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while the oncourt play of the Knicks has been unbearable and abysmal, Larry media has been quite entertaining. Compiled some of his more frontpage quotes. Vote your fav
One guy asked me, 'How do I know the time [left on the shotclock]?' Well is on top of the backboard.
To say he doesn't know what's going on, he's delusional.If he doesn't know, it's because UCLA wasn't a good academic institution
He only went to Georgia Tech for a year, and that's an engineering school - reply to Steph questioning why W's&L's don't matter
I never left a team in worse shape than I got it.Not once.Think about that.Think about me and think about the guy who's talking.
You're the best guard in the league and the team's 17-45? Yeah, it's the coach's fault.
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3/30/2006  2:28 PM
Well, the I never left any team worst than I got it was proven to be false and he was called out for it on ESPN and newspapers.

I still don't understand why Brown wanted Jalen or Francis? I want to believe that it was Isiah but both men indicated and confirmed by both Marbury and Ariza that Brown has final say on team personel. Now I am wondering how much input Brown had in getting Curry, too. Especially with his comments about taking Curry over any person that came out this year. Strange goings on at MSG. I hope there is a book involve.
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3/30/2006  2:35 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Well, the I never left any team worst than I got it was proven to be false and he was called out for it on ESPN and newspapers.

I still don't understand why Brown wanted Jalen or Francis? I want to believe that it was Isiah but both men indicated and confirmed by both Marbury and Ariza that Brown has final say on team personel. Now I am wondering how much input Brown had in getting Curry, too. Especially with his comments about taking Curry over any person that came out this year. Strange goings on at MSG. I hope there is a book involve.

brown didn't want jalen + francis. those reports of him being behind it were bogus. they wanted other trades but SETTLED on these b/c otherwise, the expiring deals would've been wasted "assets" in isiahnomics. so you get something else and figure it out in the summer.
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3/30/2006  2:52 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Well, the I never left any team worst than I got it was proven to be false and he was called out for it on ESPN and newspapers.

I still don't understand why Brown wanted Jalen or Francis? I want to believe that it was Isiah but both men indicated and confirmed by both Marbury and Ariza that Brown has final say on team personel. Now I am wondering how much input Brown had in getting Curry, too. Especially with his comments about taking Curry over any person that came out this year. Strange goings on at MSG. I hope there is a book involve.

brown didn't want jalen + francis. those reports of him being behind it were bogus. they wanted other trades but SETTLED on these b/c otherwise, the expiring deals would've been wasted "assets" in isiahnomics. so you get something else and figure it out in the summer.
Brown was quoted as saying he "begged" Isiah to get Francis.

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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Well, the I never left any team worst than I got it was proven to be false and he was called out for it on ESPN and newspapers.

I still don't understand why Brown wanted Jalen or Francis? I want to believe that it was Isiah but both men indicated and confirmed by both Marbury and Ariza that Brown has final say on team personel. Now I am wondering how much input Brown had in getting Curry, too. Especially with his comments about taking Curry over any person that came out this year. Strange goings on at MSG. I hope there is a book involve.

brown didn't want jalen + francis. those reports of him being behind it were bogus. they wanted other trades but SETTLED on these b/c otherwise, the expiring deals would've been wasted "assets" in isiahnomics. so you get something else and figure it out in the summer.

Then Larry Brown is the biggest liar because he said he wanted both players himself. Brown, Isiah Thomas and Marbury all indicated that Brown has the final say on personnel. Marbury's "he pulled a hard juice card" regarding letting Marbury know that he has final say on players wasn't refutted at all. In fact Brown is letting everyone know what he plans on doing and who he is trying to unload. Hey that's fine, he has the power based on his status and career like Riley did. But only quesiton is why bring in Francis only to fight with him. I don't get that. Marbury was here so he has every reason to be pissed off about that guy though he did take the job when Marbury was already on the team. So this is all confusing.
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3/30/2006  4:46 PM
larry is basically a smartass that likes it his way.

and like it or not, his way usually brings the wins.


steph's way........doesnt.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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3/30/2006  4:47 PM
Honestly Jalen has been a pretty solid professional since he played for Bird in Indiana but I think he's been infected by the NY aura that I've been preaching about.

