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Marv
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4/10/2006  1:49 PM
^ look at that middle eyebrow!

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4/10/2006  1:50 PM
Posted by Marv:

^ look at that middle eyebrow!

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4/10/2006  2:07 PM
Boston was 3 1/2 games out in a WEAK division and last I checked PP was still a star who's had monster playoff series.

Cle hasnt made the playoffs in eons and Indy is 1 game from falling to the 9th spot.

Tell them its garbage time and doesnt matter. Untrue.

Okay, here are the teams that have clinched the playoffs:

Detroit 62-15
Miami 50-27
New Jersey 47-29
Cleveland 46-30

And here are the 6 teams between Boston (32-35) and the number 8 spot:

Washington 39-37
Milwaukee 37-40
Indiana 36-40
Philadelphia 35-41
Chicago 35-41
Orlando 32-44

Not to mention Wally and Al Jefferson are out for the season. But keeping betting on the mathematical possibility Celtics to make the playoffs. Thank you, but I'll bet against it, I like safe bets.

If you want to hang your hat on that win, well I guess the standards of the Knicks fan is no longer what it once was.

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4/10/2006  2:16 PM
Larry Brown has ruined some great players this year. He's trashed our stars

I guess one of the big differences between us is that I don't take everything to extremes. I would be surprised if your prediction of the number of games this Knicks team would win this year was not more than my prediction. I would bet that you based your prediction on a greater talent level than last year, and the superior coaching abilities of Brown.

Now that the team has had a more abysmal season than anyone predicted, the Knick's players are worthless, a hopeless group of effortless retards, and Brown had no role or only a tiny in this mess; this is a 20+ win team no matter what he did.

I've been a fan long enogh to know that empty rationalization exists only to assuage the current pain, and only leads to greater depths of depression down the line.

oohah
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4/10/2006  2:17 PM
so what are you saying? They didnt play hard? That 3 games out with 10 to play isnt a shot? Who's hanging hats? All I said was the Bos, Cle and Indy all had plenty to play for. That doesnt = equal garbage time.
I guess the standards of the Knicks fan is no longer what it once was.
obviously its not, especially when people defend and make constant excuses for career losers with reps for soft play, poor work habits, quitting on coaches and being out of shape.

But its the coach
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4/10/2006  2:19 PM
Posted by oohah:
Larry Brown has ruined some great players this year. He's trashed our stars

I guess one of the big differences between us is that I don't take everything to extremes. I would be surprised if your prediction of the number of games this Knicks team would win this year was not more than my prediction. I would bet that you based your prediction on a greater talent level than last year, and the superior coaching abilities of Brown.

Now that the team has had a more abysmal season than anyone predicted, the Knick's players are worthless, a hopeless group of effortless retards, and Brown had no role or only a tiny in this mess; this is a 20+ win team no matter what he did.

I've been a fan long enogh to know that empty rationalization exists only to assuage the current pain, and only leads to greater depths of depression down the line.

oohah
And I've been a fan long enough to know when players quit and dont play hard for a guy thats won at every place he's ever been its time to get new players.

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4/10/2006  2:21 PM
Now that the team has had a more abysmal season than anyone predicted, the Knick's players are worthless, a hopeless group of effortless retards, and Brown had no role or only a tiny in this mess; this is a 20+ win team no matter what he did.
your words not mine. To me what sucks is that they didnt give it a chance. That they chose to quit on the guy that could take them where they hadnt been before, rather than do the hard work it takes to succeed on this level.
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4/10/2006  2:32 PM
But its the coach

Keep looking for one scapegoat and you will always be looking.
And I've been a fan long enough to know when players quit and dont play hard for a guy thats won at every place he's ever been its time to get new players.

I'm sure you will be ecstatic about next years 40 win range team.

your words not mine. To me what sucks is that they didnt give it a chance. That they chose to quit on the guy that could take them where they hadnt been before, rather than do the hard work it takes to succeed on this level.

Talk about hedging. I'll tell you what: The season was over long before anyone, you included, brought up the word "quit". It's just the latest extremist rationale and you can repeat it all you want.

I guess they are now they are no longer quitters since they won 3 games in a row. Next week they'll be quitters again.

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4/10/2006  2:55 PM
oohah, what are you talking about "finally" beating Indy? We've already beaten them once on their homecourt this year.
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4/10/2006  3:03 PM
oohah, what are you talking about "finally" beating Indy? We've already beaten them once on their homecourt this year.

