So it is a matter of if Brown keeps his word. I think Ewing said the same thing to Nelson, about getting the ball less, if said if it produces wins, I all for it. I remember that quote well. It makes sense, but I see both their points, if it doesn't produce wins, wait I am still getting blame while we are playing your "team concept" because guys like Nalod said I am an overpriced Diva. Well if I am going to get blame, why should I go down with my guns in my holster.
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4/14/2006  10:43 AM
Phar = Star?

I think the blame game is way out of hand. I don't like anyone talking to the press, but its a necessary evil in todays sporting/entertainment world.

I don't think not putting forth the effort to play defense is "defensable".

The whole war of words started when marbs bitched about having more freedom.

What I see is Marbs not ever trying for a rebound, nor trying to distriubte in transition, nor getting back on defense on a regular basis.

Overpriced Divas think they can get by on talent alone and the world should cater to their every whim. And in Stephs world, thats how it has been.

One must choose: Being a Steph fan, or a knick fan?

Team comes first.

In my book, Marbs is welcome to stay a knick. If he wants to. But it comes at a price.
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4/14/2006  11:04 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Phar = Star?

I think the blame game is way out of hand. I don't like anyone talking to the press, but its a necessary evil in todays sporting/entertainment world.

I don't think not putting forth the effort to play defense is "defensable".

The whole war of words started when marbs bitched about having more freedom.

What I see is Marbs not ever trying for a rebound, nor trying to distriubte in transition, nor getting back on defense on a regular basis.

Overpriced Divas think they can get by on talent alone and the world should cater to their every whim. And in Stephs world, thats how it has been.

One must choose: Being a Steph fan, or a knick fan?

Team comes first.

In my book, Marbs is welcome to stay a knick. If he wants to. But it comes at a price.

LOL, no. I really don't care if Marbury stays or leaves. Personally I wouldn't mind if he leaves to clear cap room. I wouldn't mind if Brown stays or leave, same with Isiah. To me it is a bigger issue about winning in NY and with current labor restrictions. My only issue is that some of these guys like Marbury take hits for items not in their control. The biggest criticism of Larry Brown is that he takes credit but never blame. He hasn't let down his critics this season. Brown says that he is playing the young guys because they are working hard, but when a reporter asked why didn't you play them more during the season. Brown went nuts over that question because it backs him into a corner where he has to take blame. Marbury can take criticism and being used as a scapegoat. Brown can't, he gets mad and moves on. I guess it comes down to me is that who do I actually believe want to see the Knicks win.
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4/14/2006  11:29 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Whatever Marbs has to say it's too late. He should have revolted way back in december. Now Brown is just gonna make him look like a selfish bastard like he already has been doing.

let me get this straight... this moron comes out in the papers & says stuff like he doesn't care what the coach says, he's gonna play the way HE wants to play, like some ridiculous made up self-glorified "Starbury" persona that he seems to think he needs to live up to, & in your mind it's LB that's making Marbury look like a selfish bastard? you're kidding me, right?
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oh joy... another season of 20 & 8 while "leading" his team to a mediocre record w/no hopes of progressing deep into the playoffs... i'm sure every Knick fan out there is jumping for joy at the thought of that.

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[Edited by - TMS on 04-14-2006 11:31 AM]
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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4/14/2006  11:37 AM
The blame game continues, there has to be a reason for this season. After constant finger pointing at each other our heroes Statbury and Old School LB, finally put their heads together and uncover the true villian. Should have known, he is to blame for all that is bad. Just how diabolical is this man who seems to be quite "happy" with himself and what he did to our beloved Knicks, maybe too "happy"

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4/14/2006  11:59 AM
Fuck Stephon Marbury. I was a huge supporter of his trade to come to New York. I figured, Marbury has a horrible reputation and now he's getting traded to his hometown where he can repair that reputation and lead the Knicks to the promised land. Fast forward 2.5 years and look where we are.. Stephon Marbury continues to act like the baby he is and does what he has done at every stop he's been at; bitch and moan until he gets things his way which is 20&8. Stephon Marbury has had a extremely unproductive basketball career, the NBA regular season means absolutely nothing and Marbury has done nothing but perform in the regular season. If the Knicks still have Marbury and he goes back to playing like 'Starbury' then the New York Knicks and New York Knick fans are in extreme trouble. The thought of another season where the Knicks miss the playoffs becuase they don't want to listen to the coach, who has a better track-record the players on the team combined, is devastating to me.

