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4/11/2006  10:25 PM
Posted by McK1:

maybe we shouldn't have

don't compound the mistake by trying to squeeze water from a rock(head)

[Edited by - McK1 on 04-11-2006 10:16 PM]



But he is still our best option....what mistake are we compounding...He has been on this roster for a year and we still don't know what we have...This guys development more than any other player on this roster will determine whether or not the Knicks can turn things around...Why is it difficult to give this guy the minutes he needs to see if he can get the job done....It's not like Jackie Brown is some monster player in waiting....

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4/11/2006  10:32 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:

maybe we shouldn't have

don't compound the mistake by trying to squeeze water from a rock(head)

[Edited by - McK1 on 04-11-2006 10:16 PM]



But he is still our best option....what mistake are we compounding...He has been on this roster for a year and we still don't know what we have...This guys development more than any other player on this roster will determine whether or not the Knicks can turn things around...Why is it difficult to give this guy the minutes he needs to see if he can get the job done....It's not like Jackie Brown is some monster player in waiting....

"I don't know what it feels like to be a cornerstone of a franchise," Curry said. "Maybe that's something I should ask Steph (Stephon Marbury) about. I feel like I'm definitely one of the key players."

from his own mouth

HE DOESN'T WANT THE CROWN

guy was taken fourth out of highschool, given every opportunity early on to be the man in Chicago and then traded for at the cost of a franchise player and this is his attitude

perhaps all Curry wants to do is score 13,14 points and grab 5, 6 rebounds.

[Edited by - McK1 on 04-11-2006 10:33 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 04-11-2006 10:37 PM]
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4/11/2006  10:56 PM
High School players has show they take a while to develop...What do we have to lose...We won 20 games all season...Next season don't look promising either...He may not want the crown but he wants minutes to see if he can wear the crown...Frankly I want to see if he can wear the crown too...
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4/11/2006  11:07 PM
Posted by holfresh:

He may not want the crown but he wants minutes to see if he can wear the crown...

so basically you are suggesting risk wasting another season in the hopes Curry can make Isiah not look like the biggest jackass in a suit in professional sports

[Edited by - McK1 on 04-11-2006 11:08 PM]
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4/11/2006  11:30 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:

He may not want the crown but he wants minutes to see if he can wear the crown...

so basically you are suggesting risk wasting another season in the hopes Curry can make Isiah not look like the biggest jackass in a suit in professional sports

[Edited by - McK1 on 04-11-2006 11:08 PM]



Well if Larry gave him the playing time this year we would know by now whether or not he is the player Isiah thought he traded for....U have a better plan?

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4/11/2006  11:39 PM
Posted by holfresh:




Well if Larry gave him the playing time this year we would know by now whether or not he is the player Isiah thought he traded for....


based on the Chicago years, this is the player Isiah traded for

U have a better plan?

yeah. see if Frye wants the crown. at least you can count on him to stay in shape.

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4/11/2006  11:44 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:

He may not want the crown but he wants minutes to see if he can wear the crown...

so basically you are suggesting risk wasting another season in the hopes Curry can make Isiah not look like the biggest jackass in a suit in professional sports

[Edited by - McK1 on 04-11-2006 11:08 PM]


Too late for that.
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4/11/2006  11:44 PM
Whether or not Frye wants the Crown has nothing to do with Curry's development at the center position...Frye is a power forward...They both can possibly give you 20 and 10 in the future but we won't be able to tell if they are on the bench will we...

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4/11/2006  11:54 PM
Posted by holfresh:

Whether or not Frye wants the Crown has nothing to do with Curry's development at the center position...Frye is a power forward...They both can possibly give you 20 and 10 in the future but we won't be able to tell if they are on the bench will we...


