agree with MS and Briggs. Smith is turning into a special player. I like Childress as well.

Briggs - don;t have anything better to do than to misquote me?

Besides, Wilcox is represented by my baseball teammate Rock Newman, why would i diss him?

damn

Posted by MS:

There is no ifs you jack ass, everyone said take paul you need a point guard its the right play and Billy Knight like he always does take a pf which defied logic...

The Knicks passing on Amare is not the same, Amare was an unknown, Paul was a homerun anyone takes the kid at that spot, anyone....

Frye can make an All-Star at the center spot but he is terrible on defense as is Curry, it doesn't matter what percentage he shoots he should already be the third best center in the nba right now he has a higher skill set than just about every center in the league but he dogs it and doesn't work hard....which is why the knicks suck, he should easily be 16 and 10 in his sleep with two blocks a game

Smith 17pts 15rbs 7ass 3blks 2steals last night, your telling me this kid isn't an all-star in two years, and if you put this kid on the nets with kidd or with the suns he maybe an all-star next year, which is what paul would have done which was my point, he has a sg giving him the ball.....and the kid doesn't even know how to play the game yet......

Channing or Smith who do you take? Honestly if you say Frye maybe you should run the hawks

I am convinced you are just dumb...

chris paul was not a HOMERUN, Bogut was considered a Homerun, Marvin williams was considered a Home run. If paul was considered that, he would not have slipped past the second pick. that is just another moronic statement you made.. but I expect that.. Paul was the suprise of the Year...

then you come back with Amare was a unknown? LOL... another idiotic statement!!! unknow to you, I as well as some other on this site, were clamoring for amare!!! Do you think we were the only ones who knew about him? geez

The Knicks passing on Amare is not the same

please shut up with that shyt... The hawks passed on paul for some reason and the knicks did the same with amare, I don't care what stupid ass excuse you give, it all is the same! we had two stupid GM's who passed on talent we needed! Stop with your silly ass reasoning..

Frye can make an All-Star at the center spot

LOL.. frye CAN, but josh smith is a certainty? LOL!!!! you are one of a kind... and that is nota compliment..

Smith 17pts 15rbs 7ass 3blks 2steals last night, your telling me this kid isn't an all-star in two years

LOL.. you are nuts. He also shot 3-15 the night before, so what does that tell you? Frye scored 30 twice this year, CV had 48/9, Crawford has 37 last night, are these guys allstars in two years? Better yet, tell me, I gave you a list of players that are or could be allstar players, at the same position Josh smith plays, tell me who is he going to beat out for sure? so sure that if no one agrees, they are a jackass? you see how stupid your logic is? AK-47 has been putting up those numbers for years, how many Allstar appearance has he had? You backed yourself into a corner with you dumb reasoning, Josh smith can be a good all around player, but for you to label him as a can't miss allstar, and for those not to agree are jackasses, just makes you look like a first rate moron!!!

and if you put this kid on the nets with kidd or with the suns he maybe an all-star next year, which is what paul would have done which was my point,

oh gotdamnit! would you cut it out with the ifs? IF we had nash instead of marbury, curry would get 25ppg and be a allstar, the knicks would be a better team, and david lee would average 6ppg more..... If...if.... if....

If I were Jay z I would be boning Beyonce..... if you knew what you were talking about, this conversation would have stopped a long time ago...

TKF Vs MS, the battle of the alphabets. This is better than LSU Vs UCLA!

And for the Record, Josh Smith is a better prospect than anyone on the Knicks, including Frye.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 04-06-2006 11:31 AM]

Posted by bigbeast:

TKF Vs MS, the battle of the alphabets. This is better than LSU Vs UCLA!

And for the Record, Josh Smith is a better prospect than anyone on the Knicks, including Frye.
[Edited by - bigbeast on 04-06-2006 11:31 AM]

and that is because..... you say so? care to elaborate?

Posted by bigbeast:

I just think Smith is a better 2-way player at this point than Frye and impacts both ends of the floor. Fryes is a better shooter for sure, But Smith is a better defender, (much better lateral quickness n the perimeter) much better shot blocker (more explosive leaper around the basket), runs the floor better, handles the ball and passes better than Frye.

This is not a case of knocking Frye to make Smith look better. I think Frye will be a fine player in this league, but I think Smith would be a much better fit next to Curry, because his best assets cover for Curry's weaknesses.

beast, I appreciate that post, and I agree that josh is a better shot blocker, but I don't agree with all of the post. I like frye first of all because he is a big man at 6'11, who can score in the post, has a much better offensive game than smith and frye has shown shotblocking and rebounding abilities in stretches during the season, he is just a rookie, josh already had his rookie season, and frye has shown he can block shots and rebound, just not consistently yet, but then again, rookies are usually inconsistent. Getting back to frye I just think he is the better player, and not because he is a better offensive player, but because he can play the post as well as the perimeter, and shoots at a good %. To say that josh is a better prospect becuase he handles the ball better and is a better passer, then we must say that David lee is also better than frye, I mean lee is a better rebounder, as good of a shot blocker, quicker, a much better passer and handles the ball better. Again both lee and smith are smaller players also..... we may just dissagree here... I think josh is a good player at times, but to dub this kid as a can't miss allstar is a little overboard. I think gerald wallace is proably the best "two way" young player in the east, or at least one of the best next to iguodala..