Okay, my bad. Now the Knicks are great!

oohah

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4/10/2006  3:22 PM
Keep looking for one scapegoat and you will always be looking.
Dont need one and dont care about one. Blame is unproductive. It comes to two things, who's part of the problem and who's part of the solution.
I'm sure you will be ecstatic about next years 40 win range team.
I'm not sure what thats supposed to mean. I'm looking for improvement in the players. If its Frye, Lee, Nate, Butler, Curry, etc getting those wins that would represent a foundation. If you have a 40 win team of tough hard working guys 21-25 years old your talking about adding pieces, and not assembling a core.
Talk about hedging. I'll tell you what: The season was over long before anyone, you included, brought up the word "quit". It's just the latest extremist rationale and you can repeat it all you want.
Ive been talking about it since December. Ive been talking about it since JJ and Mo Taylor showed up too fat for aerobic exercise. I've been talking about since guys stopped defending. Go dig up the prediction thread. I said they would be about .500 but miss the play-offs. As bad as the East was I didnt see anything that elevated us above the mediocrity aside from Brown perhaps. I dont need to lie or hedge or save face to you. I dont really care enough of what you think of me to do so. I was wrong. I thought Larry would have these scrapping every night. I thought that although we werent very good, we would be a tough out as they say. Sorry to say I was wrong. Ive been called by the RVs and Bonns of this site a hater since XMas time because I've been calling these guys losers and quitters for not playing Larry ball since 4 weeks into the season. Ive saying rotations dont matter, play hard. Sub patterns are an excuse play hard. Guys cry about not knowing their roles, but they dont play hard, they dont defend.

I also said in that prediction thread that nothing would suprise me, good or bad. That who knows, if they play together maybe they win a bunch of games and see the 2nd round, but if you told me we were looking for a top pick come April that wouldnt suprise me either. Bonn? Where you are... bust out the URL
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4/10/2006  3:36 PM
Bonn? Where you are... bust out the URL

Not taking sides here, but this board is in SERIOUS need of a search function!!!

Really, some of the best knick posters to be found, definitely the best mods, yet the engine under this thing is as weak as they come. What's the deal?

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4/10/2006  3:57 PM
Dont need one and dont care about one. Blame is unproductive. It comes to two things, who's part of the problem and who's part of the solution.

Yet you spend so much time blaming the players and forgiving the coach. How judicious.
I'm not sure what thats supposed to mean. I'm looking for improvement in the players. If its Frye, Lee, Nate, Butler, Curry, etc getting those wins that would represent a foundation. If you have a 40 win team of tough hard working guys 21-25 years old your talking about adding pieces, and not assembling a core.

What a wonderfully general statement! That's what most of us thought this team had year. Too bad the young, tough players have been jerked around so much.
Ive been talking about it since December.

Been talking about what? All I know is that during the 6 game streak your tune was quite different. I guess it depends on which way the wind is blowing from week to week.
Ive been talking about it since JJ and Mo Taylor showed up too fat for aerobic exercise.

Talking about What!?!?!?

Go dig up the prediction thread. I said they would be about .500 but miss the play-offs.

If they were aas good as you predicted they would be in the playoffs. However, that is neither here nor there. The point is you thought the team would be mediocre, now that they are terrible its the players, not the coach.
As bad as the East was I didnt see anything that elevated us above the mediocrity aside from Brown perhaps.

AHA! Nothing that elevated the Knicks beyond mediocrity besides Brown's coaching! So you thought they were mediocre and that Brown might make them better. As it turn out, they were bad, and Brown made them worse! That is what I have been saying for months now. But you won't even include Brown in the mix of problems, citing his past record. Well his past record is the past. The present ain't so rosy.
I dont need to lie or hedge or save face to you. I dont really care enough of what you think of me to do so.

Then why do you keep hedging? If the players are quitters then the past few games are an anomaly unless they underwent some sort of overnight change, but it seems the overnight change was in YOU, "Now they are coming around, HOORAY!". Spare me.

ve been called by the RVs and Bonns of this site a hater since XMas time because I've been calling these guys losers and quitters for not playing Larry ball since 4 weeks into the season.

I don't remember seeing you call them quitters since then, but if you say so, fine. The fishmike I remember was quite emphatic during the six game streak stating how the team was coming together, LB had it all worked out, LB made players prove who should be playing etc. Fishmike to oohah: "your opinion is getting more dodgy with every win" Even after the win streak you didn't go the other way for quite a few losses (It's because Marbury is out, it's because, it's because, it's because...)
Ive saying rotations dont matter, play hard. Sub patterns are an excuse play hard. Guys cry about not knowing their roles, but they dont play hard, they dont defend.

Well you're just wrong. Playing rotations do matter. Playing style does matter. What the coach does matters a lot. There are guys who have not said a word that are still up in the air about their roles, David Lee for one. Don't tell me NR doesn't play hard, Frye played plenty hard, but his minutes were less consistent than Eddie Curry's, who has only started to pay the price for his laziness.

I also said in that prediction thread that nothing would suprise me, good or bad. That who knows, if they play together maybe they win a bunch of games and see the 2nd round, but if you told me we were looking for a top pick come April that wouldnt suprise me either. Bonn? Where you are... bust out the URL

If that ain't hedging, I don't know what hedging is.