"I've been telling Isiah from Day 1, I think having a point guard and having a center who rebounds and defends are the two areas that I think are critical for any team."

what Larry Brown expects from the five.

it may end up being Curry vs Frye if Brown decides to move Frye back to the center spot.
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4/11/2006  11:58 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:

Whether or not Frye wants the Crown has nothing to do with Curry's development at the center position...Frye is a power forward...They both can possibly give you 20 and 10 in the future but we won't be able to tell if they are on the bench will we...


"I've been telling Isiah from Day 1, I think having a point guard and having a center who rebounds and defends are the two areas that I think are critical for any team."

what Larry Brown expects from the five.

it may end up being Curry vs Frye if Brown decides to move Frye back to the center spot.



Frye is barely strong enough to play the 4 spot in the NBA and now you have him elevated to the 5 spot...The guy has a decent outside shot and limited moves in the posts, so why would Larry want to do that...OOOOPPPPPSSSS....I see your point....



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4/12/2006  12:05 AM
Posted by holfresh:



Frye is barely strong enough to play the 4 spot in the NBA and now you have him elevated to the 5 spot...The guy has a decent outside shot and limited moves in the posts, so why would Larry want to do that...OOOOPPPPPSSSS....I see your point....




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why move Frye to the five? because he has slow feet.

Frye will spend the spring and part of the summer weight training in rehab of his leg. Not a huge stretch if LB has the training staff incorporate some workouts to strengthen his entire base.

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4/12/2006  12:24 AM


Curry for a stretch was shooting some insane percentage in the high 60's or even 70 percent...The Knicks still have not been getting the ball to him consistantly, nor has the coach demanded he get the ball...The coach does not give him the time he deserves...Even the game commentators for the Knicks have pointed this out time and time again...Now you guys are ready to give up on the guy without actually seeing if can be an all-star type player...We are not sure, we have seen some flashes, but he doesn't get the minutes..It's not like we have a better plan either....I'm at a loss here...I don't understand it....



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4/12/2006  12:46 AM


Here are some not so quick a foot PFs for you,

Tim Duncan
Jermaine Oneil
Weed Wallace
Dirk Nowinski
Gasol
Webber

PF is the position that best suits him at the moment..let's not try to reinvent the wheel...


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4/12/2006  7:49 AM
Posted by holfresh:



Here are some not so quick a foot PFs for you,

Tim Duncan
Jermaine Oneil
Weed Wallace
Dirk Nowinski
Gasol
Webber

PF is the position that best suits him at the moment..let's not try to reinvent the wheel...



do you read what you write before you write it. Look at your bleeping list. Its 1 thing to say misinformed dumb **** about players you were too young to ever see play but these guys ARE in the NBA.

C-Webb is the only 1 who qualifies as not so quick of foot ANYMORE and that is solely attributable to the bum knee.

the rest of your list, incredulous.

as for Curry's incredible field goal stretch - ALMOST ALL DUNKS. He doesn't have a post game where you can consistently throw the ball into him. If the guards aren't getting penetration - he sucks!


[Edited by - McK1 on 04-12-2006 07:50 AM]
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4/12/2006  9:13 AM
I'd prefer they go with the charlotte hornets lineup of LJ and Mourning with Curry Frye playing those parts.

Frye can block shots, once we add rebounding he's mourning.

Curry is basically an offensive weapon at this point. Just like Grand Mamma
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4/12/2006  9:15 AM
maybe the problem is that Curry and Frye's games are suited more like Riley uses Shaq, post and repost, where Larry likes ball movement more than feeding the post?

I don't know, but as it stands, Crawford is the only person that can seem to get the ball to curry where he wants it.
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4/12/2006  9:23 AM
Shaq can pass. He recorded a triple-double last night giving him almost as many assists in 1 game than Curry has all season.

Frye and Curry can't play those parts. they don't have the floor game, strength, athleticism, defense, and in Curry's case the HEART and PRIDE
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4/12/2006  9:36 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

maybe the problem is that Curry and Frye's games are suited more like Riley uses Shaq, post and repost, where Larry likes ball movement more than feeding the post?