Again this team should have had more wins. 40 wins would be great but what would that prove. It would just shield the fact that we were still a bad team and have us continue along the same path that we've followed since Patrick left. Now players, coach's, GM's and everyone else have been exposed. Rock bottom is the best thing that ever happened to this organization. Now no one will be playing around and we can finally commit to getting something done. The mirage has disappeared. It sucks but I am definitely seeing a small pin prick of light. It's nice to actually have a coach with some clout that can make some changes instead of another puppet to tell us what we want to hear, win 35-40 games, get an 8th seed and then pretend that we will make a magical run to the title.
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3/30/2006  4:50 PM
Guys every coach in the NBA has final say on player personnel. when this does not happen you can guarantee that the coach or GM is going to be fired. Just look at our history. We never have guys on the same page and ironically every other year either a GM or a coach is fired. Enough is enough. It's not about "juice" it's about doing what it takes to win games. Coach has a style. Coach needs players that fits that style. GM's job is to go out and get players that fit this style and noone else. Not a tough concept but seems to be so hard for some to grasp.
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3/30/2006  4:52 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Well, the I never left any team worst than I got it was proven to be false and he was called out for it on ESPN and newspapers.

I still don't understand why Brown wanted Jalen or Francis? I want to believe that it was Isiah but both men indicated and confirmed by both Marbury and Ariza that Brown has final say on team personel. Now I am wondering how much input Brown had in getting Curry, too. Especially with his comments about taking Curry over any person that came out this year. Strange goings on at MSG. I hope there is a book involve.

brown didn't want jalen + francis. those reports of him being behind it were bogus. they wanted other trades but SETTLED on these b/c otherwise, the expiring deals would've been wasted "assets" in isiahnomics. so you get something else and figure it out in the summer.

Then Larry Brown is the biggest liar because he said he wanted both players himself. Brown, Isiah Thomas and Marbury all indicated that Brown has the final say on personnel. Marbury's "he pulled a hard juice card" regarding letting Marbury know that he has final say on players wasn't refutted at all. In fact Brown is letting everyone know what he plans on doing and who he is trying to unload. Hey that's fine, he has the power based on his status and career like Riley did. But only quesiton is why bring in Francis only to fight with him. I don't get that. Marbury was here so he has every reason to be pissed off about that guy though he did take the job when Marbury was already on the team. So this is all confusing.

well at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter if it was lb or isiah or both. they're here. now they need to figure out wtf they're going to do with them.
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3/30/2006  5:14 PM
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Brown is an *******. Someone needs to kick his ass. I never seen someone so old and so arrogant.

He has made some serious comments about players all year. How can anybody play with the coach saying stuff like that in the media. The players gave up when Marbs got hurt. Brown seems like he didn't give them a fair shake coming into the season.

Favorite Brown quote? Geez.....

I still don't get it. Are you trying to convince me and rest that some gut shots to some of the players to the media is the downfall of the team? Talk about the mentally weak. It sure hurt AI.

Read the signature....I been sayin that and using other examples all year.

I'm sick of the Brown BS.....the players are pre-madonnas and whatever. Yeah that all is true.....but all this extra woman drama that Brown sprinkles on the situation is not helping any.....plus Brown is a genius....I agree with that also....but what the hell happened this season? I just don't get it. He needs to get as much fire and brimstone as the other parties has been getting.

Bottom line is no one cares about the fans here except maybe Dolan because he has been trying to get the best people and spend the most money to get NY to win.....Knicks will make money regardless but I think Dolan is the only dude that cares....He has made some dumb moves on his side but he has tried to get people interested and tried to get the best in here to win again....

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3/30/2006  5:17 PM
That's my point. Why try to kill the guy's trade value? Why not let him play like he wants to, knowing that you plan on shipping him out, the same for Marbury. Brown instead got into street brawls with these guys. Instead of just letting this season play out which I think was his plan. I mean the Lakers and Cavs were seriously interested in Francis but couldn't offer expiring contracts. Now what? Brown maybe a great coach but he is just as bad as Isiah in these type of dealings.
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3/30/2006  5:21 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Guys every coach in the NBA has final say on player personnel. when this does not happen you can guarantee that the coach or GM is going to be fired. Just look at our history. We never have guys on the same page and ironically every other year either a GM or a coach is fired. Enough is enough. It's not about "juice" it's about doing what it takes to win games. Coach has a style. Coach needs players that fits that style. GM's job is to go out and get players that fit this style and noone else. Not a tough concept but seems to be so hard for some to grasp.