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4/10/2006  4:18 PM
Ooh aahh: Fish has a pretty similar opinion as I do about the team. The players did quit. The reason he didn't say they quit during the 6 game winning streak is because at that point they hadn't yet quit, and my guess is Fish was commenting on the current play.

I'm with you that rotations matter this year. But this year was about development and finding out who would be here as we got better. This year was not about coaching to win 35 games. Many things could have been done better(yes by coach Brown) but that's not the point. The point was finding the real players and winners from the Fugazy's. That has clearly been done. The purpose for this season was to develop the young guys. We may not have done it your way but I'm not sure how anybody can watch these games and say the young guys haven't developed. We are not the Celtics, Orlando or LAC with young guys and a direction. We are a team that before the season had a mishmashed record AND NO DIRECTION. We are getting it as we speak. We don't want to admit it but we are rebuilding and this year was handled as a rebuilding year(by the coaching staff-not Isiah). It's time to come to grips with that.
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4/10/2006  6:30 PM
I have to agree with oohah here, well mostly agree with him. larry brown has done alot of dumb things with this team, which is why It makes me think he is either just not nearly as good a coach as I thought or losing on purpose for some reason.

if marbury and curry and jalen and whoever quit on larry, why does he start them and play them starters minutes? thats the thing about larry brown that Ive never understood, if marbury really is breaking plays, and not really trying to play the way larry wants than he shouldnt start, or even play for that matter.

I've always thought the knicks most effective lineup under LB would be, crawford, nate,woods, frye, and butler, becuase even though the arent the most talented guys on this team they, to me, seem to be the ones trying the hardest to do what larry wants, but larry never really plays those guys that much, he insists on starting guys like curry and marbury and francis.

If larry wont/cant coach this team the way it was assembled to be coached than at least dont play the players who cant adapt, thats my logic anyway. If marbury and francis and jalen and richardson, had not gotten injured, crawford would never be playing as well as he is now, becuase he'd still be coming off the bench playing 25 someodd mins a game, as the 12 guy in larrys 15 man rotation. my only hope is that when larry gets the roster overhaul he desires so much, that he will start coaching properly again.





[Edited by - slimpack on 04-10-2006 6:38 PM]
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4/10/2006  9:29 PM
knicks playing upset ball with nothing to lose after upseting their fan support for 60 something games.......un****ing real.

and to think larry brown has to do it again next year.......good night and good luck
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4/10/2006  10:16 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Bonn? Where you are... bust out the URL

Not taking sides here, but this board is in SERIOUS need of a search function!!!

Really, some of the best knick posters to be found, definitely the best mods, yet the engine under this thing is as weak as they come. What's the deal?

This is where you're supposed to volunteer to make a contribution and write the search function yourself.

[Edited by - BASKETBALLJONES on 04-10-2006 22:17]
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4/10/2006  11:17 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Bonn? Where you are... bust out the URL

Not taking sides here, but this board is in SERIOUS need of a search function!!!

Really, some of the best knick posters to be found, definitely the best mods, yet the engine under this thing is as weak as they come. What's the deal?

This is where you're supposed to volunteer to make a contribution and write the search function yourself.

I wish I knew how. I know nothing about coding or anything remotely close.

But I notice that a lot of forums seem to be built of the same architecture. You know, buttons and functions in the same places, stuff like that. So I wouldn't think these things need to be written from the ground up. Maybe they're a perk from the server? I have no idea.

But anyway, it's not for me to say.
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4/11/2006  7:26 AM
ooha, I just call it like I see it. When I see them quit I call them so. When I see them play hard I'm happy they are doing their job. This isnt flip flopping or hedging or whatever your flavor of the day is. Am I not supposed to be enthusiastic over a 6 game winning streak, several against good teams? Why is this hard for you to understand? Shortly after that streak when the losses started to mount they DID quit.

I don't remember seeing you call them quitters since then, but if you say so, fine. The fishmike I remember was quite emphatic during the six game streak stating how the team was coming together, LB had it all worked out, LB made players prove who should be playing etc. Fishmike to oohah: "your opinion is getting more dodgy with every win" Even after the win streak you didn't go the other way for quite a few losses (It's because Marbury is out, it's because, it's because, it's because...)
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4/11/2006  12:34 PM
ooha, I just call it like I see it. When I see them quit I call them so. When I see them play hard I'm happy they are doing their job. This isnt flip flopping or hedging or whatever your flavor of the day is. Am I not supposed to be enthusiastic over a 6 game winning streak, several against good teams? Why is this hard for you to understand? Shortly after that streak when the losses started to mount they DID quit.

Enthusiastic? You just change your opinion depending on whether the Knicks win a few or lose a few. You flip-flop. You don't really have opinions, just reactions.

your slower than I thought but OK.

You've taken to insulting me quite a bit these days, even shouting me out on threads in which I have not posted...It seems you are developing a complex where it comes to me. Pathetic. I guess you are smarting from the times I have pointed out how ridiculous your knee-jerk statements are.

oohah

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