All of this becuase of one cancer on the team who is ruining it for millions of Knicks fans.
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4/14/2006  1:18 PM
I hope the Knicks can find a way to trade Marbury, I'm really getting sick of him. They can replace the coach too, but please get Marbury outta here!
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4/14/2006  1:51 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I hope the Knicks can find a way to trade Marbury, I'm really getting sick of him. They can replace the coach too, but please get Marbury outta here!

That's about where I am on this whole thing. Marbury, Francis, Q Rich, Thomas, Brown, Mills, Dolan could take a hike. I tired of this stuff. Hell I throw in Breen and Smith too. I have issues with all these guys. Defended all of them except for Francis.
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4/14/2006  1:59 PM
It's not his numbers it's his attitude. This is tough to defend.
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4/14/2006  2:04 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Phar = Star?

I think the blame game is way out of hand. I don't like anyone talking to the press, but its a necessary evil in todays sporting/entertainment world.

I don't think not putting forth the effort to play defense is "defensable".

The whole war of words started when marbs bitched about having more freedom.

What I see is Marbs not ever trying for a rebound, nor trying to distriubte in transition, nor getting back on defense on a regular basis.

Overpriced Divas think they can get by on talent alone and the world should cater to their every whim. And in Stephs world, thats how it has been.

One must choose: Being a Steph fan, or a knick fan?

Team comes first.

In my book, Marbs is welcome to stay a knick. If he wants to. But it comes at a price.



Do you really think the blame game is way out of hand...You are one of those guys blaming Marbs for the bad season....Everyone blames Marbs for the bad season...When Brown gets on his soapbox for his next sermon and blames the world for the bad season, no one says anything...they all agree, but lets Marbs do that, its a huge problem....Fact is this, Marbury gets the overall blame for this season in the press...and as long as the blame game continues that way, no one says anything...The fact that Marbury will try to defend hismself doesn't bother me one bit, I'm kind of looking forward to it...

And Please, I choose to be a Knick fan first and a Marbs fan as well...If you ask me the guy who has done the most damage to this group this year has been Larry Brown...None of this help the Knicks overall...What Marbs is doing right now hurts the Knicks as an organization..I get that...But I hope you guys get just a pissed when Larry does the same in the press and burries the team...You guys all seems to think its a good thing when Larry does it...When Larry calls the team stupid in the press and guarantees them not playing hard for him, you all dismiss it and say the players don't really care, Larry is never held accountable, amazing....
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4/14/2006  2:25 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Nalod:

Phar = Star?

I think the blame game is way out of hand. I don't like anyone talking to the press, but its a necessary evil in todays sporting/entertainment world.

I don't think not putting forth the effort to play defense is "defensable".

The whole war of words started when marbs bitched about having more freedom.

What I see is Marbs not ever trying for a rebound, nor trying to distriubte in transition, nor getting back on defense on a regular basis.

Overpriced Divas think they can get by on talent alone and the world should cater to their every whim. And in Stephs world, thats how it has been.

One must choose: Being a Steph fan, or a knick fan?

Team comes first.

In my book, Marbs is welcome to stay a knick. If he wants to. But it comes at a price.



Do you really think the blame game is way out of hand...You are one of those guys blaming Marbs for the bad season....Everyone blames Marbs for the bad season...When Brown gets on his soapbox for his next sermon and blames the world for the bad season, no one says anything...they all agree, but lets Marbs do that, its a huge problem....Fact is this, Marbury gets the overall blame for this season in the press...and as long as the blame game continues that way, no one says anything...The fact that Marbury will try to defend hismself doesn't bother me one bit, I'm kind of looking forward to it...

And Please, I choose to be a Knick fan first and a Marbs fan as well...If you ask me the guy who has done the most damage to this group this year has been Larry Brown...None of this help the Knicks overall...What Marbs is doing right now hurts the Knicks as an organization..I get that...But I hope you guys get just a pissed when Larry does the same in the press and burries the team...You guys all seems to think its a good thing when Larry does it...When Larry calls the team stupid in the press and guarantees them not playing hard for him, you all dismiss it and say the players don't really care, Larry is never held accountable, amazing....


