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Elite
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3/24/2006  9:45 AM
i like the idea of trading taylor + picks for a pick to land this kid..... im all for it
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3/24/2006  9:53 AM
Posted by Elite:

i like the idea of trading taylor + picks for a pick to land this kid..... im all for it
do we really need another young PF though? Is he going to be THAT much better than Frye or D Lee?
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3/24/2006  9:53 AM
More importantly, will LB play him!?
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3/24/2006  10:13 AM
keep Denvers picks. gift wrap Frye and Nate around Q's contract to Seattle for Wilcox and their pick if Thomas comes out and they want to make a play for him.
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3/24/2006  10:28 AM
hes a rebounder shot blocker.... we need that... he might not be better but we sure dont ned another wing player.. i rather trade MOT fo a young prospect that plays the same position that does what we need
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3/24/2006  10:29 AM
wow wilcox???????/ for frye??????? u r crazy.. wilcox iant that good
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3/24/2006  10:43 AM
Posted by Elite:

wow wilcox???????/ for frye??????? u r crazy.. wilcox iant that good

Wilcox v Frye debatable.

Wilcox & the lottery pick >>>>> Frye.
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3/24/2006  11:09 AM
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briggs, the kid needs to develop a game, good athlete but no game...... He needs college..

I'd agree. His run and jump ability is great. His heart is even better. But his game? Kinda like Trevor Ariza.


He actually has better ball-handling skills than Ariza @ 6-9. His post game is raw, but this guy reminds me of Ben Wallace. He's got a good frame, hes got greta hands and hes an explosive athlete on the D--a game changer. He won that game for them by blocking/altering tons of shots.

I am still very impresed with Sheldan Williams to. People have been down on him but not me. Hes going to be a real good player

yea, Tyrus is a much better prospect that ariza simply because he plays like a big man, a 6'9, and being the athlete he is, I would not mind having him briggs. As far as sheldon williams, I am not sold on him....
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3/24/2006  11:40 AM
Is Tyrus Thomas (OMG another TT!!!!!) a SF or a PF?
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3/24/2006  6:28 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Elite:

wow wilcox???????/ for frye??????? u r crazy.. wilcox iant that good

Wilcox v Frye debatable.

Wilcox & the lottery pick >>>>> Frye.

Please debate Wilcox versus Frye. Please. One guy has already had multiple 30 points games in his rookie year in a week while the other guy first came 2 days ago in his 4th season. Who has a whole 5 game success in his 4th year and people are like I told you so. Please debate this one.
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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by McK1:
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wow wilcox???????/ for frye??????? u r crazy.. wilcox iant that good

Wilcox v Frye debatable.

Wilcox & the lottery pick >>>>> Frye.

Please debate Wilcox versus Frye. Please. One guy has already had multiple 30 points games in his rookie year in a week while the other guy first came 2 days ago in his 4th season. Who has a whole 5 game success in his 4th year and people are like I told you so. Please debate this one.


multiple? he has 2. Delk once scored 50 in a game.

more to this game than being able to score.


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3/24/2006  6:49 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Pharzeone:
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wow wilcox???????/ for frye??????? u r crazy.. wilcox iant that good

Wilcox v Frye debatable.

Wilcox & the lottery pick >>>>> Frye.

Please debate Wilcox versus Frye. Please. One guy has already had multiple 30 points games in his rookie year in a week while the other guy first came 2 days ago in his 4th season. Who has a whole 5 game success in his 4th year and people are like I told you so. Please debate this one.


multiple? he has 2. Delk once scored 50 in a game.

more to this game than being able to score.

So why is Wilcox so great now, he has 1 in a 4 year career?? Please debate, how a guy who has been in the NBA 4 years is more promising than a rookie has outbeat in every career category under a coach who doesn't like to play rookies. If that's the case save the debate until Frye's 4th year.
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3/24/2006  6:54 PM
I'd have to agree with McK1 on this, I'd rather have Wilcox. Wilcox is exactly what a 4 is supposed to be, he scores inside and he rebounds the ball, 2 things that Frye doesn't do.
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Posted by nyk4ever:

I'd have to agree with McK1 on this, I'd rather have Wilcox. Wilcox is exactly what a 4 is supposed to be, he scores inside and he rebounds the ball, 2 things that Frye doesn't do.

since when, late in his contract year? Nice of him to finally show up to the NBA.
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3/24/2006  7:11 PM
Wilcox is a glue player in the frontcourt. He knows how to cut, he knows how to screen, he knows how to create passing and driving angles for guards. He knows how to run a break and get to the front of the rim in transition - the little things that AD did in Chi that made Curry and those guards a better executing group last season.

With Curry at 5, Frye becomes redundant. Don't need a guy who can only impact the game through shot attempts next to a guy who can only impact the game through shot attempts.

on the other side of the ball:

Wilcox defensive rebounds from one side of the rim to the other. Frye gets the ones that fall to him.

Wilcox can guard the 4 and 5. Frye can't guard anything.

And as for raw stats, check out Wilcox' numbers anytime Brand or Kaman was out and he got the start at pf or center.

continuing the stat rant: Wilcox last 2 games for Seattle 16 & 19, 30 & 14. Frye's career high in boards is what? Frye has how many double-doubles? any back to back?
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3/24/2006  11:16 PM
MCK1: what is it with you man? first you hype smuch parker, then brayn cooke, then ridnour who is losing time to earl watson, and now wilcox? listen wilcox has been in the league 4 years now I think, all of these things you say he does, he has never done them before. He is playing hard for a contract, but that is OK, I watched a lot of him with the clippers and I know the last game vs the clippers this year, frye was manhandling wilcox to the point where he had sam casell screaming at him off the bench....

Listening to you talk abour wilcox and ridnour, you would think you had the next stockton and malone.... geez...

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3/24/2006  11:18 PM
Posted by tkf:



Listening to you talk abour wilcox and ridnour, you would think you had the next stockton and malone.... geez...

no you wouldn't and Wlcox has the rest of this year and next before he is out of a contract. Perhaps he is one of those guys as various points in his career has shown who plays better as a starter than off the bench

[Edited by - McK1 on 03-24-2006 11:22 PM]
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Posted by McK1:

Wilcox is a glue player in the frontcourt. He knows how to cut, he knows how to screen, he knows how to create passing and driving angles for guards. He knows how to run a break and get to the front of the rim in transition - the little things that AD did in Chi that made Curry and those guards a better executing group last season.

With Curry at 5, Frye becomes redundant. Don't need a guy who can only impact the game through shot attempts next to a guy who can only impact the game through shot attempts.

on the other side of the ball:

Wilcox defensive rebounds from one side of the rim to the other. Frye gets the ones that fall to him.

Wilcox can guard the 4 and 5. Frye can't guard anything.

And as for raw stats, check out Wilcox' numbers anytime Brand or Kaman was out and he got the start at pf or center.

continuing the stat rant: Wilcox last 2 games for Seattle 16 & 19, 30 & 14. Frye's career high in boards is what? Frye has how many double-doubles? any back to back?

in his short 4 month career, frye's rebound high is 14.... in 4 years, frye will be better than wilcox by far..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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3/25/2006  1:59 AM
see you skipped the other questions concerning Frye's board work. As for the better by far comment, to me its not so clear cut. Wilcox may never score as much as Frye, but Chris IMO has more court presence AND you don't have to forcefeed paint play to him.
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3/25/2006  7:48 AM
Ahm, why not look up stats before sayin Wilcos can rebound.
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