Smith is 20, Frye had 4 years of coaching in Arizona, and doesn't have a post game yet. He doesn't know how to use his body when he gets into the lane and isn't physically strong enough to assert himself yet. Obviously that will come. Smith plays 6 more minutes a game than Smith who is right now the sixth best shot blocker in the NBA; if Frye were such a good shot blocker he should be getting more than .72 blocks a game, and he has three inches on him.

Smith has the range to be a three and the size and strength and the quickness to be a four. Frye doesn't have the quickness to guard fours at this point.....

So what does Fyre do better than Smith shoot the basketball, he makes open jumpers off the pick and role and can't really make an athletic play to free himself so he has to rely on getting set for open jumpers.......

So if Smith is a better rebounder, defender, stronger, runs and jumps far better how is he the better player hes not.....thats shawn marion junior with a little less range in a couple of years...

And for the record Paul was the fourth player taken in the draft and the first pick was Bogut no matter who got it. No one would have killed the Hawks if they took bogut with the pick if they had the first selection; they needed a pg and they passed on three of them, to take a PF thats mind boogling

Amare was passed up for Jay Williams, Dunleavy, Gooden, Skita, Wagner, Wilcox, and Nene.......

SO you don't think Smith is an All-Star? I just can't see your reasoning....

Briggs, Ms, etc.. YOu guys don't get it. Your patterns are played, weak, reactive. Marcus Banks over Earl Watson.. because of one game.. your athlete whores. This is this teams problem.. no character.. no heart. Josh Smith is that answer to that? Over our best citizen?

Posted by MS:

Smith is 20, Frye had 4 years of coaching in Arizona, and doesn't have a post game yet. He doesn't know how to use his body when he gets into the lane and isn't physically strong enough to assert himself yet. Obviously that will come. Smith plays 6 more minutes a game than Smith who is right now the sixth best shot blocker in the NBA; if Frye were such a good shot blocker he should be getting more than .72 blocks a game, and he has three inches on him.

Smith has the range to be a three and the size and strength and the quickness to be a four. Frye doesn't have the quickness to guard fours at this point.....

So what does Fyre do better than Smith shoot the basketball, he makes open jumpers off the pick and role and can't really make an athletic play to free himself so he has to rely on getting set for open jumpers.......

So if Smith is a better rebounder, defender, stronger, runs and jumps far better how is he the better player hes not.....thats shawn marion junior with a little less range in a couple of years...

And for the record Paul was the fourth player taken in the draft and the first pick was Bogut no matter who got it. No one would have killed the Hawks if they took bogut with the pick if they had the first selection; they needed a pg and they passed on three of them, to take a PF thats mind boogling

Amare was passed up for Jay Williams, Dunleavy, Gooden, Skita, Wagner, Wilcox, and Nene.......

SO you don't think Smith is an All-Star? I just can't see your reasoning....

OK MS, this is the problem I have here. If we just take two guys and compare them athletically, then Gearld wallace is better than Ray allen, Rip Hamilton, and michael redd. I nor do many agree with that statement or line of thinking. It is not frye's fault that he played 4 years of college ball, but you make it seem that because he is 3 years older that he should be 3 times better. He and josh are seperated by two years, it is like saying that Lebron is 5 years younger than kobe, so in 5 years he will eclipse Kobe by leaps and bounds, guys talents don't grow exponentially like that. You say frye does not have a post game? but I constantly see him post up and he hits that jump hook with either hand. Now are you telling me that he is hitting jump hooks from 25 feet out? Another thing, josh smith can't shoot, his handles are suspect, he is a good athlete so he can block shots and get rebounds in which he is rarely in position for. Remember the last game we played the hawks, he could not guard Frye in the post at all, picked up two quick fouls before he was taken out, yet frye was able to guard him becuase josh does not have a legit perimeter game or any offensive moves. You call him shawn marion like, I think Gerald wallace is closer to marion and better than josh smith. I am not saying he isn't a good player, just not this allstar you are making him out to be.. You knock frye as not being a shotblocker although he has displayed the ability evidence his 4 block game when he got hurt. As far as rebounding, frye didn't do bad in his first year at about 6 per game. You seem to minimalize frye, yet make excuses for josh, like he will get better, or can develop this or that, just doesn't seem fair..

So if Smith is a better rebounder, defender, stronger, runs and jumps far better how is he the better player hes not.....thats shawn marion junior with a little less range in a couple of years...

this is where we dissagree the most, first I don't think smith is a good defender, he is a good weak side shotblocker, but his on man defensive skills are not as good as you may think and again i have the opportunity to see this guy up close a lot.... But let me ask you this, you point out running,strength, jumping, whatever happened to Basketball skill and IQ? something frye excells in, far more than josh smith. Let me ask you this. Is Samuel Dalembert a better runner, jumper, shot blocker, defender than Brad miller? I would say yes? is he a better ball player? I would strongly say NO!! see my point?