Isiah took two years to turn Layden's garbage into the mess before us and now how long will it take to move Isiah's garbage to get Brown's kinds of players? And at what cost?

It is so clear that there is no way Brown should have been made coach of this squad.

If a Rick Adelman became available- Hell, Isiah should try to trade Brown for Adelman- LB should be asked to move aside and they should bring him in- someone who isn't going to try to play hard nose defensive ball with a group that clearly can't do it.

I mean a college team would stand a better chance than the knicks in some of these games in terms of defense.

Yes, the players haven't ever won anything in the career- but they have never been this bad?

Has Marbury ever been on a team to win 19 or 20 games in a season?

What about Curry & Crawford?

What about Q Rich's clips?

This isn't about Brown or the players being bad- its about them being a bad match.
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3/30/2006  5:46 PM
So once again another fan blinded by the "if we had only brought in someone else" or "anyone is better than what we have" myth. This roster is never winning anything significant no matter who is coach. It's time to bring in someone with clout and a winning background(which we have already done) and then rid ourselves of a roster of quitters.

You guys are amazing. This entire team quit. What do you think they would do in a game 7 down 6 with a minute to go? Why would you care about bringing in another coach to coach a team that quits? I don't get it?
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Posted by Pharzeone:

That's my point. Why try to kill the guy's trade value? Why not let him play like he wants to, knowing that you plan on shipping him out, the same for Marbury. Brown instead got into street brawls with these guys. Instead of just letting this season play out which I think was his plan. I mean the Lakers and Cavs were seriously interested in Francis but couldn't offer expiring contracts. Now what? Brown maybe a great coach but he is just as bad as Isiah in these type of dealings.


The same reason why Chicago cut TT instead of playing him and raising his trade value. In order to win you have to set a standard and live by it. If players are rebelling against coach what message is it sending to Channing and David and Nate if that coach then turns around and lets him do whatever he wants? A lesson that will destroy their development. Would they respect him? That is what chaney and Lenny and Herb were forced to do. It's time to raise our standards and get away from that losing mentality. We are better off buying out some of these guys and taking a hit and getting nothing in return than giving into them.


[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-30-2006 5:50 PM]
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3/30/2006  7:10 PM
The same reason why Chicago cut TT instead of playing him and raising his trade value. In order to win you have to set a standard and live by it.
You talk about that as if it worked out well for Chicago or was a smart decision.
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3/30/2006  9:19 PM
Keep in mind we did go 17-36 (.320) after Marbury declared himself "the best" last year. That stretch saw us play ball so gutless that many fans thought Isiah was tanking for draft positioning.

That stretch saw a bit from Nazr, plus Malik, JYD, Sweetney, Ariza, TT, and Kurt.

For the brunt of this season, in their place we saw AD (who some considered the worst player in the NBA), Q (who had his murdered brother over his head all season) Curry, Malik, Frye, Lee, Nate, Woods, Butler.

Now some will look at the group from this year and see more names and imagine their "potential", but I think the reality is that last years guys were far more NBA ready, AND they constituted some of the defensive role players we're wanting for now.

Most significantly, far and away the most NBA-ready guy from both groups was Kurt. We miss him desperately. He was our best defender, our purest shooter, our most reliable producer, our only two-way player, and our best leader. He was a guy many inside and out of the organization considered our "glue" guy, and sure enough, without him we've fallen apart. He was the one guy teammates could count on to give himself up when our porous perimeter D broke down, and he's the only guy Steph could count on to sink his shots.

To my mind it's not shocking that in the absence of the defense and leadership from Kurt and JYD that a .320 team would drop to .271, where we are now.

To that, this year you can also add in Steph's injury at a critical win stretch, and Jamal falling apart in his absence while concurrently his name swirled in a zillion deadline rumors.

Sadly, this team more resembles the team that quit on itself last year under Lenny and Herb than it differs. The main difference is that this one never got going, while last year's didn't fall apart until January 1st, when Marbury's ego provided impetus for his teammates to hang him out to dry.

I think there's grounds to criticize Larry, some of his machinations have been suspect, and no one can say he got 'em to overachieve, but I'm loath to blame him when this season simply appears to be a continuance of last year, minus our best two-way player and leader.

