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djsunyc
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4/4/2006  4:29 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:



He is untouchable because Dolan says so...Dolan told Larry his job is to teach Curry to play ball on his last trip with the Knicks...The Bull won't be better because there is no one they can get in the draft that are better than the players on their roster...I jsut don't understand why you guys are so high on this draft....

the bulls will either draft two very good players (doesn't have to be studs persay) or trade our pick in a blockbuster of sorts. they have the options.

if they're able to land any two of the following players: aldridge/t2/noah/roy/shelden/morrison - that makes them better than having curry.

you know, they can add pieces to build a TEAM or they can trade our pick + ben gordon for paul pierce.



Guys, picks has to have value to make a trade work....It does matter if Gay or Morrison is the 3rd pick...No one is giving up Pierce for that package...No one is jumping on the bandwagon because the pick has no 2 or no 3 attached to it...If Morrison is the pick then there is no way I'm trading Pierce for Morrison and Ben Gordon...


unless you're looking to dump salary and go full rebuild. you know, teams actually do dump salary...but this time, since it's a good player, he won't be dumped to us.
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4/4/2006  5:31 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:



He is untouchable because Dolan says so...Dolan told Larry his job is to teach Curry to play ball on his last trip with the Knicks...The Bull won't be better because there is no one they can get in the draft that are better than the players on their roster...I jsut don't understand why you guys are so high on this draft....

the bulls will either draft two very good players (doesn't have to be studs persay) or trade our pick in a blockbuster of sorts. they have the options.

if they're able to land any two of the following players: aldridge/t2/noah/roy/shelden/morrison - that makes them better than having curry.

you know, they can add pieces to build a TEAM or they can trade our pick + ben gordon for paul pierce.



Guys, picks has to have value to make a trade work....It does matter if Gay or Morrison is the 3rd pick...No one is giving up Pierce for that package...No one is jumping on the bandwagon because the pick has no 2 or no 3 attached to it...If Morrison is the pick then there is no way I'm trading Pierce for Morrison and Ben Gordon...


unless you're looking to dump salary and go full rebuild. you know, teams actually do dump salary...but this time, since it's a good player, he won't be dumped to us.



There is no way that anyone is rebuilding with this crop of players coming out this year...


There is not one Franchise player in this draft...NOT ONE....



[Edited by - holfresh on 04-04-2006 5:32 PM]
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4/4/2006  5:49 PM
Posted by holfresh:




There is no way that anyone is rebuilding with this crop of players coming out this year...


There is not one Franchise player in this draft...NOT ONE....

Does Oden count as a franchise player? Cos we have no shot at him either.

Tell you what, we got two late first rounders for Nazr, but gave up two early second rounders to get Mo Taylor. I'd much rather have Nazr back and have our own first and second round picks for 2006, 2007. But maybe that's just me. Zeke has panicked over the last year and destroyed our franchise for years, outside of the 2005 draft. The last two trade deadlines and the Curry move have crippled us. How anyone has any faith left is beyond me.
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4/4/2006  6:55 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Curry has to get the benefit of a doubt due to his heart ailment...Guys he couldn't work out all summer...Finally he has gotten into some sort of shape now and is unstoppable in the post the last few games...The guards haven't figured out how to get the ball to him, still...He has some insane FG percentage the last 55 shots...i think he has scored 40 plus of his last baskets in 55 shots....



[Edited by - holfresh on 04-04-2006 3:36 PM]


almost all dunks and you never see Curry demand the ball

Please name one time this season he has put this team on his back? his career?

Curry is not a franchise talent either. Matter of fact NOONE Isiah has traded for or drafted has shown any ability to will a team to victory but thats another story.

those other guys may not be blesssed with that combo of size and agility but they have shown an ability to

report in shape

work as part of a 5

respond to coaching

and in the case of a 3 or 4 of them - LEAD



[Edited by - McK1 on 04-04-2006 6:56 PM]
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4/4/2006  9:39 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:


Curry has to get the benefit of a doubt due to his heart ailment...Guys he couldn't work out all summer...Finally he has gotten into some sort of shape now and is unstoppable in the post the last few games...The guards haven't figured out how to get the ball to him, still...He has some insane FG percentage the last 55 shots...i think he has scored 40 plus of his last baskets in 55 shots....



[Edited by - holfresh on 04-04-2006 3:36 PM]


almost all dunks and you never see Curry demand the ball

Please name one time this season he has put this team on his back? his career?

Curry is not a franchise talent either. Matter of fact NOONE Isiah has traded for or drafted has shown any ability to will a team to victory but thats another story.

those other guys may not be blesssed with that combo of size and agility but they have shown an ability to

report in shape

work as part of a 5

respond to coaching

and in the case of a 3 or 4 of them - LEAD



[Edited by - McK1 on 04-04-2006 6:56 PM]



You are right.....Isiah never traded for a franchise player...What Franchise player did Isiah have to trade for that Franchise player?...Who didn't Isiah draft that you wish he should have drafted for that is a Frachise player???