Have you read the papers or the posts? I've seen articles and posts (besides youres) that blamed LB.

I just think most people figure LB has a track to stand on and Marbs doesn't.
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4/14/2006  2:58 PM
I think they both get blasted.
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4/14/2006  3:18 PM
Posted by OldFan:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Nalod:

Phar = Star?

I think the blame game is way out of hand. I don't like anyone talking to the press, but its a necessary evil in todays sporting/entertainment world.

I don't think not putting forth the effort to play defense is "defensable".

The whole war of words started when marbs bitched about having more freedom.

What I see is Marbs not ever trying for a rebound, nor trying to distriubte in transition, nor getting back on defense on a regular basis.

Overpriced Divas think they can get by on talent alone and the world should cater to their every whim. And in Stephs world, thats how it has been.

One must choose: Being a Steph fan, or a knick fan?

Team comes first.

In my book, Marbs is welcome to stay a knick. If he wants to. But it comes at a price.



Do you really think the blame game is way out of hand...You are one of those guys blaming Marbs for the bad season....Everyone blames Marbs for the bad season...When Brown gets on his soapbox for his next sermon and blames the world for the bad season, no one says anything...they all agree, but lets Marbs do that, its a huge problem....Fact is this, Marbury gets the overall blame for this season in the press...and as long as the blame game continues that way, no one says anything...The fact that Marbury will try to defend hismself doesn't bother me one bit, I'm kind of looking forward to it...

And Please, I choose to be a Knick fan first and a Marbs fan as well...If you ask me the guy who has done the most damage to this group this year has been Larry Brown...None of this help the Knicks overall...What Marbs is doing right now hurts the Knicks as an organization..I get that...But I hope you guys get just a pissed when Larry does the same in the press and burries the team...You guys all seems to think its a good thing when Larry does it...When Larry calls the team stupid in the press and guarantees them not playing hard for him, you all dismiss it and say the players don't really care, Larry is never held accountable, amazing....


Have you read the papers or the posts? I've seen articles and posts (besides youres) that blamed LB.

I just think most people figure LB has a track to stand on and Marbs doesn't.



Thats what everyone says, Larry's track record does not absolve him of his responsibilites toward the outcome this season...I also think you would agree that most people here and everywhere blames Marbury.....
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4/14/2006  6:25 PM
I don't put all the blame on Marbury, but he sure aint helping.
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4/14/2006  6:49 PM
Thats what everyone says, Larry's track record does not absolve him of his responsibilites toward the outcome this season...I also think you would agree that most people here and everywhere blames Marbury.....

I agree everyone blames Marbury. But you keep saying no-one blames Larry which isn't true. Most people aren't saying LB did a good job this year. But yes - based on a 30 year career with a lot of success most people still think he has a chance to turn it around.


Marbs has not had the history of success.
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Posted by OldFan:
Thats what everyone says, Larry's track record does not absolve him of his responsibilites toward the outcome this season...I also think you would agree that most people here and everywhere blames Marbury.....

I agree everyone blames Marbury. But you keep saying no-one blames Larry which isn't true. Most people aren't saying LB did a good job this year. But yes - based on a 30 year career with a lot of success most people still think he has a chance to turn it around.


Marbs has not had the history of success.



I say this because the last Marbs blow-up made no mention of Larry being on the front end of that..No one is making a big deal of Larry first taking a shot at Marbury....

He should not get a pass because of his resume as you have suggested....Everyone should be held accountable for their actions...Because Larry has had a good career as a coach does not mean he can say certain things and not be held accountable....
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4/14/2006  10:26 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by OldFan:
Thats what everyone says, Larry's track record does not absolve him of his responsibilites toward the outcome this season...I also think you would agree that most people here and everywhere blames Marbury.....

I agree everyone blames Marbury. But you keep saying no-one blames Larry which isn't true. Most people aren't saying LB did a good job this year. But yes - based on a 30 year career with a lot of success most people still think he has a chance to turn it around.


Marbs has not had the history of success.



I say this because the last Marbs blow-up made no mention of Larry being on the front end of that..No one is making a big deal of Larry first taking a shot at Marbury....

He should not get a pass because of his resume as you have suggested....Everyone should be held accountable for their actions...Because Larry has had a good career as a coach does not mean he can say certain things and not be held accountable....