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 03-30-2006 11:17 PM]
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3/30/2006  9:49 PM
Keep in mind we did go 17-36 (.320) after Marbury declared himself "the best" last year. That stretch saw us play ball so gutless that many fans thought Isiah was tanking for draft positioning.

Make this clear, we all knew Isiah wasn't tanking, nor were Lenny and Herb, b/c they were fighting for their jobs. Just about every one of us were even baffled why he wouldn't be tanking.
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3/30/2006  10:13 PM
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so you're going to hold on to the notion these guys are good and Brown is just a horrible stale egotistical senile mopjob of a coach.

how many times does Evil have to post Brown's record in 22 years vs the combined one of the 11 guys on this roster with 5 years plus NBA experience

exactly, if LB' job was on trial, I don't care if larry didn't hold practices, and when he did, he sat back and ate bagels and sipped coffee, if he called out every player on the team, and slept during the games..... once you pull out that evidence, CASE CLOSED...... LB not guilty....

The players GUILTY..... and stupid..

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3/30/2006  10:16 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
The same reason why Chicago cut TT instead of playing him and raising his trade value. In order to win you have to set a standard and live by it.
You talk about that as if it worked out well for Chicago or was a smart decision.


Time will tell Bonn,time will tell.....But I can't fault chicago..
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Posted by BlueSeats:

Keep in mind we did go 17-36 (.320) after Marbury declared himself "the best" last year. That stretch saw us play ball so gutless that many fans thought Isiah was tanking for draft positioning.

That stretch saw a bit from Nazr, plus Malik, JYD, Sweetney, Ariza, TT, and Kurt.

For the brunt of this season, in their place we saw AD (who some considered the worst player in the NBA), Q (who had his murdered brother over his head all season) Curry, Malik, Frye, Lee, Nate, Woods, Butler.

Now some will look at the group from this year and see more names and imagine their "potential", but I think the reality is that last years guys were far more NBA ready, AND they constituted some of the defensive role players we're wanting for now.

Most significantly, far and away the most NBA-ready guy from both groups was Kurt. We miss him desperately. He was our best defender, our purest shooter, our most reliable producer, our only two-way player, and our best leader. He was a guy many inside and out of the organization considered our "glue" guy, and sure enough, without him we've fallen apart. He was the one guy teammates could count on to give himself up when our porous perimeter D broke down, and he's the only guy Steph could count on to sink his shots.

To my mind it's not shocking that in the absence of the defense and leadership from Kurt and JYD that a .320 team would drop to .271, where we are now.

To that, this year you can also add in Steph's injury at a critical win stretch, and Jamal falling apart in his absence while concurrently his name swirled in a zillion deadline rumors.

Sadly, this team more resembles the team that quit on itself last year under Larry and Herb than it differs. The main difference is that this one never got going, while last year's didn't fall apart until January 1st, when Marbury's ego provided impetus for his teammates to hang him out to dry.

I think there's grounds to criticize Larry, some of his machinations have been suspect, and no one can say he got 'em to overachieve, but I'm loath to blame him when this season simply appears to be a continuance of last year, minus our best two-way player and leader.


Most significantly, far and away the most NBA-ready guy from both groups was Kurt. We miss him desperately. He was our best defender, our purest shooter, our most reliable producer, our only two-way player, and our best leader

you are correct, blue, you are correct! and when he stood up to mabs, what happened? IT traded him. And in return for IT's loyalty what does marbury do? He quits on the team and the coach that IT assembled and brought together..... What a class act...

[Edited by - tkf on 03-30-2006 10:22 PM]
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3/30/2006  11:13 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Keep in mind we did go 17-36 (.320) after Marbury declared himself "the best" last year. That stretch saw us play ball so gutless that many fans thought Isiah was tanking for draft positioning.

Make this clear, we all knew Isiah wasn't tanking, nor were Lenny and Herb, b/c they were fighting for their jobs. Just about every one of us were even baffled why he wouldn't be tanking.

That's cool, I'm glad you stated your position. I wasn't on this board then, but where I was there were MANY who simply couldn't accept they were trying and were still so BAD. Of course they had no explanation as to why the team celebrated certain wins as if they were playoffs.
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