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BRIGGS
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3/22/2006  10:58 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Boozer is way better than both of those guys. He's a dominating rebounder[top 3 in the league when healthy] and scores 20 points at will. He doesnt block shots but he isnt exactly a chump on the D at 6-9 260


more over the top description of a player you like... the guy's never averaged more than 18 pts. in a single season, yet you rave abot him as if he were a quintessential 20/10 guy after a short stretch of some good games & put down players like Al Harrington, who's shown a steady progression & improvement every year he's been in the league & is right on the cusp of being a legit 20ppg player... i simply don't understand the logic that guides your estimations of some of these players... you seem to randomly get on the jock of 1 guy & on the case of another.



When Boozer is healthy he is a dominating presence, physically imposing. His biggest problem has been staying healthy, BUT the good thing is he never suffered an injury like Harrington or Martin. His have been of the odd variety. But when this guy is 100%, you are looking at a tier 1 NBA all star PF. Some of those yearly numbers are misleading--if you go through game logs--you can see how good this guy is and can be. I mean hes 24 years old
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3/22/2006  12:00 PM
i am not disputing that Boozer is a talented PF, but you can go through game logs of Eddy Curry & see that he can be a dominating player too... in the end a true measure of a player's worth is how he performs over the long haul... i just don't see the differentiation that sets him apart in your eyes from Harrington, but hey, it's your opinion i guess... just trying to understand ur logic, that's all.
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3/22/2006  12:41 PM
Odom.
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3/22/2006  12:42 PM
If Curry and Frye become our starting big men, then it would be nice to have a good rebounder at SF, which Odom is.
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3/22/2006  1:00 PM
Francis + D Lee for Odom...?
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3/22/2006  1:16 PM
I think the main difference in comparing Curry/Boozer on the court is pacing. Curry goes through insane phases where he might score 10 points over a 5 minute span... then be more or less transparent for the rest of the game.

Boozer is less physically talented without a doubt, but I always got the feeling that his presence was felt throughout the game. Even if he wasn't putting up stats, he was providing a physical presence on D and was a player that needed to be boxed out.

He's a smarter and more complete player than Curry... and he's got the winning pedigree from his years @ Duke...

In terms of upside, a guy like Curry has the potential to be like Shaq... but I don't think he's got the mental toughness and the mental aptitude to achieve the prerequisite 20ppg/10rpg/1.5bpg numbers for an all-star big man.
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3/22/2006  1:23 PM
odom by far. we dont need a max salary pf like boozer or martin here. sign reggie evans and let channing play.
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3/22/2006  1:29 PM
Posted by NYKPHINS:

odom by far. we dont need a max salary pf like boozer or martin here. sign reggie evans and let channing play.

we don't need ANY max player. but how will we get reggie? only way we can get players are via the MLE or by trading our rooks or expiring deals. we have a better chance of getting boozer or martin b/c of the sheer size of their deals. to get reggie evans, who will ask for MORE than the MLE, we have no way of getting him unless we SEVERELY overpay him to make the s&t work.
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3/22/2006  1:41 PM
Odom's a 6'10 Marbury with less passion. Win or Lose Odom is ok with himself. K-Mart has been proven to be a product of his surroundings. Kidd did wonders for him. He had the same injuries in NJ when Marbury was there his first year. I take Boozer but he isn't worth the money, all you are getting is a better version of Kurt Thomas that makes alot more dough. The Karl Malone PF types are starting to thin out in this league. KG/Bosh clones are norm, Boozer would be my choice as a classic throw back. But I wouldn't give up Frye for him, I would want to keep him and Curry. Put those three as 4/5s now you talking. Wait on Butler too, he has a good shot of filling into that type of Boozer role.
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3/22/2006  1:43 PM
http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/utah.htm

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm

Odom and Booozer make the same amount. Boozers contract runs a year longer (player option on the last year).
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3/22/2006  1:58 PM
I have a weird feeling that Isiah will make a huge play for Jermaine O'neal - as in, like, offering Frye and DLee and Nate. For the record, I think it's a bad move.

I think Kmart is a backup plan. I don't think we have anything the Lakers want for Odom and I don't think Boozer is someone who Zeke or Brown will target.
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3/22/2006  2:19 PM
IMO LB would love Boozer
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3/22/2006  2:21 PM
i thought i read somewhere that lb is a huge fan of odom and boozer - that's why they got the pt in the olympics.

boozer would be a very good addition for us. odom is good also but in a different way. we need a boozer presence more than another ball facillitator.
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3/22/2006  2:26 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

I have a weird feeling that Isiah will make a huge play for Jermaine O'neal - as in, like, offering Frye and DLee and Nate. For the record, I think it's a bad move.