It's amazing that someone who is such a prolific writer - can't seem to read. NO matter how many times poeple say Brown does not get a free pass, you repeat what you think they said and argue with your own statement. I'll say it one last time - then you can continue to argue with yourself. LB does not get a free pass. But Larry's history of success does give him more credibility and going forward most people have more faith in LB then Marbs.

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Posted by OldFan:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by OldFan:
Thats what everyone says, Larry's track record does not absolve him of his responsibilites toward the outcome this season...I also think you would agree that most people here and everywhere blames Marbury.....

I agree everyone blames Marbury. But you keep saying no-one blames Larry which isn't true. Most people aren't saying LB did a good job this year. But yes - based on a 30 year career with a lot of success most people still think he has a chance to turn it around.


Marbs has not had the history of success.



I say this because the last Marbs blow-up made no mention of Larry being on the front end of that..No one is making a big deal of Larry first taking a shot at Marbury....

He should not get a pass because of his resume as you have suggested....Everyone should be held accountable for their actions...Because Larry has had a good career as a coach does not mean he can say certain things and not be held accountable....


It's amazing that someone who is such a prolific writer - can't seem to read. NO matter how many times poeple say Brown does not get a free pass, you repeat what you think they said and argue with your own statement. I'll say it one last time - then you can continue to argue with yourself. LB does not get a free pass. But Larry's history of success does give him more credibility and going forward most people have more faith in LB then Marbs.


You are taking it a bit literal...I do know that fingers do get pointed at Larry as well...I'm the Chairman of that Committee....When I say that Larry gets a pass, I mean it in a general consensus way....When people look at the Knicks, their first collective thought is that Marbs is the problem not Brown....That perception clearly exist because of Brown's resume and not his body of work this year...That is not right..Just like Larry is being judge by his resume, Marbs is being judged in the same manner...I thought that Brown had a bigger part in the Knicks being bad this year more than anyone else in the organization....The fact that everyone thinks that Brown is the most qualified to turn this thing around does not absolve him of the piss poor job he has done this year...He sucked really hard this year...He was trying to play Marbs at the two when he is clearly the best ball distributor on the team...He had Craw playing the one that took him an entire season to learn...And Craw still can't play the point...When he goes off lately it's because he reverts to the role of a two guard once the ball gets up court, he brings the ball up then run the plays of a two guard..I bet you Larry didn't think fans would notice that...Then he had Lee playing the 3 when he is really a 4...45 plus starting lines..guys starting in their home towns...Vets who should get no playing time eating up vaulable playing time for the rooks...Please, and you tell me trust this guy, he would lead us to the promise land because his resume says so, come on, bro...




[Edited by - holfresh on 04-14-2006 10:54 PM]
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4/14/2006  11:16 PM
what an idiot!! If you're the team captain, you should be discussing team, not about you...

ALso, one thing he should learn is if you're upset or frustrated, that's the time you don't talk to the media cause you tend to say things where people get it twist it or take it the wrong way..

This dude should learn to shut his mouth..
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4/15/2006  12:12 AM
Larry has been critical of many of the players.

Larry has been critical of the team when the press askes him WTF is going on.

Larry teaches fundamentals. The team does not do it. Who has the ball most of the time? Marbury.

Marbury wants more freedom. Complains. Larry bites back.

Larry can't find a line up he likes and says he sucked at doing it. Larry said he needs to do better. Marbury says next year its "starbury" time. marbury said its personal. Larry says its coaching.

In my mind, this season is not about Marbury, but Marbury complains the most. The press asks larry what he things, he speaks his mind. Larry does not make press conferences and whine, the press asks him things.

Larry has won. Starbury does not have a history of sacrifice his game for the good of his team.

So Larry gets a pass, yeah he does. Marbs gotta go. no pass.

Thats my opinion. If you don't like larry and his strong fundamental stance and prefer free wheeling self indulgent Starbury over good team ball thats cool. But I don't. Most of us prefer Marbury be an MVP candidate and quarterback of this team. He is twice the player Billups is, but half the heart.

I am really pissed that Marbury has deemed himself uncoachable and feels so offended this season that he is willing to extend this and see his way out of NY. Whats he gonna do, put a hit out on Larry?
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