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4/4/2006  9:46 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:


Curry has to get the benefit of a doubt due to his heart ailment...Guys he couldn't work out all summer...Finally he has gotten into some sort of shape now and is unstoppable in the post the last few games...The guards haven't figured out how to get the ball to him, still...He has some insane FG percentage the last 55 shots...i think he has scored 40 plus of his last baskets in 55 shots....



[Edited by - holfresh on 04-04-2006 3:36 PM]


almost all dunks and you never see Curry demand the ball

Please name one time this season he has put this team on his back? his career?

Curry is not a franchise talent either. Matter of fact NOONE Isiah has traded for or drafted has shown any ability to will a team to victory but thats another story.

those other guys may not be blesssed with that combo of size and agility but they have shown an ability to

report in shape

work as part of a 5

respond to coaching

and in the case of a 3 or 4 of them - LEAD



[Edited by - McK1 on 04-04-2006 6:56 PM]



You are right.....Isiah never traded for a franchise player...What Franchise player did Isiah have to trade for that Franchise player?...Who didn't Isiah draft that you wish he should have drafted for that is a Frachise player???


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4/4/2006  9:58 PM
Posted by crzymdups:


Tell you what, we got two late first rounders for Nazr, but gave up two early second rounders to get Mo Taylor. I'd much rather have Nazr back and have our own first and second round picks for 2006, 2007. But maybe that's just me. Zeke has panicked over the last year and destroyed our franchise for years, outside of the 2005 draft. The last two trade deadlines and the Curry move have crippled us. How anyone has any faith left is beyond me.

Speaking of the Nazr trade, even the spurs put lottery protection on the picks they gave us. The frikken SPURS, who have little chance of landing in the lottery, protect their picks and we don't.

Guess that's one reason their GM is considered one of the best and ours isn't.

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4/5/2006  1:29 AM
Until proven otherwise Curry's potential diminishes with each passing season. New draft picks, which can seem like 'the grass is always greener' theory gone wild seem to many to have a better chance of being more than Curry is at this point, which is why people would rather have that pick instead of Curry.

The question one might think should be asked is are the chances Curry turns into the player we really need (which I do not believe he has at this point, and may in fact be detrimental to the teams progress) superior to the potential of a top 3-5 draft pick in this years lottery? The problem is that this is faulty logic, because we didn't trade for Curry with only this year's pick.

I think with the performance Curry gave the Knicks this year as well as other mitgating factors such as does he fit with the team, personality, work ethic, etc. (statistics aside, some of which don't look that bad on paper) it's becoming more difficult to say he is absoultely a better player to have taken than a top pick this year (even though that misses other key aspects of the deal with the Bulls).

When Isiah made that deal what has happened now is the worst case scenario that he couldn't have expected, or even anticipated with the addition of Brown at that point...a shoe in for turning teams around. Isiah is clearly not perfect, by any means, and trades always involve risk. At the time, to be fair, based on the addition of Larry, etc. it did seem like it could be a great deal, so you have to give Isiah the benefit of the doubt there.

However, there were clear risks involved, and in some regards one really should see it as not just a trading draft pick (Curry...who had/has potential) for ours this years, but also another future pick (2007) and a former pick for (Sweetney). This is the primary issue of contention with many fans.

We didn't JUST trade for Curry with this year's pick. We traded the potential of Sweetney AND this year's pick...and MAYBE EVEN NEXT YEAR'S PICK for him. That does seem rather steep, and one wonders if Isiah should have waited to see how Brown did with the Knicks, before adding Curry. I know that might sound crazy, but maybe there was too much optimism flowing into people's glasses after getting Larry. Larry was known to have problems with Marbury, and even though everyone said the right things maybe it would have been better to wait and see.

Isiah clearly couldn't resist the possibility of getting a guy like Curry, who seemed like a need for the Knicks, despite his apparent misgivings (besides heart issues) which Knick fans are now familiar with, and the Knicks SHOULD HAVE BEEN familiar with. Unless Curry has seriously regressed, didn't he have similar problems on the Bulls?

I think there are a multitude of reasons this season has gone as bad as it has, so blame has to go around. What can be done to fix it? That's tough to say, but I may now be in the camp that actually wants Marbury to go, after being in his corner since he joined the Knicks. If he is truly despised by his teamates and guys that get good press, like Q, have problems with him then maybe we need to face reality and bite the bullet (if we can) and move him for crap, if needs be. Clean house, I suppose. Curry is a big risk, because if he doesn't show signs soon he'll be impossible to move, but I'd like to see him play with a PG that WANTS to get him the ball, and encourages him, rather than bashes and humilates him (as I saw Marbury do on ocassion) before we move him. The Bulls did have a winning team last year, and Curry was part of that, to be fair.

I think it may start with the end of the Marbury era, at ANY cost, but preferably for some blue collar type of players. Keep Francis for now, unless something good comes up, and maybe even Craw (not sure yet), and get some guys who play with their heart and soul each night. Let's start with being competitive on a consistent basis. I hope we make moves that fit that mold this summer.

[Edited by - PresIke on 04-05-2006 01:31 AM]
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