I had to take some issue with this post MS, sorry to ruin the "we're all getting along" vibe but...

Posted by MS:

everyone agrees that Larry has been terrible this year, but look at whats out there

No defensive stopper, Q does not count because he has tried harder lets be real

I'll give you that, but Larry did bench one of our few good defenders and sent him to Orlando. And Matt Barnes was another "stopper" that he got rid of. Had Jerome come into camp in shape and he let Frye blossom as a shot blocker, maybe, but don't say we don't have anything to work with on defense. That's rubbish.

A turnover machine handling the ball, Crawford,Steph,Nate

Steph is not a turnover machine. Check the stats...try not to have your dislike for marbury personally cloud your posts, it's getting waaaay obvious and will soon relegate you to the "scoll over" post category...just saying.

No rebounding from your Center

No Shotblocking of any kind

combine these into two, jackie B is a good rebounder, as is lee, but they didn't get any minutes until NOW. But they have always been on the bench. ALso, given the minutes, I'm pretty sure Frye could contribute as well. But hey, what team has rebounding from their center that isn't an upper tier team. (stop bringing up teams that have been to the finals in the last 5 years...PLEASE

No one with a basketball IQ except maybe for Lee

once again, how many teams do have players with a basketball IQ...also, Malik Rose has a high basketball IQ as well as Lee. But you'd never know it from the rotations to start the season. You want the pistons, I'm giving you the hornets. To say they don't have as high a bball iq, is one thing, but to say no one has one, that's getting chippy. in today's nba, basketball IQ is measured differently...could you really say Iverson had a high basketball IQ when he was dissing jordan. Or Kobe when he was waving off Karl malone (the best pick and roll forward ever) in the all star game? Basketball IQ is overrated, if you want to say stupid, well, that's something else entirely

Gunners every where, no one willing to buy into a system and costantly give the effort that is needed, players with their own agenda....

I'd say they would be willing to buy into a DIFFERENT system. Something along the lines of Phoenix or Seattle. Just not wanted to buy into a Square peg round hole system. i.e. a shooting PG being forced to play like a passing PG (as opposed to just moving him to the 2 where his skill set fits the system to a T).

One of the worst GMS in the entire league constantly making stupid ****ing moves Rose, James, Francis to just name this years, filling up the roster with rotation players that creates dissension in the locker room because of lack of playing time....

A clueless owner

So frankly its all Dolans fault first for allowing steve mills to have a job and bring in two incompetant GM's and signing off on all these big money deals....

Not sure what to make of the last couple of sentences...pure madness, Eff bombs and finger pointing. so I won't even address that.

And SAS is a fault for yelling all the time and not having a clue, ala praising the Eddy Curry deal all the time

hey that was funny, but the curry deal was a good move...IF he shows up in shape next year, it's a great deal, when crawford spent his first year in New York it was the same thing "he's getting $7 mill, that's rubbish, bad signing, blah blah" a year later he's team MVP and he spent the majority of the year as the 6th man (and at times the 7th man). I know they are impatient in new york, and maybe following LB's lead by trashing every move and player on the team is your way of practicing patience, but come on man.

Once again, I think you are still attempting to give NO BLAME TO BROWN when in actuality, he's just as much to blame as everybody else.

So, please don't attempt to placate me by saying "it's brown's fault but" and then give an essay on how it's not his fault.

It'd be more like you to just say it's not brown's fault at all...easier and less to read and dissect.


[Edited by - rvhoss on 04-12-2006 4:17 PM]

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by gunsnewing:

well I'm pretty sure everyone here wants to win a championship. So this organization better start bringing in championship calibur players.

Can't agree with you more but if the question was what it takes to win games, all I am saying that all these cries for more defense is overplayed. Loosen up the 3 point restrictions that Brown placed on his team. Fast break more, instead of walking up the ball. Allow current lineups to adjust to games without making gut changes. Institute a training program to help players improve stamina (See Pat Riley), adjust style of defense from zone to man to man depending on your opposition (use those scouting reports).

some really good points there but I disagree with loosening up the 3pt restrictions since no one on this team can shoot and in order to run you have to play defense. you need better defensive players

I disagree, the phoenix suns and dallas mavericks run AFTER made baskets. So to regurgitate Brown's quote that defense leads to fast breaks and turning it into ALL fast breaks are created by defense is where I disagree. Even the pistons run after makes sometimes, you can run after a made basket.

hey, that was LB's player.

Posted by rvhoss:

hey, that was LB's player.

I don't know..last time I checked Isiah was the GM...at least in the beginning of the year he was

As far as the Nets go, I was refering to fact that while they excel at producing turnovers, they couldn't stop teams from scoring in the half court. I think it was something that was commonly talk about with them as far as giving up too many points in games.

Posted by Pharzeone:

As far as the Nets go, I was refering to fact that while they excel at producing turnovers, they couldn't stop teams from scoring in the half court. I think it was something that was commonly talk about with them as far as giving up too many points in games.

I think thats a myth. Unless they were referring to stopping The Lakers with Shaq and The Spurs with Duncan. I remember them owning Indiana & Boston

Isiah signed Barnes. Larry gave him a chance to play but it was obvious he wasn't good enough so he was cut. He's no defensive stopper

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Isiah signed Barnes. Larry gave him a chance to play but it was obvious he wasn't good enough so he was cut. He's no defensive stopper

Thomas invited him to Knicks camp for open roster space. Coaches have final say on which player makes that roster. Is and has always been the case in any sport. Just go back in this forum for proof or see other sports training camps about this.

ur right but still ryhoss said larry brown had a defensive stopper in matt barnes and waived him. I think its safe to say it was because he sucks

Reezys job to lose.

He lost it.

no doubt

I'm just hoping everyone decides that drawing a line in the sand didn't work. that's it's time for everyone to come to the table and make concessions. If everyone does that, and makes happy, I see no reason why Jalen, Franchise and Starbury can't peacefully coexist with LB AND the Utes (crawdaddy, curry, frye, lee, jackieB, Q2, etc.)

I think Nate's gone, even though everyone loves him, but that's assuming we keep the names.

I'm not down with getting rid of our best player for a one dimension passing guard...LB must Adapt.