How is Stu Jackson not only that list?? That team finish with an identicial record of this team. Riley the next year took his same team to Game 7 of the Eastern Semi Finals against the Bulls, defending champs. Shaq once quoted that Stu Jackson was the worst coach he ever saw (he used to go to KNick games).
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TMS that's because you are going by your expectations. I predicted 32 wins they won 35. Most people did the same and then bashed the guy for meeting their expectations. But the fact of the matter is the man had no chance whatsoever because we made him impotent from day one. Under the circumstances Chaney was forced to coach under(being fired before he coached his first game) the job he did, the resiliency he showed was borderline amazing. Unfortunately this is the same thing we do with most of our coach's. Undermine the coach. Give the players all the power and then pit the coach against the GM and then wonder why we don't win. Same shiot that's been going on here since 1999. One day people are going to start realizing I know what I"m talking about.
The day we put the power back in the coach's hands, stop worrying about game to game wins and start worrying about truly building is the day we will get back in this thing. Until then you will see coach's underachieve and GM's make moves that are flabbermagasting. And I'll be the only friggin person on any of these sites that understands why.
[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-25-2006 01:44 AM]
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How is Stu Jackson not only that list?? That team finish with an identicial record of this team. Riley the next year took his same team to Game 7 of the Eastern Semi Finals against the Bulls, defending champs. Shaq once quoted that Stu Jackson was the worst coach he ever saw (he used to go to KNick games).
it wasn't stu jax who had the team before riley with that awful record. it was mccleod. that is why he is the worse. under stu, we made it to the second round of the playoffs beating celtics and losing 4-1 against the then defending champions pistons
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TMS that's because you are going by your expectations. I predicted 32 wins they won 35. Most people did the same and then bashed the guy for meeting their expectations. But the fact of the matter is the man had no chance whatsoever because we made him impotent from day one. Under the circumstances Chaney was forced to coach under(being fired before he coached his first game) the job he did, the resiliency he showed was borderline amazing. Unfortunately this is the same thing we do with most of our coach's. Undermine the coach. Give the players all the power and then pit the coach against the GM and then wonder why we don't win. Same shiot that's been going on here since 1999. One day people are going to start realizing I know what I"m talking about.
The day we put the power back in the coach's hands, stop worrying about game to game wins and start worrying about truly building is the day we will get back in this thing. Until then you will see coach's underachieve and GM's make moves that are flabbermagasting. And I'll be the only friggin person on any of these sites that understands why.
[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-25-2006 01:44 AM]
whether you know what you're talking about is not what we're debating here... we simply disagree... there's no right or wrong answer here... i didn't like the way Chaney allowed his players to run the asylum... yes, i said it... if he didn't allow it, who did? you're telling me that James Dolan somehow sabotaged Don Chaney by allowing the players the run of the place? Scott Layden told the players that Don Chaney wasn't going to stick around for the long haul by signing him to that extension? come on Bip... i know you're more reasonable than this... the head coach's job is to make sure he's in charge of that lockerroom... that's what LB's trying to do now... it's not easy when you have a team full of spoiled primadonna's like Steph & Francis, but at least he's trying... all i ever saw in Don Chaney was a spineless jellyfish who was in way over his head in NY... that's just how i saw it.
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Unfortunately when you hire Chaney and Wilkens and Williams in here they have no clout. The same thing went for JVG. Nothing changed. All these guys let the players run the asylum. The only difference was JVG was lucky enough to start with some vets that understood respect. But he left voluntarily when he saw the lack of clout he had. Look at his roster, what was he supposed to do with it? Win a title? He was impotent from day one. This is the first coach since Pat Riley that has any type of clout.
While fans continue to blame individuals like Chaney and Wilkens and Zeke and Layden it is becoming painfully obvious that it is not any individual. There is no savior. Noone is winning with any of these rosters. Not until this culture of finger pointing, scapegoating and individualism is eradicated from this roster. Chaney became wilkens who became Williams who became LB. The names changed but nothing else did. Each time the name changed we said we finally got rid of the other guy, now we are going to turn it around. Same with the players. What I'm saying is this thing doesn't stop until we hire a coach and have the owner, the fans, the media and the players get behind him 100%. A coach is not a miracle worker and cannot do it himself. Just see the latest installment of LB's hall of fame resume if you need further proof of what i'm saying.
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Until we become an organization that believes in a TEAM concept nothing will change. It starts by supporting the coach. If you don't you can render Phil Jackson, LB, Red Auerbach or John Wooden impotent. No coach is a miracle worker. I'm sure you remember those conversations you and I had during the Chaney days when I said no coach could change what we were. You remember some guys were saying Donald Duck was a betetr fit than Chaney. I'm starting to sound more and more prophetic everyday.
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Yeah but the I start you because you are from this city thing is a bit quirky. Don't recall Riley ever doing that. Sounds like a confident man, who thought he had a 70+ win team. You don't play those type of games when you have a 19 win team. Why ask for Francis if you aren't going to play him. Riley did do that with Campbell I must admit with on and on about getting Campbell and had problems with the guy. So who knows.
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Unfortunately when you hire Chaney and Wilkens and Williams in here they have no clout. The same thing went for JVG. Nothing changed. All these guys let the players run the asylum. The only difference was JVG was lucky enough to start with some vets that understood respect. But he left voluntarily when he saw the lack of clout he had. Look at his roster, what was he supposed to do with it? Win a title? He was impotent from day one. This is the first coach since Pat Riley that has any type of clout.
While fans continue to blame individuals like Chaney and Wilkens and Zeke and Layden it is becoming painfully obvious that it is not any individual. There is no savior. Noone is winning with any of these rosters. Not until this culture of finger pointing, scapegoating and individualism is eradicated from this roster. Chaney became wilkens who became Williams who became LB. The names changed but nothing else did. Each time the name changed we said we finally got rid of the other guy, now we are going to turn it around. Same with the players. What I'm saying is this thing doesn't stop until we hire a coach and have the owner, the fans, the media and the players get behind him 100%. A coach is not a miracle worker and cannot do it himself. Just see the latest installment of LB's hall of fame resume if you need further proof of what i'm saying.
i can't agree w/u more about JVG... if not for guys like Ewing, Oakley & later on LJ buying into the system (which was basically Pat Riley's system if you think about it), he woulda been just another guy in the long line of cloutless head coaches... the whole reason i was down on coaches like Chaney & Wilkens was because they never instilled any sense of accountability on the team... they always chose to deflect the blame away from the players instead... them coddling already spoiled primadonna's only exacerbated the problems in my view... now we finally have a head coach who's willing to challenge his players & not take any crap from the ones who've had their way on this team since they got here... i'm going to give him at least til next Allstar break before i start bashing him... i want to see him get the type of players he wants & let him get this team playing the style of basketball he wants, because i know for sure he's not going to let this team steamroll over him.
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TMS I'm with you. I think hiring Lenny and Chaney was a waste of time. Not because they stunk as coach's but because they didn't have the clout to be able to bust heads and not get fired. Marbs and Spree and the crew had more "juice" then they did. They had to cowtow to these guys because if they didn't and those guys quit, they would be on this site with you and me. LB can at least try to teach lessons without worrying about his career coming to an end. LB can start guys in their home towns to show the players that they have to earn the starting positioins and that noone has yet. Those guys would have been fired that day.
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