I think Kmart is a backup plan. I don't think we have anything the Lakers want for Odom and I don't think Boozer is someone who Zeke or Brown will target.

Brown has final approval on personel decisions. So it is up to him. Remember he pulled a "hard juice card" Yeah I don't see Odom as a Larry guy either, to me he would be worst than Marbury here in NY. And he couldn't handle the press that well either. Boozer is a guy that the knicks would look to acquire but it will cost them Frye, a guy that Sloan wanted anyway. No matter what though I think the Lakers and Knicks will be talking alot this off season. The Knicks have at least two players the Lakers really want, Francis and Frye.
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3/22/2006  4:34 PM
Brown has final approval on personel decisions. So it is up to him. Remember he pulled a "hard juice card" Yeah I don't see Odom as a Larry guy either, to me he would be worst than Marbury here in NY. And he couldn't handle the press that well either. Boozer is a guy that the knicks would look to acquire but it will cost them Frye, a guy that Sloan wanted anyway. No matter what though I think the Lakers and Knicks will be talking alot this off season. The Knicks have at least two players the Lakers really want, Francis and Frye.


Brown loves odom. at the olympics he played him a lot and gave him a lot of credit after the games. he is a team first guy, which we need, and he is a solid defender. he is also a great rebounding sf. i wouldnt mind boozer, im a duke fan so ive liked him for a long time. i want no part of K-mart, injury prone already, with KNEE PROBLEMS (sound familier) and a long-term max deal, no thanx.
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3/22/2006  5:08 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i thought i read somewhere that lb is a huge fan of odom and boozer - that's why they got the pt in the olympics.

boozer would be a very good addition for us. odom is good also but in a different way. we need a boozer presence more than another ball facillitator.


I thought you guys were screaming that we need more role players and not more guys who need the ball.

Odom is a star-role player. He can play 3-4 positions easy. He automatically becomes our best rebounder and our second best if not best passer. He is exactly what this team needs. And Brown called him one of the most underated players in the league.
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3/22/2006  5:33 PM
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Posted by djsunyc:

i thought i read somewhere that lb is a huge fan of odom and boozer - that's why they got the pt in the olympics.

boozer would be a very good addition for us. odom is good also but in a different way. we need a boozer presence more than another ball facillitator.


I thought you guys were screaming that we need more role players and not more guys who need the ball.

Odom is a star-role player. He can play 3-4 positions easy. He automatically becomes our best rebounder and our second best if not best passer. He is exactly what this team needs. And Brown called him one of the most underated players in the league.

Have you watch the Lakers this season? Now we have all-star role players when did Lamar Odom now become a role player? He gets paid like a nicely paid player. Brown also thought AD was the captain of defense on the Knicks team, as guys blew by the guy every nite. At this point trade Francis (another guy that Brown said he coverted) to LA to get Odom, they can't wait to get rid of Odom and Brown doesn't want to play Francis. But if you think you are replacing heartless guys with a passionate guy you guys are fooling yourself.
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3/22/2006  8:46 PM
Posted by Caseloads:

Odom is a SF/PF

K-Mart/ Booz are PFs.

Hmm... tough call for me. I think Booz over K-Mart due to K-mart's recurring Knee injuries, which are only going to deteriorate. Booz's are muscle related, which can and should heal well.

Odom though seems to click with Brown and even though he'd be at the SF spot more, he's exactly the SF we should be trying to get. I'd trade D-Lee and Jalen for Odom...

i would do franchise for odom straight up

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3/22/2006  8:49 PM
franchise + kobe...breakfast of champions.

it would have to be some sort of 4 team deal:

francis to denver
andre miller to utah
boozer to la la
odom to nyc
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3/22/2006  9:22 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

franchise + kobe...breakfast of champions.

it would have to be some sort of 4 team deal:

francis to denver
andre miller to utah
boozer to la la
odom to nyc

If I ran Denver, I'd much rather have a stable veteran who's a good distrubor like Andre Miller than Steve Francis. Miller's a better shooter, passer, and defender.


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03-22-2006 9:22 PM]
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