I don't know, but as it stands, Crawford is the only person that can seem to get the ball to curry where he wants it.



Crawford particularly has a problem getting the ball in the post...not counting the alley hoops..

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4/12/2006  9:40 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:



Here are some not so quick a foot PFs for you,

Tim Duncan
Jermaine Oneil
Weed Wallace
Dirk Nowinski
Gasol
Webber

PF is the position that best suits him at the moment..let's not try to reinvent the wheel...



do you read what you write before you write it. Look at your bleeping list. Its 1 thing to say misinformed dumb **** about players you were too young to ever see play but these guys ARE in the NBA.

C-Webb is the only 1 who qualifies as not so quick of foot ANYMORE and that is solely attributable to the bum knee.

the rest of your list, incredulous.

as for Curry's incredible field goal stretch - ALMOST ALL DUNKS. He doesn't have a post game where you can consistently throw the ball into him. If the guards aren't getting penetration - he sucks!


[Edited by - McK1 on 04-12-2006 07:50 AM]



What, are you saying that Tim Duncan, Jermaine Oneil,Weed Wallace, Dirk and Gasol are all faster than Frye...you are on drugs......None of these guys are fast nor do they use speed to beat their opponents....

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When will Eddy go fourth? When he satisfies Brown

Curry must improve rebounding, 'D' to play more in final quarter

BY GREG LOGAN
Newsday Staff Writer

April 12, 2006

Is 23-year-old Eddy Curry still one of the Knicks' young kids, or is the 6-11 center a veteran whose upside is growing more limited as he nears the end of his fifth NBA season?

The answer to that question might go a long way toward determining what kind of upside the Knicks have in the near future.

Coach Larry Brown has labeled Curry "the franchise" while trying to build an inside-out attack around his skills in the low post, but he also has expressed frustration with Curry's lack of rebounding and shot-blocking.

Lately, that has translated into a number of fourth quarters spent on the bench for Curry, so when he got into the game for just under seven minutes in the final period of the Knicks' 101-82 loss Monday night in Indiana, it ranked as a small upset.

"Oh yeah, that was weird," Curry said, joking at his own expense. "He put me out there to see if I had anything left. I tried to play hard and make a difference and tried to take control of the game, but it was a little too late."

Curry wasn't laughing in the second quarter when he went in for 2:22 and then was pulled by Brown after giving up two straight offensive rebounds and committing a foul against Pacers backup center Jeff Foster. The look on Curry's face when he came to the bench was as close to anger as the mild-mannered player ever gets, and it took some words from veteran Malik Rose to calm him down.

Asked about the incident, Curry tried not to contribute to the controversy over playing time and roles that has dogged the Knicks this season. "Honestly, I'm not trying to get anything started," Curry said. "I'll continue to say that I'm going to go out there and play hard. I'd love to be out on the court more, but Coach has a plan for me."

Before the game, Brown reiterated his belief in the importance of Curry's development into a dominant inside presence.

"It's vital," Brown said, "because he has the tools. He's so athletic. I talk to him all the time about his priorities have got to be defense and rebounding and being a presence."

With the Knicks (22-55) long out of playoff contention, Brown has taken to giving 21-year-old Jackie Butler major fourth-quarter minutes at center. While Curry is in the first season of a seven-year contract worth $56 million, Butler is a minimum-salary player who went undrafted out of high school before Isiah Thomas signed him late last season.

Explaining his decision to bench Curry in favor of Butler in the fourth quarter of Sunday's win at Boston, Brown said, "I'm not down on Eddy Curry. I think Eddy Curry is a key to our team, just like all my young kids are keys to our team. But Jackie Butler is important.

"You lose all credibility if you take out a kid who's playing good. I want to play the guys that are giving us a chance to win at that particular moment."

In a season spent struggling to identify the Knicks' best assets, Brown can't be faulted for experimenting. But ultimately, he has to develop the center who can help the Knicks win the games that really count in the playoffs.

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